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  1. Race: Silver Comet Ultra Runs 50k
    Location: Rockmart Georgia
    Date/Time: Saturday, February 25, 2006, 7:30 AM
    Weather: Rain, 45° F, 92% humidity, calm winds
    Web Site: http://www.tynesweb.com/guts/e-scur.html

    There aren't that many ultras in Georgia, so this was too convenient to
    pass up and it fits nicely into my training plan. The start is in
    Rockmart, which is about 75 miles west of my home. The purpose of doing
    this event was to run an "easy" four to five hour run to prepare for an
    upcoming 50-miler. So I didn't race this event (as if I could actually
    "race" an ultra). All miles except the last one were run at an easy
    pace. I stopped at all but the last aid station.

    This was my second 50k. The 2 races were very different. The other 50K
    (Dizzy Fifties) that I did was last November. It involved lots of hilly
    terrain on dirt trails. I fell numerous times during that race. The
    Silver Comet Ultra is run entirely on a flat and wide paved trail. The
    Silver Comet Trail (http://tinyurl.com/esp4p) is a 60 mile-long,
    converted rail-trail going from Smyrna, about 15 miles Northwest of
    Atlanta, to the Georgia-Alabama state line. You are probably not going
    to find a trail in Georgia that is more flat than this one. The course
    (http://tinyurl.com/k9fpr) rises 300 feet fromt the start to about the
    10K mark. This is just under a 1% grade, which is almost imperceptible.

    The paved path also has a dirt/grass bridal path that runs adjacent to
    the asphalt. I ran on this as much as I could. Since it rained for the
    entire event, there were some sections that were too wet or muddy, but
    for the most part this was a welcome relief from the hardness of the
    pavement. There were 3 aid stations along the course - 8k, 18k, and the
    25k turnaround. The volunteers were most excellent. They treated my like
    the Sultan of Um-papa Mau Mau. There were only 52 runners signed up for
    the 50K and 11 for the 100k. Suprisingly, there were only 4 that didn't
    start. I spent half of the race by myself with virtually nobody in sight
    in front or behind me. For hydration and energy I carried Cytomax powder
    and a 24 oz. hand-held water bottle. I measured out 40 gram amounts of
    Cytomax and put them in 4 small baggies. They neatly fit inside my
    Amphipod waist pack. At the aid stations the volunteers did all the
    work, which was a good thing, since I could not move my fingers very
    well after they got cold. The volunteers filled my bottle with water,
    pulled a baggie from my pack and mixed it in with the water. My plan was
    to drink about 10 oz every 2 or 3 miles. As it turned out, this was too
    much fluid for such a cool day. I stopped 4 times along the course to
    empty my bladder. I wasn't racing, so this was not a big deal. At about
    20 miles, I drank about 10 more oz and dumped the other 10. I ran by the
    last aid station at the 26 mile mark. The main thing was that I wanted
    to test this "mixing routine" during a long event. It worked quite well
    for this event. This would not work well in a crowded event where the
    volunteers are merely handing cups to thousands of runners. This is
    another added bonus for ultra races. You get first class treatment at
    the aid stations. If you want, they'll sit you down, wash your feet,
    dress your wounds, pop your blisters, you name it.

    The weather was lousy. It rained for the entire event, with the temps in
    the mid 40s. I wore a long-sleeve technical t-shirt, vest, shorts,
    hat, rag wool mittens, and Sugoi wind mitts. I carried some chemical
    hand warmers in my pack in case I needed them later. I put a light coat
    of Vaseline on my feet, legs, and face. I started out pretty cold, but
    soon warmed up nicely. Half way through my hands started to get pretty
    cold, so I opened the chemical hand warmers and put them inside the
    mittens. The hand warmers barely warmed up at all. Maybe they got too
    wet, or they were defective in some way. They've worked before on
    20-mile training runs, but not today. During the remaining 15 miles I
    balled up my hand inside the mitten, one hand at a time, since I was
    carrying my water bottle. I kept telling myself, "This could be much
    worse if it were July." I can put up with the cold hands. It will not
    impact my running.

