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  1. What are your best fish recipes?

    I am very boring with fish. I either pan fry salmon skin side down and
    have it rare with a soy& wasabi dressing or steam fish and serve
    Chinese style with ginger and green onion, soy, bit of chilli.
    Sometimes crumb it. Mostly just don't eat it because I down't knwo what
    to do with it.

    And can anyone give me a straight answer about what fish to eat/not
    eat? Farmed fish/ wild fish/ big fish/ bottom feeders...I just don't
    understand how I am supposed to increase my intake of fish without
    wrecking the environment or poisioning myself. Is it just down to
    sardines and mackerel?

    tinny

  2. "Drongo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    What are your best fish recipes?

    I am very boring with fish. I either pan fry salmon skin side down and
    have it rare with a soy& wasabi dressing or steam fish and serve
    Chinese style with ginger and green onion, soy, bit of chilli.
    Sometimes crumb it. Mostly just don't eat it because I down't knwo what
    to do with it.

    And can anyone give me a straight answer about what fish to eat/not
    eat? Farmed fish/ wild fish/ big fish/ bottom feeders...I just don't
    understand how I am supposed to increase my intake of fish without
    wrecking the environment or poisioning myself. Is it just down to
    sardines and mackerel?

    tinny

    Nobody can give you a straight answer about fish in general, except that
    bigger fish contain more [censored] than smaller ones because they've lived
    longer. Tuna are especially nasty - lots of mercury.

    Here's a recipe that's been a hit with everyone I've ever made it for:

    Fish in Crazy Water

    PESCE ALL'ACQUA PAZZA

    Recipe from "Marcella Cucina" by Marcella Hazan

    1 1/2 pounds fresh, ripe tomatoes

    4 cups of water

    3 large garlic cloves, peeled and sliced very thin

    2 tablespoons very finely chopped parsley

    Chopped red chili pepper, 1/8 teaspoon or to taste, or dried red pepper
    flakes

    1/4 cup extra virgin olive oil

    Salt

    A 1 1/2- to 2-pound red snapper, filleted with its skin left on

    Optional: 4 slices of

    day-old or grilled sourdough bread

    For 4 persons

    One of the most frequently recurring conversational expressions in the
    dialect of my native Romagna is anicreid, "I don't believe it." That
    skepticism is a characteristic I share with people of my region. When a dish
    has a fanciful name, I resist trying it, feeling that it has been dressed up
    to cover up a lack of substance. Had it been up to me, I never would have
    sampled that Neapolitan creation, fish in crazy water. "What's crazy water
    go to do with cooking and anyway, who wants to eat fish in water?" Such were
    my thoughts, until my friend from Amalfi, Pierino Jovine, one day simply
    brought the dish to the table without asking or telling. Now, I am the one
    who goes crazy over it. Water is what brings together all the seasoning
    ingredients, the tomatoes, garlic, parsley, chili pepper, salt, and olive
    oil. They simmer in it for a full 45 minutes, exchanging and compounding
    their flavors, producing a substance that is denser than a broth, looser,
    more vivacious, and fresher in taste than any sauce, in which you then cook
    the fish.

    1.Peel the tomatoes raw using a swiveling-blade vegetable peeler, and chop
    them roughly with all their juice and seeds. The yield should be about 2
    cups.

    2.Choose a saute pan in which the fish fillets can be subsequently fit
    flat without overlapping. Put in the water, garlic, chopped tomatoes,
    parsley, chili pepper, olive oil, and salt. Cover the pan, turn the heat to
    medium, for 45 minutes.

    3.Uncover the pan, turn up the heat, and boil the liquid until it has been
    reduced to half its original volume.

    4.Add the fish, skin facing up. Cook for 2 minutes, then gently turn it
    over, using two spatulas. Add a little more salt and cook for another 12
    minutes or so. Serve promptly over the optional bread slice.

  3. "Drongo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    What are your best fish recipes?

    I am very boring with fish. I either pan fry salmon skin side down and
    have it rare with a soy& wasabi dressing or steam fish and serve
    Chinese style with ginger and green onion, soy, bit of chilli.
    Sometimes crumb it. Mostly just don't eat it because I down't knwo what
    to do with it.

    And can anyone give me a straight answer about what fish to eat/not
    eat? Farmed fish/ wild fish/ big fish/ bottom feeders...I just don't
    understand how I am supposed to increase my intake of fish without
    wrecking the environment or poisioning myself. Is it just down to
    sardines and mackerel?

    tinny

    For cooking, I highly recommend the "pouch" method. You put an individual
    serving sized fillet in a parchment paper pouch along with some butter or
    olive oil, spices, and julienned vegetables (I use two or more of carrots,
    onion, scallions, fennel, zucchini, and chopped tomatoes). Seal up and bake
    til done. Tender, tasty, easy.

