Boycott of Canadian seafood

In article <[email hidden]>,

Gabby said:

Are you guys hearing much about this boycott organized by the United States'
Humane Society to try to force the closure of the seal hunt?

Gabby

It's never going to happen...
and should not be supported.

I don't mean to sound harsh or cruel, but controlled hunting with bag
limits is often beneficial to the overall population, and the
environment. There are no longer enough natural predators to keep them
in check.

They did stop hunting the Harp seals for awhile, but then the seals
started to over-populate and there were some serious problems with them.

http://www.releases.gov.nl.ca/releases/1999/fishaq/0105n03.htm

I hate those hunts too, (those big eyed, fluffy white babies are SO
adorable!) but it seems that they are a necessary thing. :-(

Just like deer hunting in our area. The Texas white tails breed like
goats, and many of the does have twins.

http://espn.go.com/outdoors/conservation/s/c_fea_deer_NY_overpopulations-
woes_wire.html
--
Peace, Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

In article <[email hidden]>,

Gabby said:

Are you guys hearing much about this boycott organized by the United States'
Humane Society to try to force the closure of the seal hunt?

I have not heard anything about such a boycott until I saw your posting.

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Gabby said:

Are you guys hearing much about this boycott organized by the United States'
Humane Society to try to force the closure of the seal hunt?

Gabby

Quoted message said:

Just like deer hunting in our area. The Texas white tails breed like
goats, and many of the does have twins.

AND triplets.. there are six standing in my front yard right now..not
kidding. They multiply more like rats than goats. You can't run them
things off. If they keep surviving here they are gonning to be the
size of rabbits. They are everywhere..dents in car to prove it.

We like 'em in a good pot of chili.

In article <[email hidden]>,

jay said:

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Gabby said:

Are you guys hearing much about this boycott organized by the United
States'
Humane Society to try to force the closure of the seal hunt?

Gabby

Quoted message said:

Just like deer hunting in our area. The Texas white tails breed like
goats, and many of the does have twins.

AND triplets.. there are six standing in my front yard right now..not
kidding. They multiply more like rats than goats. You can't run them
things off. If they keep surviving here they are gonning to be the
size of rabbits. They are everywhere..dents in car to prove it.

We like 'em in a good pot of chili.

<snork> I've hit three of the damned things in the past 15 years.
Expensive venison with the deductable. <sigh>

There is a small herd that grazes right across the street from me, and
they are finally starting to become a problem with the bulb garden in
the driveway. Fortunately they are not interested in Cannas, and the
roses are fenced.

The dogs keep them from being interested in jumping over the fence. A 6'
fence is nothing to a white tail.

The last time I had venison, I made tacos........

I'm within city limits and you cannot discharge firearms, so harvesting
them is out. The city deer are getting denser in population as a result.

They grow fat on those well watered lawns in town,

and they steal grain from the bird feeders. <G>

I have a neighbor a couple of houses down; more than once I've seen deer
in his yard raiding his bird feeders. His fence is only 3'.
--
Peace, Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

I have a neighbor a couple of houses down; more than once I've seen deer
in his yard raiding his bird feeders. His fence is only 3'.

What kinda fence is that... that's not a fence, that's a decorative
border.

In article <[email hidden]>,

Sheldon said:

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

I have a neighbor a couple of houses down; more than once I've seen deer
in his yard raiding his bird feeders. His fence is only 3'.

What kinda fence is that... that's not a fence, that's a decorative
border.

Exactly... ;-)

But, it keeps his itty bitty dog from running loose.
--
Peace, Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

"OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Gabby said:

Are you guys hearing much about this boycott organized by the United
States'
Humane Society to try to force the closure of the seal hunt?

Quoted message said:

It's never going to happen...
and should not be supported.

On that we agree.

Quoted message said:

I don't mean to sound harsh or cruel, but controlled hunting with bag
limits is often beneficial to the overall population, and the
environment. There are no longer enough natural predators to keep them
in check.

They did stop hunting the Harp seals for awhile, but then the seals
started to over-populate and there were some serious problems with them.

http://www.releases.gov.nl.ca/releases/1999/fishaq/0105n03.htm

I hate those hunts too, (those big eyed, fluffy white babies are SO
adorable!) but it seems that they are a necessary thing. :-(

Actually, the commercial hunt of whitecoats was banned in Canada in 1987.
And the legal hunt is supposed to be done with guns. That makes it no
crueler than any other hunt and also no crueler than the average slaughter
house but I don't hear the Humane Society screaming to have beef & chicken
boycotted.

