heart rate

It will increase. Do a search on "cardiovascular drift".

Ben Ayre said:

I am training for a half marathon. I have just bought a simple heart rate
monitor to try to pace myself in order not to run too fast to complete a
distance that I am not used to.
Can anyone tell me if, for a given speed, ones heart rate increases as one
gets tired towards the end of a run? Or does it just get increasingly
difficult to mainain a set heart rate?

2. Triman
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I havent trained with a heart rate monitor for several years now,( i
need to get another one because i did better when i used one)my max was

176 and i did most of my training in the 150-160 range,on a 5k road
race i would usually keep it around 165-170 with the final kick max at
176, on a olimpic dist tri i found i would do best on the bike at
150-155 and on the run 155-160.on a half iron (gulf coast triathlon)i
found i could keep it at 140-149 on the bike and run and i could finish

the run without walking any,I havent been able to do that since i lost
it now i end up walking through some of the water stations,I lost mine
at the Chattanooga Dam triathlon a few years ago,Make sure you have the

monitor buckled good before the swim i had mine yanked off during the
swim. Im sure you will enjoy it.
HAVE A GREAT TRAINING DAY.
The Alabama Tri-man
PS I found out that instead of thinking about training zones i would go

out an see where i could hold the hardest effort for the longest
distance.I would watch the monitor during a race when i would start
getting tired,and if it was lower then it was in training i would tell
myself i was just getting lazy and would make myself speed up.
http://www.tri-mansworldmailboxofficesupply.com/index.html

Thanks for the replies. I am new to this monitor thing and find any hints
as to how to use it helpful. (My half marathon is in less than two weeks
now, but maybe it will still help to learn a good pace in that time. At the
moment I tend to run about an hour and a half max and feel exhausted at the
end - need to go a little bit slower)

Ben Ayre said:

Thanks for the replies. I am new to this monitor thing and find any hints
as to how to use it helpful. (My half marathon is in less than two weeks
now, but maybe it will still help to learn a good pace in that time. At the
moment I tend to run about an hour and a half max and feel exhausted at the
end - need to go a little bit slower)

Depending on your goals and experience, you may not want to do anything
different at this time. If, however, your expected time for the half is
over 1.5 hr, and you feel exhausted at 1.5 hrs (you didn't give any
indication how far this was?), it might be worthwhile to learn to run by
effort or you might have a very long day. Easy is conversational effort.
As you run harder and your speech gets more broken, you're approaching
lactate threshold, which you may not want to do until final kick (at
least if inexperienced). Generally efforts near LT can be maintained for
about 1 hr. Long runs should probably be conversational effort or close
to it.

Have all your runs been that way (ending exhausted)? Do you alternate
easy runs with hard runs or build your long runs gradually? Are you
using any kind of training principles / plan?

Also, I agree with Michael about looking up cardio drift. But, I've
found if I blew something (too hard, dehydrated, etc), then I have
trouble maintaining hr at the end.

Dot

--
"So many people get stuck in the routine of life that their dreams waste
away. This is about living the dream." - Cave Dog

My goal is to complete the distance - I currently do 10 k in just under 1
hour, so have an expectation, all being well, of completing the 21 odd
kilometers in about 2 hours and 15 min. Yes have been following a training
program, but started it a bit late. Got the monitor to help practice not
blowing a gasket in the first half of the race. Am using it for training to
run slow (very slow!) so that I feel a little bit more like carrying on. I
set it yesterday between 70 and 80% of MHR, but could not keep it down to
this (despite running a 10 k in 76 min). Today I will try at between 80%
and 90%. (It is very hot here in New Zealand at present.)
"Dot" <dot.h@#duh?att.net> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Ben Ayre said:

Thanks for the replies. I am new to this monitor thing and find any
hints
as to how to use it helpful. (My half marathon is in less than two weeks
now, but maybe it will still help to learn a good pace in that time. At
the
moment I tend to run about an hour and a half max and feel exhausted at
the
end - need to go a little bit slower)

Depending on your goals and experience, you may not want to do anything
different at this time. If, however, your expected time for the half is
over 1.5 hr, and you feel exhausted at 1.5 hrs (you didn't give any
indication how far this was?), it might be worthwhile to learn to run by
effort or you might have a very long day. Easy is conversational effort.
As you run harder and your speech gets more broken, you're approaching
lactate threshold, which you may not want to do until final kick (at least
if inexperienced). Generally efforts near LT can be maintained for about 1
hr. Long runs should probably be conversational effort or close to it.