    As to which fish, there is no straight answer. If yu are worried about
    toxins then stay away from large, long-lived predatory fish such as
    swordfish. For farmed fish, there's no universal answer. I know that Whole
    Foods claims to regulate the rpocedures of their suppliers and test the fish
    to ensure it is OK.

    Some favorites of mine: snapper, grouper, redfish (although you usually have
    to catch your own), sea (speckled) trout, flounder, halibut, cod.

    --
    Peter Aitken
    Visit my recipe and kitchen myths page at www.pgacon.com/cooking.htm

  4. One of my current favorites is to take flounder fliets and stuff the
    with a mixture of sauteed onions, garlic, spinach, and feta cheese,
    sometimes mushrooms too, or a few kalamata olives, a little lemon
    juice, and some oregano. Roll the filets over the filling, toothpick if
    necessary, bruch with olive oil, and bake for about 10 minutes until
    they are flakey and the stuffing is warmed. Squeeze lemon juice over
    them.

    Salmon, I like to marinate. I use soy sauce with honey and a little OJ
    and pineapple juice, or soy sauce mixed with worcestershire sauce,
    chili sauce (the kind that's like ketchup), garlic, and brown sugar. It
    gets sweet and carmelizes the fish. Then I broil it for 5 minutes or
    so.

  5. One of the biggest mistakes people make with fish is they only consider what
    is commercially popular, and are either misinformed about, or discount
    anything else due to unawareness. I'd bet it would surprise some people to
    hear that Salmon is not the only edible freshwater fish.

    If you are bored it could mean you need to look for variety. If you know
    anyone who fishes locally it might be an education to ask them what they
    catch and how they prepare and eat it.

    I live on a northern lake where I catch walleye, white perch, northern pike,
    whitefish, tulabee, burbot, crappie (pronounced "croppy"😉, and smallmouth
    bass. On nearby lakes and rivers there are speckled trout, lake trout,
    sunfish, bluegills, several kinds of catfish, carp, sturgeon, orange ruffy,
    large-mouth bass, suckers, and more. on less landlocked waters there are
    eels, herring, and many other types of fish.

    There are lots of edible salt-water species that are not commercial as well.

    Each of the above is not only edible, but when prepared right, esp. when
    using locally- favorite recipes, might replace some of those boring old
    favorites you have become tired of.

    Most locals know that itis best to avoid the oldest and largest of the
    species for two reasons: The older and larger the more toxins they have
    ingested; and also the tougher the meat and less pleasant the flavor (mostly
    due to age, not toxins).

    Those huge bass "hawgs" you see on the fishing shows would be tough, dry,
    and have a strong iodine-like taste --but take one that is 6-8", scale it
    and filet it, fry it in butter until the skin gets a little crisp and serve
    it with eggs-over-easy, slow-fried potatoes and onions --an unbelievable
    breakfast, esp. when camping. And there is not a more delicate white-flaked
    fish in the world than walleye --. you might be amazed at the gourmet
    treatment walleye and northern pike get in the best restaurants in
    Minneapolis.

    So ask any fisherman and /or go to one of the many fresh-water fishing
    websites for recipes. Better yet, go fishing and catch your own dinner (The
    Zen of...)

    Lefty
    --
    Life is for learning

    "Drongo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    What are your best fish recipes?

    I am very boring with fish. I either pan fry salmon skin side down and
    have it rare with a soy& wasabi dressing or steam fish and serve
    Chinese style with ginger and green onion, soy, bit of chilli.
    Sometimes crumb it. Mostly just don't eat it because I down't knwo what
    to do with it.

    And can anyone give me a straight answer about what fish to eat/not
    eat? Farmed fish/ wild fish/ big fish/ bottom feeders...I just don't
    understand how I am supposed to increase my intake of fish without
    wrecking the environment or poisioning myself. Is it just down to
    sardines and mackerel?

    tinny

  6. Drongo said:

    What are your best fish recipes?

    I am very boring with fish. I either pan fry salmon skin side down and
    have it rare with a soy& wasabi dressing or steam fish and serve
    Chinese style with ginger and green onion, soy, bit of chilli.
    Sometimes crumb it. Mostly just don't eat it because I down't knwo
    what to do with it.