I was just wondering about the boycott, because the commercials we hear out
here make it sound as though this boycott is a great success -- that our
sale of seafood has dropped by more than twice what the seal hunt brings in.

Gabby

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

jay said:

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

In article <[email hidden]>,
"Gabby" <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Just like deer hunting in our area. The Texas white tails breed like
goats, and many of the does have twins.

AND triplets.. there are six standing in my front yard right now..not
kidding. They multiply more like rats than goats. You can't run them
things off. If they keep surviving here they are gonning to be the
size of rabbits. They are everywhere..dents in car to prove it.

We like 'em in a good pot of chili.

<snork> I've hit three of the damned things in the past 15 years.
Expensive venison with the deductable. <sigh>

Quoted message said:

I'm within city limits and you cannot discharge firearms, so harvesting
them is out. The city deer are getting denser in population as a result.

They grow fat on those well watered lawns in town,

and they steal grain from the bird feeders. <G>

I have a neighbor a couple of houses down; more than once I've seen deer
in his yard raiding his bird feeders. His fence is only 3'.

We call 'em rats with hooves.

Boron

In article <[email hidden]>,

Gabby said:

"OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Gabby said:

Are you guys hearing much about this boycott organized by the United
States'
Humane Society to try to force the closure of the seal hunt?

Quoted message said:

It's never going to happen...
and should not be supported.

On that we agree.

Quoted message said:

I don't mean to sound harsh or cruel, but controlled hunting with bag
limits is often beneficial to the overall population, and the
environment. There are no longer enough natural predators to keep them
in check.

They did stop hunting the Harp seals for awhile, but then the seals
started to over-populate and there were some serious problems with them.

http://www.releases.gov.nl.ca/releases/1999/fishaq/0105n03.htm

I hate those hunts too, (those big eyed, fluffy white babies are SO
adorable!) but it seems that they are a necessary thing. :-(

Actually, the commercial hunt of whitecoats was banned in Canada in 1987.
And the legal hunt is supposed to be done with guns. That makes it no
crueler than any other hunt and also no crueler than the average slaughter
house but I don't hear the Humane Society screaming to have beef & chicken
boycotted.

<lol> Pardon me for laughing, but your point was oh so true!

Quoted message said:

I was just wondering about the boycott, because the commercials we hear out
here make it sound as though this boycott is a great success -- that our
sale of seafood has dropped by more than twice what the seal hunt brings in.

Gabby

Heh. Most of our seafood here does and always has come partially from
the east and west coasts, and mostly from the gulf coast with selected
imports from the Orient.

I have never seen Canadian seafood for sale. Not in many years of buying
it, so I don't see what the big deal is.

Maybe further North?

Quoted message said:

--
Peace, Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

Boron Elgar said:

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

jay said:

On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 11:25:22 -0600, OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:

> In article <[email hidden]>,
> "Gabby" <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> Just like deer hunting in our area. The Texas white tails breed like
> goats, and many of the does have twins.

AND triplets.. there are six standing in my front yard right now..not
kidding. They multiply more like rats than goats. You can't run them
things off. If they keep surviving here they are gonning to be the
size of rabbits. They are everywhere..dents in car to prove it.

We like 'em in a good pot of chili.

<snork> I've hit three of the damned things in the past 15 years.
Expensive venison with the deductable. <sigh>

Quoted message said:

I'm within city limits and you cannot discharge firearms, so harvesting
them is out. The city deer are getting denser in population as a result.

They grow fat on those well watered lawns in town,

and they steal grain from the bird feeders. <G>

I have a neighbor a couple of houses down; more than once I've seen deer
in his yard raiding his bird feeders. His fence is only 3'.

We call 'em rats with hooves.

Don't recall the exact numbers but ISTR that every year several hundred folx
at least and many thousands more are injured in deer - vehicle accidents
(the most being in Michigan IIRC), they are a real menace.

Every fall my hometown (downstate Illannoy) newspaper's "blotter" section is
filled with such accident reports...