Have all your runs been that way (ending exhausted)? Do you alternate easy
runs with hard runs or build your long runs gradually? Are you using any
kind of training principles / plan?

Also, I agree with Michael about looking up cardio drift. But, I've found
if I blew something (too hard, dehydrated, etc), then I have trouble
maintaining hr at the end.

Dot

--
"So many people get stuck in the routine of life that their dreams waste
away. This is about living the dream." - Cave Dog

Ben Ayre said:

My goal is to complete the distance - I currently do 10 k in just under 1
hour, so have an expectation, all being well, of completing the 21 odd
kilometers in about 2 hours and 15 min. Yes have been following a training
program, but started it a bit late. Got the monitor to help practice not
blowing a gasket in the first half of the race. Am using it for training to
run slow (very slow!) so that I feel a little bit more like carrying on. I
set it yesterday between 70 and 80% of MHR, but could not keep it down to
this (despite running a 10 k in 76 min). Today I will try at between 80%
and 90%. (It is very hot here in New Zealand at present.)

How did you calculate or estimate your MHR?

Dot

--
"So many people get stuck in the routine of life that their dreams waste
away. This is about living the dream." - Cave Dog

Ah - good question. Just the simple formula of 220 minus my age (result
169). I went to the gym to try to reach it on a treadmill and then on an
excer-cycle but only had the endurance to get to 163 - but I think that was
just because I didn't like how it felt!
My theory is that it is not very important to get an absolutely accurate
MHR, but just to experiment to find a working HR that gives me a pace that I
can cope with.

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Quoted message said:

Ben Ayre said:

My goal is to complete the distance - I currently do 10 k in just under 1
hour, so have an expectation, all being well, of completing the 21 odd
kilometers in about 2 hours and 15 min. Yes have been following a
training program, but started it a bit late. Got the monitor to help
practice not blowing a gasket in the first half of the race. Am using it
for training to run slow (very slow!) so that I feel a little bit more
like carrying on. I set it yesterday between 70 and 80% of MHR, but
could not keep it down to this (despite running a 10 k in 76 min). Today
I will try at between 80% and 90%. (It is very hot here in New Zealand
at present.)

How did you calculate or estimate your MHR?

Dot

--
"So many people get stuck in the routine of life that their dreams waste
away. This is about living the dream." - Cave Dog

Ben Ayre said:

Ah - good question. Just the simple formula of 220 minus my age (result
169).

For many people, that estimate is off. I think the formula has a std dev
(or err, can't remember which) of something like 15 bpm or so. That's
why I was suggesting using conversational effort as a gauge. Given how
close your half is and that you should probably be close to tapering, it
seemed a little late in the game to figure out max hr and learn to use hrm.

Quoted message said:

I went to the gym to try to reach it on a treadmill and then on an
excer-cycle but only had the endurance to get to 163 - but I think that was
just because I didn't like how it felt!

Try going until you're starting to breathe hard, then divide that by .9
and see if that number makes any sense as your max hr. Many people, but
not all, have their LT near 90% max hr - and hence the basis for the
estimate. For me, it provided a much better starting point than most
formulas and is reasonable for the few times I really push.

Quoted message said:

My theory is that it is not very important to get an absolutely accurate
MHR, but just to experiment to find a working HR that gives me a pace that I
can cope with.

Exactly. Most training programs stress easy, aerobic speed (or something
harder than easy, but not up to LT), and at or above LT. And they're
fairly easy to tell by breathing. (FWIW, I usually run by effort /
breathing, but do log my runs by hrm.)

Good luck.

Dot

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Quoted message said:

Ben Ayre said:

My goal is to complete the distance - I currently do 10 k in just under 1
hour, so have an expectation, all being well, of completing the 21 odd
kilometers in about 2 hours and 15 min. Yes have been following a
training program, but started it a bit late. Got the monitor to help
practice not blowing a gasket in the first half of the race. Am using it
for training to run slow (very slow!) so that I feel a little bit more
like carrying on. I set it yesterday between 70 and 80% of MHR, but
could not keep it down to this (despite running a 10 k in 76 min). Today
I will try at between 80% and 90%. (It is very hot here in New Zealand
at present.)

How did you calculate or estimate your MHR?

Dot

--
"So many people get stuck in the routine of life that their dreams waste
away. This is about living the dream." - Cave Dog

--
"So many people get stuck in the routine of life that their dreams waste
away. This is about living the dream." - Cave Dog