    And can anyone give me a straight answer about what fish to eat/not
    eat? Farmed fish/ wild fish/ big fish/ bottom feeders...I just don't
    understand how I am supposed to increase my intake of fish without
    wrecking the environment or poisioning myself. Is it just down to
    sardines and mackerel?

    tinny

    First of all, stop listening to the sellers and listen to your taste buds.
    You don't like it the Japanese style so stop doing that.

    Yes, there are ecological issues but you can't solve them by posting here.

    What fish do you like? I happen to enjoy tilapia. I also like (farm
    raised) catfish. Flounder is nice but rather pricy. Sole is a delicate
    fish and I only use that for Sole piccata (fish with lemon wine sauce and
    capers).

    I've tried to like salmon but frankly, the only way I like it is to be used
    in cakes/burgers. It got so much overplay on restaurant menus I found it
    necessary to eat it but I really don't like it. As I said, it's good in
    fish cakes.

    Take whatever fish you like and prepare an egg wash. That's a lightly
    beaten egg and some milk or water. Dredge a fish fillet in this. Next,
    dredge it in a dry mixture. Could be cornmeal combined with flour; could be
    cornflake crumbs; could be Japanese Panko crumbs. Coat it well. Now, you
    may bake it in a lightly oiled pan (rather high heat), grill it (I use grill
    foil sheets) or pan fry it in a little oil. If you pan fry, turn it before
    it gets too well done, otherwise the fish will break apart. Not a problem
    if you don't care about presentation, which I don't.

    Jill

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    Take whatever fish you like and prepare an egg wash. That's a lightly
    beaten egg and some milk or water. Dredge a fish fillet in this. Next,
    dredge it in a dry mixture. Could be cornmeal combined with flour; could
    be
    cornflake crumbs; could be Japanese Panko crumbs.

    My son has requested tilapia breaded in Lay's potato chip crumbs. He doesn't
    get in the way of my crazy ideas, so I'm obliged to try this. I'll let you
    know.

  8. Doug Kanter said:

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    Quoted message said:

    Take whatever fish you like and prepare an egg wash. That's a
    lightly beaten egg and some milk or water. Dredge a fish fillet in
    this. Next, dredge it in a dry mixture. Could be cornmeal
    combined with flour; could be
    cornflake crumbs; could be Japanese Panko crumbs.

    My son has requested tilapia breaded in Lay's potato chip crumbs. He
    doesn't get in the way of my crazy ideas, so I'm obliged to try this.
    I'll let you know.

    Please do! I put potato chips on my hamburgers. Nuts, I know.

    Jill

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    Doug Kanter said:

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    Take whatever fish you like and prepare an egg wash. That's a
    lightly beaten egg and some milk or water. Dredge a fish fillet in
    this. Next, dredge it in a dry mixture. Could be cornmeal
    combined with flour; could be
    cornflake crumbs; could be Japanese Panko crumbs.

    My son has requested tilapia breaded in Lay's potato chip crumbs. He
    doesn't get in the way of my crazy ideas, so I'm obliged to try this.
    I'll let you know.

    Please do! I put potato chips on my hamburgers. Nuts, I know.

    Jill

    Not nuts at all. Thousands of years ago, when potato chips were very
    expensive, they were reserved only for royalty. You are partaking in a treat
    that was once enjoyed by Cleopatra.

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    > Take whatever fish you like and prepare an egg wash. That's a
    > lightly beaten egg and some milk or water. Dredge a fish fillet in
    > this. Next, dredge it in a dry mixture. Could be cornmeal
    > combined with flour; could be
    > cornflake crumbs; could be Japanese Panko crumbs.

    My son has requested tilapia breaded in Lay's potato chip crumbs. He
    doesn't get in the way of my crazy ideas, so I'm obliged to try this.
    I'll let you know.

    Please do! I put potato chips on my hamburgers. Nuts, I know.

    Jill

    Not nuts at all. Thousands of years ago, when potato chips were very
    expensive, they were reserved only for royalty. You are partaking in a
    treat that was once enjoyed by Cleopatra.

    Impoted to Egypt all the way from South America, too!

    --
    Peter Aitken

  11. Drongo said:


    And can anyone give me a straight answer about what fish to eat/not
    eat? Farmed fish/ wild fish/ big fish/ bottom feeders...I just don't
    understand how I am supposed to increase my intake of fish without
    wrecking the environment or poisioning myself. Is it just down to
    sardines and mackerel?

