fist gloves or closed fists?

Manuel Silva said:

I have read some articles benefiting the use of fist gloves, and i thought: "Why not just close
your hands in a fist and swim like that?".

When I tried without the fistgloves, I found that I'd be distracted by other stroke issues and that
my hands would open up.

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In Manuel Silva said:

I have read some articles benefiting the use of fist gloves, and i thought: "Why not just close
your hands in a fist and swim like that?".

You could. No problem.

Lemley developed them for training age group teams, many of whom would cheat (conciously or
otherwise) by opening their fists. I suspect most of his customers are age group coaches.

Ross

Try swimming with tennis balls or racquetballs. Works great.

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I have read some articles benefiting the use of fist gloves, and i

thought:

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"Why not just close your hands in a fist and swim like that?".

I would like to know your opinion on this subject, For me the fist gloves "praise" seems a little
like a comercial campaing. I am not doubting about the benifits of swimming with a closed hand,
but just the necessity of buying fist gloves, After all i think i am still

able

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to control my hands muscles... 8=)

Manuel Silva said:

I have read some articles benefiting the use of fist gloves, and i thought: "Why not just close
your hands in a fist and swim like that?".

I would like to know your opinion on this subject, For me the fist gloves "praise" seems a little
like a comercial campaing. I am not doubting about the benifits of swimming with a closed hand, but
just the necessity of buying fist gloves, After all i think i am still able to control my hands
muscles... 8=)

When swimming without fist gloves you have to conscienly hold your hand shut. A) this causes you to
sometimes clench your fist which causes tenseness in your arm which is bad. and B) you can sometimes
forget and let your hands open. Particularly during the most important time where you should have
your hand closed. I.E. when compensating for picking your head by stroking down and pushing your
head up to breath. If you try to breath and your position is incorrect and you are under water,
natural reaction is to push down and raise your head. With fist gloves no can do. With closed fist
you just open them up for a fraction of a sec that you may not even notice.

Another interesting effect of the fist gloves is the total loss of sensation from the water. When
you take them off your hands feel HUGE. I've heard them called swimming with dinner plates. I'm not
sure if this is a good thing or not but it sure is cool.

~Matt

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Try swimming with tennis balls or racquetballs. Works great.

I didn't know they could swim.

Donald Graft said:

Send Lemley the money. You obviously cheated and deluded yourself about it. :-)

I never could get the damn things on my hands anyway.

A little water and hair conditioner works wonders.

~Matt

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Stupidest things I ever saw.

Don

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When swimming without fist gloves you have to conscienly hold your hand shut. A) this causes
you to sometimes clench your fist which causes tenseness in your arm which is bad. and B) you
can sometimes forget and let your hands open. Particularly during the most important time where
you should have your hand closed. I.E. when compensating for picking your head by stroking down
and pushing your head up to breath. If you try to breath and your position is incorrect and you
are under water, natural reaction is to push down and raise your head. With fist gloves no can
do. With closed fist you just open them up for a fraction of a sec that you may not even
notice.

Another interesting effect of the fist gloves is the total loss of sensation from the water.
When you take them off your hands feel HUGE. I've heard them called swimming with dinner
plates. I'm not sure if this is a good thing or not but it sure is cool.

~Matt

Thank you for the advice, but i tried this week the drills with my hands closed and they worked
perfectly, i am sure i never opened my hand unless

i

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command her to. So in my opinion Fist Gloves are useless for everyone that wants to make

the

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drills without "cheating".

I felt the exactly same felling of "HUGENESS" (i think this word does not exisit yet) in my hands
when after 200m with my hands closed i opned them, It was very good!

Manuel Silva said:

I have read some articles benefiting the use of fist gloves, and i thought: "Why not just close
your hands in a fist and swim like that?".

In Japan we do "goo, choki, paa" drills, meaning rock, scissors, paper, as in the Japanese way to
select a person a la eenie, meenie, minie, moe. In a goo-choki-paa drill we swim one or more laps
with fists, one or more with two fingers extended, and then one or more with regular hands. Some
coaches take it further and build up one finger at a time. When I'm swimming with only one or two
fingers I make sure I'm aware of my surroundings to avoid breaking a finger! Swimming with fists
does really make you conscious of the role of your forearm.

Donal Fagan said:

Manuel Silva said:

I have read some articles benefiting the use of fist gloves, and i thought: "Why not just close
your hands in a fist and swim like that?".

When I tried without the fistgloves, I found that I'd be distracted by other stroke issues and
that my hands would open up.

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Which pretty much nails the advantages I would (never having used them) presume. An argument for
fists may include the flexibilty to try something like a 400 alternating fists/open hand every 25 or
the chance to try a little 'fist work' in a meet warmup.

GL Mike

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When swimming without fist gloves you have to conscienly hold your hand shut. A) this causes you
to sometimes clench your fist which causes tenseness in your arm which is bad. and B) you can
sometimes forget and let your hands open. Particularly during the most important time where you
should have your hand closed. I.E. when compensating for picking your head by stroking down and
pushing your head up to breath. If you try to breath and your position is incorrect and you are
under water, natural reaction is to push down and raise your head. With fist gloves no can do.
With closed fist you just open them up for a fraction of a sec that you may not even notice.

Another interesting effect of the fist gloves is the total loss of sensation from the water. When
you take them off your hands feel HUGE. I've heard them called swimming with dinner plates. I'm
not sure if this is a good thing or not but it sure is cool.

~Matt

Thank you for the advice, but i tried this week the drills with my hands closed and they worked
perfectly, i am sure i never opened my hand unless i command her to. So in my opinion Fist Gloves
are useless for everyone that wants to make the drills without "cheating".

I felt the exactly same felling of "HUGENESS" (i think this word does not exisit yet) in my hands
when after 200m with my hands closed i opned them, It was very good!

Send Lemley the money. You obviously cheated and deluded yourself about it. :-)

I never could get the damn things on my hands anyway. Stupidest things I ever saw.

Don

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When swimming without fist gloves you have to conscienly hold your hand shut. A) this causes you
to sometimes clench your fist which causes tenseness in your arm which is bad. and B) you can
sometimes forget and let your hands open. Particularly during the most important time where you
should have your hand closed. I.E. when compensating for picking your head by stroking down and
pushing your head up to breath. If you try to breath and your position is incorrect and you are
under water, natural reaction is to push down and raise your head. With fist gloves no can do.
With closed fist you just open them up for a fraction of a sec that you may not even notice.

Another interesting effect of the fist gloves is the total loss of sensation from the water.
When you take them off your hands feel HUGE. I've heard them called swimming with dinner plates.
I'm not sure if this is a good thing or not but it sure is cool.

~Matt

Thank you for the advice, but i tried this week the drills with my hands closed and they worked
perfectly, i am sure i never opened my hand unless

i

Quoted message said:

command her to. So in my opinion Fist Gloves are useless for everyone that wants to make

the

Quoted message said:

drills without "cheating".

I felt the exactly same felling of "HUGENESS" (i think this word does not exisit yet) in my hands
when after 200m with my hands closed i opned them, It was very good!