    One neat thing about an out-and-back course like this is that you get to
    see the front runners as they are coming back. Every single runner
    smiled, waved, and had a friendly greeting. Even during the end of the
    50K as some of the 100K runners were on their way to their second lap
    they were still smiling. Unbelievable! I personally would require some
    major motivation to start that second 31-mile lap. You've just finished
    running 31 miles. Your car is right there. You have lots of friends and
    family offering food and warmth. You know what? I think I'll call it a
    day. Why put myself through this for another 4 or 5 hours? I found this
    inspiring that these guys and gals continue on their journey through the
    cold/wet weather with a wave and a smile.

    The 50K and the 100K are run concurrently. The 100k runners do 2 laps of
    the 50K out-and-back course. As I was nearing the 30 mile mark, with 1
    mile to go, I was starting to gain on a runner. My competitive juices
    started to kick in as I felt this runner pulling me closer and closer.
    If I wanted to pass him, I had to start running considerably faster than
    my average pace. As I ran by him I smiled and said we only had about a
    half mile to go. He smiled back and said, "No. I've got another lap. I'm
    doing the 100k." Oh my God! Here I am killing myself to overtake this
    guy and he's got another 31 miles to run!

    Overall a great course with great support and gorgeous views of the
    rolling countryside (even in the rain). If it works out for my plans, I
    will certainly do this again next year.

    My time was 4:49:06. I placed 14 out of 54 starters. Not bad for a
    training run. I accomplished my goal, which was to stay moving forward
    for 4.5 to 5 hours.

    Results: http://www.tynesweb.com/guts/r-scur06.html

    --
    Phil M.

  2. Big congrats, Phil! Sounds like you did great even if it was
    "only" a training run. But you have more info for the upcoming
    big 50-m, like the mittens if it's cold (I hate having numb
    hands...) Very interesting report, thanks for sending it. I
    want to try one!!!

    Teresa in AZ

    Phil M. said:

    Race: Silver Comet Ultra Runs 50k
    Location: Rockmart Georgia
    Date/Time: Saturday, February 25, 2006, 7:30 AM
    Weather: Rain, 45° F, 92% humidity, calm winds
    Web Site: http://www.tynesweb.com/guts/e-scur.html

    There aren't that many ultras in Georgia, so this was too convenient to
    pass up and it fits nicely into my training plan. The start is in
    Rockmart, which is about 75 miles west of my home. The purpose of doing
    this event was to run an "easy" four to five hour run to prepare for an
    upcoming 50-miler. So I didn't race this event (as if I could actually
    "race" an ultra). All miles except the last one were run at an easy
    pace. I stopped at all but the last aid station.

    This was my second 50k. The 2 races were very different. The other 50K
    (Dizzy Fifties) that I did was last November. It involved lots of hilly
    terrain on dirt trails. I fell numerous times during that race. The
    Silver Comet Ultra is run entirely on a flat and wide paved trail. The
    Silver Comet Trail (http://tinyurl.com/esp4p) is a 60 mile-long,
    converted rail-trail going from Smyrna, about 15 miles Northwest of
    Atlanta, to the Georgia-Alabama state line. You are probably not going
    to find a trail in Georgia that is more flat than this one. The course
    (http://tinyurl.com/k9fpr) rises 300 feet fromt the start to about the
    10K mark. This is just under a 1% grade, which is almost imperceptible.

    The paved path also has a dirt/grass bridal path that runs adjacent to
    the asphalt. I ran on this as much as I could. Since it rained for the
    entire event, there were some sections that were too wet or muddy, but
    for the most part this was a welcome relief from the hardness of the
    pavement. There were 3 aid stations along the course - 8k, 18k, and the
    25k turnaround. The volunteers were most excellent. They treated my like
    the Sultan of Um-papa Mau Mau. There were only 52 runners signed up for
    the 50K and 11 for the 100k. Suprisingly, there were only 4 that didn't
    start. I spent half of the race by myself with virtually nobody in sight
    in front or behind me. For hydration and energy I carried Cytomax powder
    and a 24 oz. hand-held water bottle. I measured out 40 gram amounts of
    Cytomax and put them in 4 small baggies. They neatly fit inside my
    Amphipod waist pack. At the aid stations the volunteers did all the
    work, which was a good thing, since I could not move my fingers very
    well after they got cold. The volunteers filled my bottle with water,
    pulled a baggie from my pack and mixed it in with the water. My plan was
    to drink about 10 oz every 2 or 3 miles. As it turned out, this was too
    much fluid for such a cool day. I stopped 4 times along the course to
    empty my bladder. I wasn't racing, so this was not a big deal. At about
    20 miles, I drank about 10 more oz and dumped the other 10. I ran by the
    last aid station at the 26 mile mark. The main thing was that I wanted
    to test this "mixing routine" during a long event. It worked quite well
    for this event. This would not work well in a crowded event where the
    volunteers are merely handing cups to thousands of runners. This is
    another added bonus for ultra races. You get first class treatment at
    the aid stations. If you want, they'll sit you down, wash your feet,
    dress your wounds, pop your blisters, you name it.