--
Best
Greg

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

Heh. Most of our seafood here does and always has come partially from
the east and west coasts, and mostly from the gulf coast with selected
imports from the Orient.

I have never seen Canadian seafood for sale. Not in many years of buying
it, so I don't see what the big deal is.

Maybe further North?

You've had it, you just haven't seen it labelled as such. About 3/4 of the
Canadian seafood haul is exported to the States

http://www.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/media/newsrel/2005/hq-ac09_e.htm

CANADIAN SEAFOOD EXPORTS REACH $4.5 BILLION IN 2004

"The United States remains Canada's largest export destination, with nearly
two-thirds of its seafood products, valued at $2.8 billion, sold to this
market. Once again, Japan ranked second with Canadian seafood imports valued
at nearly $500 million. Exports to the European Union, Canada's third
largest trading partner, increased by 4.0 per cent last year to more than
$474 million. China and Hong Kong followed at $366 million.

The top three species exported from Canada last year were lobster, crab, and
salmon (farmed and wild) with a combined value of more than $2.5 billion.
They accounted for 55 per cent of Canada's seafood exports. Lobster exports
were $951.7 million, followed by crab, worth $925.6 million, and salmon, at
$573.5 million. Other major export species included herring, scallops, cod,
halibut, and clams, with a combined value of almost $600 million.

Nova Scotia was once again the largest exporting province at $1.09 billion,
with its top-valued products - lobster, scallops, and crab - accounting for
more than $615 million. Newfoundland and Labrador came in second, with
exports worth $1.01 billion - shrimp, crab, and Atlantic cod being its
highest-selling products. British Columbia ranked third at $985 million; New
Brunswick, fourth at $824 million. The province of Quebec saw a significant
increase of more than 15 per cent in exports last year, moving it up to
fifth place with $218 million, ahead of Prince Edward Island, at $181
million.

For further information on Canada's seafood export statistics, refer to
Fisheries and Oceans' Statistical Services website at:
www.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/communic/statistics/main_e.htm "

AND:

http://www.hsus.org/marine_mammals/protect_seals/why_a_boycott_of_canadian_seafood/

"The bulk of Canadian seafood-an estimated 75% of it-is exported to the
United States, generating more than $3 billion (CAD) annually for the
Canadian economy.

More than 80% of the value of Newfoundland's fishery is from shellfish such
as snow crabs, while sealing accounts for only 2%. Canadian snow crab
exports to the United States-the bulk of which originate in Newfoundland-are
valued at more than $370 million (USD) a year. This dwarfs the few million
dollars from the seal hunt in comparison.

The Importance of Snow Crabs

Almost all U.S. snow crab imports come from Canada. So simply by eliminating
just one product from their menus, American restaurants can send a direct
message to the very industry and individuals responsible for the seal hunt."

</>

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Just like deer hunting in our area. The Texas white tails breed like
goats, and many of the does have twins.

AND triplets.. there are six standing in my front yard right now..not
kidding. They multiply more like rats than goats. You can't run them
things off. If they keep surviving here they are gonning to be the
size of rabbits. They are everywhere..dents in car to prove it.

We like 'em in a good pot of chili.

<snork> I've hit three of the damned things in the past 15 years.
Expensive venison with the deductable. <sigh>

Sorry I did not get right back to you..but I have been looking
everywhere for my bow. I never put MY NAME on the arrow. <G>

BTW they have now joined a larger group around back.

In article <[email hidden]>,

Boron Elgar said:

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

jay said:

On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 11:25:22 -0600, OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:

> In article <[email hidden]>,
> "Gabby" <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> Just like deer hunting in our area. The Texas white tails breed like
> goats, and many of the does have twins.

AND triplets.. there are six standing in my front yard right now..not
kidding. They multiply more like rats than goats. You can't run them
things off. If they keep surviving here they are gonning to be the
size of rabbits. They are everywhere..dents in car to prove it.

We like 'em in a good pot of chili.

<snork> I've hit three of the damned things in the past 15 years.
Expensive venison with the deductable. <sigh>

Quoted message said:

I'm within city limits and you cannot discharge firearms, so harvesting
them is out. The city deer are getting denser in population as a result.