    I don't know a thing about fish issues, but I do know which fish I
    enjoy. I'm a mild fish person. I like walleye, catfish, tilapia,
    perch, whatever fish sticks are made of (we don't eat fish sticks - I
    just can't remember what the fish is called) and cod. We fry fish in
    Dixie style Shore Lunch fish breading. Another culinary sin that we
    indulge in is Kraft Lemon Flavor and Herb tartar sauce.

    For grilling, I love halibut and mahi-mahi. I've also grilled some of
    the softer fish, but they tend to fall apart when they're cooked that
    way..

    I'll only eat salmon if it's hot smoked. I hate salmon otherwise.

    Peace.
    Carol

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    Doug Kanter wrote:
    > "jmcquown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    >> Take whatever fish you like and prepare an egg wash. That's a
    >> lightly beaten egg and some milk or water. Dredge a fish fillet in
    >> this. Next, dredge it in a dry mixture. Could be cornmeal
    >> combined with flour; could be
    >> cornflake crumbs; could be Japanese Panko crumbs.
    >
    > My son has requested tilapia breaded in Lay's potato chip crumbs. He
    > doesn't get in the way of my crazy ideas, so I'm obliged to try this.
    > I'll let you know.

    Please do! I put potato chips on my hamburgers. Nuts, I know.

    Jill

    Not nuts at all. Thousands of years ago, when potato chips were very
    expensive, they were reserved only for royalty. You are partaking in a
    treat that was once enjoyed by Cleopatra.

    Impoted to Egypt all the way from South America, too!
    --
    Peter Aitken

    That's why they were so rare. You've obviously done your research, Peter.
    This also explains why Egyptians revered their cats. The cats kept rodents
    away from the royal potato chip stash.

  13. Doug Kanter wrote on 14 Mar 2006 in rec.food.cooking

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    "jmcquown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Doug Kanter said:

    "jmcquown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    > Take whatever fish you like and prepare an egg wash. That's a
    > lightly beaten egg and some milk or water. Dredge a fish fillet
    > in this. Next, dredge it in a dry mixture. Could be cornmeal
    > combined with flour; could be
    > cornflake crumbs; could be Japanese Panko crumbs.

    My son has requested tilapia breaded in Lay's potato chip crumbs.
    He doesn't get in the way of my crazy ideas, so I'm obliged to try
    this. I'll let you know.

    Please do! I put potato chips on my hamburgers. Nuts, I know.

    Jill

    Not nuts at all. Thousands of years ago, when potato chips were very
    expensive, they were reserved only for royalty. You are partaking in a
    treat that was once enjoyed by Cleopatra.

    UUUM...The potato is a New World Food (from Peru I believe)...Not even
    known till well after 1492 AD never mind imported/grown ...Cleo died in
    the BCs. And taters never took hold in the old world till well after
    1550. So your wrong by at least 1500-2000 yrs.

    --
    -Alan

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    Doug Kanter wrote on 14 Mar 2006 in rec.food.cooking

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    "jmcquown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Doug Kanter wrote:
    > "jmcquown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    >> Take whatever fish you like and prepare an egg wash. That's a
    >> lightly beaten egg and some milk or water. Dredge a fish fillet
    >> in this. Next, dredge it in a dry mixture. Could be cornmeal
    >> combined with flour; could be
    >> cornflake crumbs; could be Japanese Panko crumbs.
    >
    > My son has requested tilapia breaded in Lay's potato chip crumbs.
    > He doesn't get in the way of my crazy ideas, so I'm obliged to try
    > this. I'll let you know.

    Please do! I put potato chips on my hamburgers. Nuts, I know.

    Jill

    Not nuts at all. Thousands of years ago, when potato chips were very
    expensive, they were reserved only for royalty. You are partaking in a
    treat that was once enjoyed by Cleopatra.

    UUUM...The potato is a New World Food (from Peru I believe)...Not even
    known till well after 1492 AD never mind imported/grown ...Cleo died in
    the BCs. And taters never took hold in the old world till well after
    1550. So your wrong by at least 1500-2000 yrs.

    --
    -Alan

    Quiet, Alan. I was waiting to see if Jill would take the bait. Now you've
    ruined it.

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    Drongo said:


    And can anyone give me a straight answer about what fish to eat/not
    eat? Farmed fish/ wild fish/ big fish/ bottom feeders...I just don't
    understand how I am supposed to increase my intake of fish without
    wrecking the environment or poisioning myself. Is it just down to
    sardines and mackerel?

    I don't know a thing about fish issues...

    No newspapers or real radio news out your way????

  16. Doug Kanter said:


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    I don't know a thing about fish issues...