    The weather was lousy. It rained for the entire event, with the temps in
    the mid 40s. I wore a long-sleeve technical t-shirt, vest, shorts,
    hat, rag wool mittens, and Sugoi wind mitts. I carried some chemical
    hand warmers in my pack in case I needed them later. I put a light coat
    of Vaseline on my feet, legs, and face. I started out pretty cold, but
    soon warmed up nicely. Half way through my hands started to get pretty
    cold, so I opened the chemical hand warmers and put them inside the
    mittens. The hand warmers barely warmed up at all. Maybe they got too
    wet, or they were defective in some way. They've worked before on
    20-mile training runs, but not today. During the remaining 15 miles I
    balled up my hand inside the mitten, one hand at a time, since I was
    carrying my water bottle. I kept telling myself, "This could be much
    worse if it were July." I can put up with the cold hands. It will not
    impact my running.

    One neat thing about an out-and-back course like this is that you get to
    see the front runners as they are coming back. Every single runner
    smiled, waved, and had a friendly greeting. Even during the end of the
    50K as some of the 100K runners were on their way to their second lap
    they were still smiling. Unbelievable! I personally would require some
    major motivation to start that second 31-mile lap. You've just finished
    running 31 miles. Your car is right there. You have lots of friends and
    family offering food and warmth. You know what? I think I'll call it a
    day. Why put myself through this for another 4 or 5 hours? I found this
    inspiring that these guys and gals continue on their journey through the
    cold/wet weather with a wave and a smile.

    The 50K and the 100K are run concurrently. The 100k runners do 2 laps of
    the 50K out-and-back course. As I was nearing the 30 mile mark, with 1
    mile to go, I was starting to gain on a runner. My competitive juices
    started to kick in as I felt this runner pulling me closer and closer.
    If I wanted to pass him, I had to start running considerably faster than
    my average pace. As I ran by him I smiled and said we only had about a
    half mile to go. He smiled back and said, "No. I've got another lap. I'm
    doing the 100k." Oh my God! Here I am killing myself to overtake this
    guy and he's got another 31 miles to run!

    Overall a great course with great support and gorgeous views of the
    rolling countryside (even in the rain). If it works out for my plans, I
    will certainly do this again next year.

    My time was 4:49:06. I placed 14 out of 54 starters. Not bad for a
    training run. I accomplished my goal, which was to stay moving forward
    for 4.5 to 5 hours.

    Results: http://www.tynesweb.com/guts/r-scur06.html

  3. Teresa Bippert-Plymate said:

    Big congrats, Phil! Sounds like you did great even if it was
    "only" a training run. But you have more info for the upcoming
    big 50-m, like the mittens if it's cold (I hate having numb
    hands...)

    Thanks Teresa. I'm not sure what the deal was with the chemical hand
    warmers. I've never had them not work before. And I'm pretty sure I've
    tried them in the rain. I guess I need to bring a back-up pair next
    time.

    --
    Phil M.

  4. Phil M. said:
    Teresa Bippert-Plymate said:

    Big congrats, Phil! Sounds like you did great even if it was
    "only" a training run. But you have more info for the upcoming
    big 50-m, like the mittens if it's cold (I hate having numb
    hands...)

    Thanks Teresa. I'm not sure what the deal was with the chemical hand
    warmers. I've never had them not work before. And I'm pretty sure I've
    tried them in the rain. I guess I need to bring a back-up pair next
    time.

    Phil,

    Just curious, how do these chemical hand warmers work? Do your hands
    actually make contact with chemicals?

    Btw, I enjoyed reading your report. Sounds like you had fun.

    jobs

  5. Quoted message said:

    Just curious, how do these chemical hand warmers work? Do your hands
    actually make contact with chemicals?