They grow fat on those well watered lawns in town,

and they steal grain from the bird feeders. <G>

I have a neighbor a couple of houses down; more than once I've seen deer
in his yard raiding his bird feeders. His fence is only 3'.

We call 'em rats with hooves.

Boron

<lol>
Not quite as destructive, but they try......
--
Peace, Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

In article <[email hidden]>,
"Gregory Morrow"

Quoted message said:

Boron Elgar said:

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

In article <[email hidden]>,
jay <[email hidden]> wrote:

> On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 11:25:22 -0600, OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
>
> > In article <[email hidden]>,
> > "Gabby" <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

> > Just like deer hunting in our area. The Texas white tails breed like
> > goats, and many of the does have twins.
>
> AND triplets.. there are six standing in my front yard right now..not
> kidding. They multiply more like rats than goats. You can't run them
> things off. If they keep surviving here they are gonning to be the
> size of rabbits. They are everywhere..dents in car to prove it.
>
> We like 'em in a good pot of chili.
>
>

<snork> I've hit three of the damned things in the past 15 years.
Expensive venison with the deductable. <sigh>

Quoted message said:

I'm within city limits and you cannot discharge firearms, so harvesting
them is out. The city deer are getting denser in population as a result.

They grow fat on those well watered lawns in town,

and they steal grain from the bird feeders. <G>

I have a neighbor a couple of houses down; more than once I've seen deer
in his yard raiding his bird feeders. His fence is only 3'.

We call 'em rats with hooves.

Don't recall the exact numbers but ISTR that every year several hundred folx
at least and many thousands more are injured in deer - vehicle accidents
(the most being in Michigan IIRC), they are a real menace.

The deer are MUCH larger in Michigan!
By a few hundred pounds I think?

A 150 lb. buck here is a big one.

Quoted message said:

Every fall my hometown (downstate Illannoy) newspaper's "blotter" section is
filled with such accident reports...

Yah. I've been in some areas of the country where there are deer
crossing signs on some of the multi-lane major freeways. I've seen deer
"splats" in the roads! I imagine those are made by Semi's.

What a mess!

Our Hill Country vultures are well fed on many of the Texas back
roads.....
--
Peace, Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

In article <[email hidden]>,
"Gregory Morrow"

Quoted message said:

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

Heh. Most of our seafood here does and always has come partially from
the east and west coasts, and mostly from the gulf coast with selected
imports from the Orient.

I have never seen Canadian seafood for sale. Not in many years of buying
it, so I don't see what the big deal is.

Maybe further North?

You've had it, you just haven't seen it labelled as such. About 3/4 of the
Canadian seafood haul is exported to the States

I don't doubt it...
It's just labeled "farmed" or "wild".

Quoted message said:

http://www.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/media/newsrel/2005/hq-ac09_e.htm

CANADIAN SEAFOOD EXPORTS REACH $4.5 BILLION IN 2004

"The United States remains Canada's largest export destination, with nearly
two-thirds of its seafood products, valued at $2.8 billion, sold to this
market. Once again, Japan ranked second with Canadian seafood imports valued
at nearly $500 million. Exports to the European Union, Canada's third
largest trading partner, increased by 4.0 per cent last year to more than
$474 million. China and Hong Kong followed at $366 million.

Really? I'm a bit surprised! I guess I should not be, I imagine the
majority if Oriental seafoods are eaten locally.

Quoted message said:

The top three species exported from Canada last year were lobster, crab, and
salmon (farmed and wild) with a combined value of more than $2.5 billion.
They accounted for 55 per cent of Canada's seafood exports. Lobster exports
were $951.7 million, followed by crab, worth $925.6 million, and salmon, at
$573.5 million. Other major export species included herring, scallops, cod,
halibut, and clams, with a combined value of almost $600 million.

Nova Scotia was once again the largest exporting province at $1.09 billion,
with its top-valued products - lobster, scallops, and crab - accounting for
more than $615 million. Newfoundland and Labrador came in second, with
exports worth $1.01 billion - shrimp, crab, and Atlantic cod being its
highest-selling products. British Columbia ranked third at $985 million; New
Brunswick, fourth at $824 million. The province of Quebec saw a significant
increase of more than 15 per cent in exports last year, moving it up to
fifth place with $218 million, ahead of Prince Edward Island, at $181
million.

