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Columbines'R'Us!

I like how divorces proliferate houses and free up teens for Columbining.

Goddam, you're an idiot.

Kurgan is really serious when he insults someone without the using Dumbass. I also agree with him in this instance.

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Jeff Potter said:

How often are killer-kids parents divorced? How often are valedictorian-kids parents married?

What about the valedictorians who are killer-kids?

yeah. And what about the unmarried moms who have kids that grow up and win the Tour de France 5
times and then get divorced . . . what about them,

huh

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dumbass?

NS

They go on to create dysfunctional families all over again, obviously.

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curt said:

I already know of a couple people that I know that are having kids and not getting together
at all.

Immaculate conception?

Just FYI, this is a misuse of the words "immaculate conception". Read the fist two paragraphs of:

catholic.comImmaculate Conception and Assum.aspOpen ↗

for the correct meaning of these two words.

Peace,

Andy

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Columbines'R'Us!

(much snipped blather here; go easy on the coffee, JP!)

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Nice logic there Jeff:

X's parents get divorced -> X goes on a killing spree.

Think about it also for one second. How many school shootings are there each year? Now, how many
children have divorced parents? You do the math.

- Boyd S knows plenty of former latch key kids with divorced parents who are now pefectly
adjusted, normal adults.

Many of whom seem to manage to have successful relationships/marriages, too.

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tanx, Howard

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remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

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In article said:

curt said:

I already know of a couple people that I know that are having kids and not

getting

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together at all.

Immaculate conception?

Just FYI, this is a misuse of the words "immaculate conception". Read the

fist

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two paragraphs of:

Mary was full of something and it wasn't grace.

Guess Lance's wife isn't such a devote Catholic after all, eh?

Dashii

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Boyd Speerschneider said:

Jeff Potter <[email hidden]> wrote in
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Columbines'R'Us!

(much snipped blather here; go easy on the coffee, JP!)

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Nice logic there Jeff:

X's parents get divorced -> X goes on a killing spree.

Think about it also for one second. How many school shootings are there each year? Now, how many
children have divorced parents? You do the math.

- Boyd S knows plenty of former latch key kids with divorced parents who are now pefectly
adjusted, normal adults.

Just wondering, how would you know if someone was a perfectly adjusted normal adult or a
sociopathic killer?

Dashii

I believe the parents of the Columbine kids were married. If you are getting information from that
wacko Michael Moore, get another source.

If you want a real connection check out the medications the kids are on. There have been reports
that a lot fo the kids who go on shooting sprees are on Ritalin or other psychoactive drugs.
Drugging kids is a real problem in the US. Get a bored kid in school who acts out and the
teachers want to sedate them (Ritalin) so they will behave; this is easier that finding ways to
challenge kids.

When I was young, I was bored in school and acted out a lot. Thankfully the medications were not
around and a teacher who had taught one of my siblings got me tested. Found out I was reading about
4 grade levels up and math skills were about the same. I was put into other classes with "gifted"
kids and flourished--no more behavior problems since I was being challenged.

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But are their economies booming like ours (was)?

Maybe it's how our divorces are combined with lifestyles based on

religion,

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multilevel marketing, SUVs, tv, videogames, pro-sports, huge commutes, overtime, and casinos that
give us that special something extra.

How often are killer-kids parents divorced? How often are

valedictorian-kids

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parents married? ---No relation, I know.

trg said:

Nah, must be something in the water in the good ol' US of A. Other industrialized countries have
even more never married and divorced

families

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and their kids don't go "Columbining".

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It's official: cyclingnews.comnewsOpen ↗

Now y'all can start arguing about how it will affect the 2004 Tour.

My opinion, which is worth far less than &euro;0.02: I think it could actually help Lance by
taking some of the stress off him.

cheers, Jeff

Being that he didn't have much of a positive paternal influence, one wonders how it may affect his
future relationship with his kids. Since Armstrong has a reputation for being less than tolerant
to riders he doesn't like, his comment that "Neither of us wants to get in the situation where
when we drop off the kids, we can't look at each other." is an interesting one.

"We're truly committed to maintaining a good relationship, but not a marriage."? Why should he
take that commitment any more seriously than his wedding vows?

Divorce tends to run in families, so to speak. I rather wondered a couple years ago whether he and
Kik would stay together very long.

The other interesting comment, by her, was in reference to his celebrity. Which could mean many
things, particularly that she prefers to keep out of the public eye, while he can't. Then there's
the groupies...

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oyvey1948 said:

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It's official: cyclingnews.comnewsOpen ↗

Now y'all can start arguing about how it will affect the 2004 Tour.