    No, the ingredients are surrounded by a polypropylene bag. Here's a pretty
    good explaination: http://tinyurl.com/jtgyv

    --
    Phil M.

  6. Phil M. said:

    My time was 4:49:06. I placed 14 out of 54 starters. Not bad for a
    training run. I accomplished my goal, which was to stay moving forward
    for 4.5 to 5 hours.

    Phil,
    You decided what 50M you're doing? Assuming you really did do a training
    run pace, which should roughly equate to the pace you'd do in a 50M,
    8:30 at AR will be a piece of cake :-)

    --
    - The Trailrunner

    Anti-Spam Alert: If you wish to reply, cut the *BS*

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    *Running - Hiking - Nature*
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  7. Quoted message said:
    Phil M. said:

    My time was 4:49:06. I placed 14 out of 54 starters. Not bad for a
    training run. I accomplished my goal, which was to stay moving forward
    for 4.5 to 5 hours.

    Phil,
    You decided what 50M you're doing?

    It looks like it's going to be McNaughton Park (http://tinyurl.com/avp9c)
    in Illinois. The wife has me on a serious guilt trip about my running
    adventures, so at least I can coincide this one with a mandatory visit to
    see my parents.

    Quoted message said:

    Assuming you really did do a training run pace, which should roughly
    equate to the pace you'd do in a 50M, 8:30 at AR will be a piece of
    cake :-)

    You are not going to find an easier course than the Silver Comet course.
    And 50-miles being an unknown distance for me...I'll think of some other
    excuses and get back with you. ;-)

    --
    Phil M.

  8. Phil M. said:

    You are not going to find an easier course than the Silver Comet course.
    And 50-miles being an unknown distance for me...I'll think of some other
    excuses and get back with you. ;-)

    Well, too bad about AR. The first 31 while not totally flat, is probably
    as close to the Silver Comet as you're going to get. And the few short
    hills early at AR give you an excuse to take a walk break. So if you
    were comfortable with your pace at SC and didn't leave it all on the
    trail by the finish, you would/will be fine for the next 19.

    --
    - The Trailrunner

    Anti-Spam Alert: If you wish to reply, cut the *BS*

    Trails of the Diablo Valley
    *Running - Hiking - Nature*
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  9. "Phil M." <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    My time was 4:49:06. I placed 14 out of 54 starters. Not bad for a
    training run. I accomplished my goal, which was to stay moving forward
    for 4.5 to 5 hours.

    Nice feat! Thought I say it first. 🙂 Ain't they a blast just to run
    for [censored] and giggles? I'm looking for 6 hours at the HAT with Bull Run
    two weeks later.

    Let us know how your recovey goes!!! Recovery says a lot about your
    training

    -DougF

  10. "Phil M." <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Phil M. said:

    My time was 4:49:06. I placed 14 out of 54 starters. Not bad for a
    training run. I accomplished my goal, which was to stay moving
    forward
    for 4.5 to 5 hours.

    Phil,
    You decided what 50M you're doing?

    It looks like it's going to be McNaughton Park
    (http://tinyurl.com/avp9c)

    Nice honest choice. Web page says "The elevation gain per 10 mile lap is
    1,600 feet." That's 8,000 feet and a solid effort. This will be a big
    step up from Silver Comet. 😉 I'm sure you going to do some training
    runs with 4-5K of elevation, right?

    -DF

  11. I've used them a few times when observing (telescopes) and
    they've always worked. But maybe they can get weak if they're
    old? I've *heard* from other observers that they've had ones
    that "got weak", though I haven't experienced that nor can
    confirm it in any way. Just a guess....

    Teresa in AZ

    Phil M. said:
    Teresa Bippert-Plymate said:

    Big congrats, Phil! Sounds like you did great even if it was
    "only" a training run. But you have more info for the upcoming
    big 50-m, like the mittens if it's cold (I hate having numb
    hands...)

    Thanks Teresa. I'm not sure what the deal was with the chemical hand
    warmers. I've never had them not work before. And I'm pretty sure I've
    tried them in the rain. I guess I need to bring a back-up pair next
    time.