For further information on Canada's seafood export statistics, refer to
Fisheries and Oceans' Statistical Services website at:
www.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/communic/statistics/main_e.htm "

AND:

http://www.hsus.org/marine_mammals/protect_seals/why_a_boycott_of_canadian_sea
food/

"The bulk of Canadian seafood-an estimated 75% of it-is exported to the
United States, generating more than $3 billion (CAD) annually for the
Canadian economy.

More than 80% of the value of Newfoundland's fishery is from shellfish such
as snow crabs, while sealing accounts for only 2%. Canadian snow crab
exports to the United States-the bulk of which originate in Newfoundland-are
valued at more than $370 million (USD) a year. This dwarfs the few million
dollars from the seal hunt in comparison.

The Importance of Snow Crabs

Almost all U.S. snow crab imports come from Canada. So simply by eliminating
just one product from their menus, American restaurants can send a direct
message to the very industry and individuals responsible for the seal hunt."

</>

Heh. I'm really no longer concerned about the seal hunts...
now that I know more about them.

I don't eat snow crab anymore because it SUCKS! What we've been getting
lately, I'd rather take the trouble to shell the local blues! It's puny
and all dried out, and salty as hell. I can get all the blues I want,
live, at 3 for $1.00 in season. That price is not common but it does get
down that far sometimes especially if you get it off the fishing boats
in Port A'.

I wish I could find the quality of snow crab that Kili and TFM showed
the other day! I never see snow crab that nice.

I eat Dungeness most of the time now, especially since the price has
come down. It's gotten so it's as cheap as, if not cheaper, than snow.

King is my favorite but it's usually outside my price range. I don't buy
it until it drops below $9.00 per lb. in season and even then it's a
treat. Lately, Dungeness (whole fresh frozen crabs) have been under
$5.00 per lb.

Quoted message said:

--
Peace, Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

In article <[email hidden]>,

jay said:

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

Quoted message said:

>
> Just like deer hunting in our area. The Texas white tails breed like
> goats, and many of the does have twins.

AND triplets.. there are six standing in my front yard right now..not
kidding. They multiply more like rats than goats. You can't run them
things off. If they keep surviving here they are gonning to be the
size of rabbits. They are everywhere..dents in car to prove it.

We like 'em in a good pot of chili.

<snork> I've hit three of the damned things in the past 15 years.
Expensive venison with the deductable. <sigh>

Sorry I did not get right back to you..but I have been looking
everywhere for my bow. I never put MY NAME on the arrow. <G>

LOL! Order a crossbow from BudK. I have one, just have not assembled it
yet. ;-) You can screw a hunting point on the bolts they sell.

Quoted message said:

BTW they have now joined a larger group around back.

Oh boy... I suppose one of your neighbors is feeding them?
It's pretty common in this area. <sigh>
--
Peace, Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

Gabby said:

Are you guys hearing much about this boycott organized
by the United States' Humane Society to try to force
the closure of the seal hunt?
Gabby

Is any of that seal imported into the U.S.?
I'd sure like to try some, whether or not
it's anything fantastic. I just want to
know what it's like.

Would it be easy to get in Vancouver?
Do many restaurants offer it?

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

I hate those hunts too, (those big eyed, fluffy white babies are SO
adorable!) but it seems that they are a necessary thing. :-(

If baby seals were as ugly as lobsters no one would give a damn.

Gregory Morrow said:

Quoted message said:

We call 'em rats with hooves.

Don't recall the exact numbers but ISTR that every year several hundred folx
at least and many thousands more are injured in deer - vehicle accidents
(the most being in Michigan IIRC), they are a real menace.

Every fall my hometown (downstate Illannoy) newspaper's "blotter" section is
filled with such accident reports...

Many years ago I worked on a road maintenance crew that looked after a 20 mile
stretch of highway. We used to pick up at least one deer carcass per week. In
the last year there have been three deer killed on my street within a half mile
from my place.

I know several people who have totalled their cars hitting deer, one guy twice.
Two of them were in Michigan, one in Florida and one in Virginia.

If you think hitting a deer is a bad thing you don't want to know about moose.
They are two to three times taller than a deer and weigh 5-6 times as much. If
you hit them at speed with a car you knock their legs out from under them and
that 1,000 lb. plus body comes through the front window.