    No newspapers or real radio news out your way????

    Nope. I'm one of the very few literate people in southern Minnesota,
    so there is very little information about state, national, world, or
    aquatic issues available to me. But I'm reading this thread and
    learning, so I'll do better next time. I promise. ;o)

    Peace,
    Carol

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    Doug Kanter said:


    "Damsel in dis Dress" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    I don't know a thing about fish issues...

    No newspapers or real radio news out your way????

    Nope. I'm one of the very few literate people in southern Minnesota,
    so there is very little information about state, national, world, or
    aquatic issues available to me. But I'm reading this thread and
    learning, so I'll do better next time. I promise. ;o)

    Peace,
    Carol

    It's Minnesota. You *MUST* have access to National Public Radio. I think
    it's the law out there.

  18. Doug Kanter said:


    It's Minnesota. You *MUST* have access to National Public Radio. I think
    it's the law out there.

    It should be. I wish it had a stronger signal. I live only 15 miles from the
    border and about 30 miles from a US city with a NRP station. I used to listen
    to it a lot in the car when I was at work, but I am on the fringe for
    reception at home. They have some pretty good programming. It is not as good
    as CBC in some ways, but better in others. At least when they are doing an
    interview with a moderately interesting person who has escaped fame and
    fortune because no one really cares that much about some woman who live son
    her own up north and knits her own sweaters with her dog's hair that it is
    worthy of a 5-10 minute segment and not 2 hours. But they make up for that
    when they spend an hour or two on some municipal political issue in a city or
    town hundreds of miles away.

    I was listening to NPR one night when they were interviewing some old lady
    from Appalachia and she was telling how to make her famous pie dough. The
    way she explained it was that you had to take some flour and add some salt
    depending on the amount of flour. Then you cut in the right amount of
    shortening, which depended up the the of shortening, and then the right
    amount of water. She wouldn't give measurements because it depended on how
    big a pie or how many pies. and a person should be able to figure it out to
    get the right texture.

  19. Doug Kanter said:

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    "jmcquown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    > Doug Kanter wrote:
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    >>> Take whatever fish you like and prepare an egg wash. That's a
    >>> lightly beaten egg and some milk or water. Dredge a fish fillet
    >>> in this. Next, dredge it in a dry mixture. Could be cornmeal
    >>> combined with flour; could be
    >>> cornflake crumbs; could be Japanese Panko crumbs.
    >>
    >> My son has requested tilapia breaded in Lay's potato chip crumbs.
    >> He doesn't get in the way of my crazy ideas, so I'm obliged to
    >> try this. I'll let you know.
    >
    > Please do! I put potato chips on my hamburgers. Nuts, I know.
    >
    > Jill
    >
    >

    Not nuts at all. Thousands of years ago, when potato chips were very
    expensive, they were reserved only for royalty. You are partaking
    in a treat that was once enjoyed by Cleopatra.

    Impoted to Egypt all the way from South America, too!
    --
    Peter Aitken

    That's why they were so rare. You've obviously done your research,
    Peter. This also explains why Egyptians revered their cats. The cats
    kept rodents away from the royal potato chip stash.

    Except, my cat loves potato chips! LOL

  20. Mr Libido Incognito said:

    Doug Kanter wrote on 14 Mar 2006 in rec.food.cooking

    Quoted message said:


    "jmcquown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Doug Kanter wrote:
    > "jmcquown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    >
    >> Take whatever fish you like and prepare an egg wash. That's a
    >> lightly beaten egg and some milk or water. Dredge a fish fillet
    >> in this. Next, dredge it in a dry mixture. Could be cornmeal
    >> combined with flour; could be
    >> cornflake crumbs; could be Japanese Panko crumbs.
    >
    > My son has requested tilapia breaded in Lay's potato chip crumbs.
    > He doesn't get in the way of my crazy ideas, so I'm obliged to try
    > this. I'll let you know.

    Please do! I put potato chips on my hamburgers. Nuts, I know.

    Jill

    Not nuts at all. Thousands of years ago, when potato chips were very
    expensive, they were reserved only for royalty. You are partaking in
    a treat that was once enjoyed by Cleopatra.

    UUUM...The potato is a New World Food (from Peru I believe)...Not even
    known till well after 1492 AD never mind imported/grown ...Cleo died
    in the BCs. And taters never took hold in the old world till well
    after 1550. So your wrong by at least 1500-2000 yrs.

    Dammit! You're supposed to want me to wear Cleopatra gold and funky blue
    and gold attire! All this over potato chips, dang.

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