  12. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    It looks like it's going to be McNaughton Park
    (http://tinyurl.com/avp9c)

    Nice honest choice. Web page says "The elevation gain per 10 mile lap is
    1,600 feet." That's 8,000 feet and a solid effort. This will be a big
    step up from Silver Comet. 😉 I'm sure you going to do some training
    runs with 4-5K of elevation, right?

    Oh sure. That's about my weekly total. ;-) I did a 19-miler a few weeks ago
    that was about 2100 feet climb. That's the best I can do around here
    without running on the AT.

    --
    Phil M.

  13. "Phil M." <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Race: Silver Comet Ultra Runs 50k
    Location: Rockmart Georgia
    Date/Time: Saturday, February 25, 2006, 7:30 AM
    Weather: Rain, 45° F, 92% humidity, calm winds
    Web Site: http://www.tynesweb.com/guts/e-scur.html

    That's a nasty biting damp kind of cold.

    Quoted message said:

    The weather was lousy. It rained for the entire event, with the temps in
    the mid 40s. I wore a long-sleeve technical t-shirt, vest, shorts,
    hat, rag wool mittens, and Sugoi wind mitts. I carried some chemical
    hand warmers in my pack in case I needed them later. I put a light coat
    of Vaseline on my feet, legs, and face. I started out pretty cold, but

    After my experience at Vermont, I would wear tights, a mid-weight top, and
    carry a light shell jacket (thin poly hat and gloves also).

    Quoted message said:

    soon warmed up nicely. Half way through my hands started to get pretty
    cold, so I opened the chemical hand warmers and put them inside the
    mittens. The hand warmers barely warmed up at all. Maybe they got too
    wet, or they were defective in some way. They've worked before on
    20-mile training runs, but not today. During the remaining 15 miles I
    balled up my hand inside the mitten, one hand at a time, since I was
    carrying my water bottle. I kept telling myself, "This could be much
    worse if it were July." I can put up with the cold hands. It will not
    impact my running.

    Echoing what I said above, just a thought here. You said you wore a vest
    with that long sleeve T. I think you should experiment with reverse layering
    instead of core layering. That means even layering on top, or even double
    layers on arms (arm warmers), and extra layers on the legs. I know you have
    a specific problem with your hands, and you've probably experimented a great
    deal, but I've recently tried this reverse layering thing, and it works. The
    core doesn't overheat as much, but the arms tend to stay much warmer than
    they used to, and the legs feel less stiff. Overall I'm much more
    comfortable being outside running in the cold this way.

    Quoted message said:

    One neat thing about an out-and-back course like this is that you get to
    see the front runners as they are coming back. Every single runner
    smiled, waved, and had a friendly greeting. Even during the end of the
    50K as some of the 100K runners were on their way to their second lap
    they were still smiling. Unbelievable! I personally would require some
    major motivation to start that second 31-mile lap. You've just finished
    running 31 miles. Your car is right there. You have lots of friends and
    family offering food and warmth. You know what? I think I'll call it a
    day. Why put myself through this for another 4 or 5 hours? I found this
    inspiring that these guys and gals continue on their journey through the
    cold/wet weather with a wave and a smile.

    In that kind of weather it is amazing they were smiling heading out again.

    Quoted message said:

    The 50K and the 100K are run concurrently. The 100k runners do 2 laps of
    the 50K out-and-back course. As I was nearing the 30 mile mark, with 1
    mile to go, I was starting to gain on a runner. My competitive juices
    started to kick in as I felt this runner pulling me closer and closer.
    If I wanted to pass him, I had to start running considerably faster than
    my average pace. As I ran by him I smiled and said we only had about a
    half mile to go. He smiled back and said, "No. I've got another lap. I'm
    doing the 100k." Oh my God! Here I am killing myself to overtake this
    guy and he's got another 31 miles to run!

    That's funny. That's a damn long way to run on pavement - 50k that is - and
    that dude was heading out again. Honestly at that moment did you feel
    humbled or that the guy was insane for doing the 100k?

    Quoted message said:

    Overall a great course with great support and gorgeous views of the
    rolling countryside (even in the rain). If it works out for my plans, I
    will certainly do this again next year.

    No no - it's not a trail bro!

    Quoted message said:

    My time was 4:49:06. I placed 14 out of 54 starters. Not bad for a
    training run. I accomplished my goal, which was to stay moving forward
    for 4.5 to 5 hours.

    Results: http://www.tynesweb.com/guts/r-scur06.html

    Nice way to get in a long run, lower your 50k PR and go sub-5. Around 9 min
    miles - that's pretty damn good for training. It seems like you're born for
    this long stuff Phil.

    -Tony

    Quoted message said:

    --
    Phil M.

  14. Quoted message said:

    After my experience at Vermont, I would wear tights, a mid-weight top,
    and carry a light shell jacket (thin poly hat and gloves also).

    I was actually thinking tights. I had everything ready in my car ready to
    change just before the start. I saw nobody else wearing tights. What the
    heck do I know? I'll stay with the shorts.

    Quoted message said:

    Echoing what I said above, just a thought here. You said you wore a
    vest with that long sleeve T. I think you should experiment with
    reverse layering instead of core layering. That means even layering on
    top, or even double layers on arms (arm warmers), and extra layers on
    the legs. I know you have a specific problem with your hands, and
    you've probably experimented a great deal, but I've recently tried
    this reverse layering thing, and it works. The core doesn't overheat
    as much, but the arms tend to stay much warmer than they used to, and
    the legs feel less stiff. Overall I'm much more comfortable being
    outside running in the cold this way.

    It's worth a try. Now that the weather is heating up in Georgia. 72F by
    Thursday.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Overall a great course with great support and gorgeous views of the
    rolling countryside (even in the rain). If it works out for my plans,
    I will certainly do this again next year.

    No no - it's not a trail bro!

    Hey, it's called the Silver Comet *Trail*. But I know what you mean.

    Quoted message said:

    Nice way to get in a long run, lower your 50k PR and go sub-5.

    I didn't fall one time. I gingerly jumped over those hair-line cracks in
    the pavement. One reason I'd like to try this again is to see what my real
    50k PR could be. About as fast a 50k course as you'll find.

    Quoted message said:

    Around 9 min miles - that's pretty damn good for training. It seems
    like you're born for this long stuff Phil.

    Yeah, we'll see how my recovery goes. I hope to get quickly up to speed
    again for some quality 60+ mile weeks with more trails and hills.

    --
    Phil M.

  15. Phil said:

    Weather: Rain, 45° F

    Uggg, about the only worse weather, is windy and 10F colder. My hat's off
    to you for running nearly 5 hours in that.

    Quoted message said:

    They treated my like the Sultan of Um-papa Mau Mau.

    They summoned a translator?

    Offered you a deal running American ports?

    Where exactly *is* this sultanate anyhow? ;-)

    Quoted message said:

    He smiled back and said, "No. I've got another lap. I'm doing
    the 100k." Oh my God! Here I am killing myself to overtake this
    guy and he's got another 31 miles to run!

    All these smiling people running over 60 miles on pavement in horrible
    weather - you really make it sound a little cultish.

    Hey, fine job with the training race, and an especially excellent writeup
    Phil.

  16. Nice run in unpleasant conditions Phil.
    Did your socks/ feet get wet through straight away?
    Was that an issue for you?

    The 50-miler is in mid-April if I read it correctly.
    Good luck with the training!

    Anthony.

  17. Phil M. said:

    Race: Silver Comet Ultra Runs 50k
    Location: Rockmart Georgia
    Date/Time: Saturday, February 25, 2006, 7:30 AM
    Weather: Rain, 45° F, 92% humidity, calm winds
    Web Site: http://www.tynesweb.com/guts/e-scur.html

    ..... <rearranged order>

    Quoted message said:


    My time was 4:49:06. I placed 14 out of 54 starters. Not bad for a
    training run. I accomplished my goal, which was to stay moving forward
    for 4.5 to 5 hours.

    First, congratulations on a nice training run. 😉 Sounds like you have
    you mileage, pacing, eating, drinking under control.

    ....

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    The weather was lousy. It rained for the entire event, with the temps in
    the mid 40s. I wore a long-sleeve technical t-shirt, vest, shorts,
    hat, rag wool mittens, and Sugoi wind mitts.

    For curiosity, are the wind mitts just a shell or do they have
    insulation? water resistant or waterproof - ie, did they get soaked from
    outside? Are the rag wool mittens regular weight or are they your
    Dachsteins? (just trying to help trouble shoot cold hand issue) For
    curiosity, above what temperatures do you not need mittens? I know that
    wind and rain make a difference, but wondering if the rain warranted
    warmer mittens than what you wore - or rain protection. I see you did
    wear a hat, which is the obvious way to save heat.

    I saw your comments with Tony. RE: tights vs shorts. I wear what's
    comfortable for me, not what others are wearing, since I usually dress
    more warmly than most and have never regretted it, but that's me. (did
    regret dressing too lightly once when they moved the start time back 1
    hr and a front came through during that time) If it was raining hard, I
    probably would have worn a rain shell and maybe kept my hands tucked in
    the sleeves. (I've had past run-ins with hypothermia and don't care to
    repeat.)

    I'd definitely be sure that arms are reasonably warm, so you don't loose
    excess heat through those pipes and get as much to the hands as possible.

    Quoted message said:

    I carried some chemical
    hand warmers in my pack in case I needed them later.

    In plastic bags?
    FWIW, I usually try to work with passive solutions (ie clothes rather
    than chemical warmers), if possible, since when you need something to
    work most, is when it frequently doesn't.

    ....

    During the remaining 15 miles I

    Quoted message said:

    balled up my hand inside the mitten, one hand at a time, since I was
    carrying my water bottle.

    This is why I don't like carrying things - water bottles, flashlights,
    and esp. ski poles (likely cold temperatures when using these). Grasping
    an item constricts circulation. Hmmm, could this have been a contributor
    to the cold-hand problem - one or the other of your hands was holding
    the bottle (either you were grasping it or there was a band holding it
    on your hand) the whole time.

    Quoted message said:

    Oh my God! Here I am killing myself to overtake this
    guy and he's got another 31 miles to run!

    Doncha hate people like that 😉

    Quoted message said:


    Overall a great course with great support and gorgeous views of the
    rolling countryside (even in the rain). If it works out for my plans, I
    will certainly do this again next year.

    Sounds like a good course and you had a good time. Congrats!

    Dot

    --
    "Remorse - a good trail always makes you feel sorry that it is over no
    matter how tired you are" - Matt Carpenter

  18. "Dot" <dot.h@#duh?att.net> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    Phil M. said:

    Race: Silver Comet Ultra Runs 50k
    Location: Rockmart Georgia
    Date/Time: Saturday, February 25, 2006, 7:30 AM
    Weather: Rain, 45° F, 92% humidity, calm winds
    Web Site: http://www.tynesweb.com/guts/e-scur.html

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    Quoted message said:


    My time was 4:49:06. I placed 14 out of 54 starters. Not bad for a
    training run.

    Thought I poke you in the rips while I'm still able to put one foot in
    front of the other.

    Mid-Hudson Recover From the Holidays Fat Ass 50-kilometer race, Jan 2006
    4. Jacque Schiffer and Doug Freese 4:41:33 and it wan't flat. Guile and
    wisdom prevails. 🙂 🙂

    -DF

  19. Anthony said:

    Nice run in unpleasant conditions Phil.
    Did your socks/ feet get wet through straight away?
    Was that an issue for you?

    They did get wet, especially after stepping in some water on the bridal
    path. You couldn't see the water until you were almost in it. But it
    didn't bother me too much. My feet stayed warm, no blisters. Maybe the
    Brooks GTS5 that I was wearing drain well. Also, I had a coat of
    Vaseline on my feet.

    Quoted message said:

    The 50-miler is in mid-April if I read it correctly.
    Good luck with the training!

    Yes sir. Thank you.

    --
    Phil M.

  20. Charlie Pendejo said:
    Phil said:

    Weather: Rain, 45° F

    Uggg, about the only worse weather, is windy and 10F colder. My hat's off
    to you for running nearly 5 hours in that.

    I could have been July, which would be worse.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    They treated my like the Sultan of Um-papa Mau Mau.

    They summoned a translator?

    The 100K winner, Ian Harding, came over from England for the race, and
    Bruce Barteaux from Nova Scotia, Canada. I guess they could have used a
    translator

    Quoted message said:

    All these smiling people running over 60 miles on pavement in horrible
    weather - you really make it sound a little cultish.

    I don't know. Maybe they were really laughing at me.

    Quoted message said:

    Hey, fine job with the training race, and an especially excellent writeup

    Thanks.

    --
    Phil M.

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