My opinion, which is worth far less than &euro;0.02: I think it could actually help Lance by
taking some of the stress off him.

cheers, Jeff

Being that he didn't have much of a positive paternal influence, one wonders how it may affect
his future relationship with his kids. Since Armstrong has a reputation for being less than
tolerant to riders he doesn't like, his comment that "Neither of us wants to get in the
situation where when we drop off the kids, we can't look at each other." is an interesting one.

"We're truly committed to maintaining a good relationship, but not a marriage."? Why should he
take that commitment any more seriously than his wedding vows?

Divorce tends to run in families, so to speak. I rather wondered a couple years ago whether he and
Kik would stay together very long.

Jeez, maybe we can get you on the Montel Williams show, they're looking for another mind reader.

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The other interesting comment, by her, was in reference to his celebrity. Which could mean many
things, particularly that she prefers to keep out of the public eye, while he can't. Then
there's the

groupies...

Yeah you got to watch out for those groupies, she may be screwing their brains out.

Dashii

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I believe the parents of the Columbine kids were married. If you are getting information from that
wacko Michael Moore, get another source.

If you want a real connection check out the medications the kids are on. There have been reports
that a lot fo the kids who go on shooting sprees

are

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on Ritalin or other psychoactive drugs.

Ritalin is not a psychoactive drug, Mr gifted child.

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Drugging kids is a real problem in the US. Get a bored kid in school who acts out and the
teachers want to sedate them (Ritalin) so they will behave; this is easier that finding

ways

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to challenge kids.

Sure just let them do anything that they want to, kill the family, shoot up the school, cool!

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When I was young, I was bored in school and acted out a lot.

Needed your ass kicked.

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Thankfully the medications were not around and a teacher who had taught one of my

siblings

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got me tested. Found out I was reading about 4 grade levels up and math skills were about the
same. I was put into other classes with "gifted"

kids

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and flourished--no more behavior problems since I was being challenged.

And now you are a member of the Special Olympics team, congradulations.

Dashii

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Credibility is an issue here.

Dumbass -

When people get divorced, suddenly they're not credible?

Dashi Toshii said:

Ritalin is not a psychoactive drug, Mr gifted child.

Wow. Methylphenidate is not psychoactive? It changes CNS levels of neuromodulators by increasing
Dopamine levels, and it's not psychoactive? What do you call psychoactive, then?

Didier

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Well, sure, compare and contrast, then tell Dr. Bronner about it! : )

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Jeff Potter said:

How often are killer-kids parents divorced? How often are valedictorian-kids parents married?

What about the valedictorians who are killer-kids?

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I believe the parents of the Columbine kids were married. If you are getting information from that
wacko Michael Moore, get another source.

If you want a real connection check out the medications the kids are on. There have been reports
that a lot fo the kids who go on shooting sprees are on Ritalin or other psychoactive drugs.
Drugging kids is a real problem in the US. Get a bored kid in school who acts out and the
teachers want to sedate them (Ritalin) so they will behave; this is easier that finding ways to
challenge kids.

When I was young, I was bored in school and acted out a lot. Thankfully the medications were not
around and a teacher who had taught one of my siblings got me tested. Found out I was reading
about 4 grade levels up and math skills were about the same. I was put into other classes with
"gifted" kids and flourished--no more behavior problems since I was being challenged.

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But are their economies booming like ours (was)?

Maybe it's how our divorces are combined with lifestyles based on

religion,

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multilevel marketing, SUVs, tv, videogames, pro-sports, huge commutes, overtime, and casinos
that give us that special something extra.

How often are killer-kids parents divorced? How often are

valedictorian-kids

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parents married? ---No relation, I know.

trg said:

Nah, must be something in the water in the good ol' US of A. Other industrialized countries
have even more never married and divorced

families

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and their kids don't go "Columbining".

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First off let me go on a rant. I hate how people post on message boards with out doing even a simple
validity check. Even as someone who has written research papers on Ritalin I double checked my
statements before writing what will follow. 30 seconds with you friend google will stop you from
looking like a jackass. Both this poster and the poster who replied were wrong and could have
figured this out with the aforementioned 30 seconds of research.

Ritalin is a stimulant (not a sedative). It is also a psychoactive. These two statements combine to
support Sam thesis. However he does little to back it up Ritalin being an amphetamine-like substance
(Note: some of the newer ADHD meds are actually amphetamines) has many of the same common side
effects as other amphetamines, such as insomnia, nervernous, blood pressure and pulse changes.
Obviously more rare but well documented Ritalin has also been known to cause Paranioa and Psycotic
episodes, not shokingly, just like amphetamines. Further here are some other little factiods:

-Ritalin helps everyone focus ADHD or not. -Cocaine works well for this too. In fact lots of ADHD
adults use it to "self medicate" -While there are short term benifits to Ritalin use, i.e. teachers
report the kids are less anoying. Long term benefits are debatbly pretty much nil as Ritalin doesn't
treat the actual symtoms of ADHD that make success dificult (disorginization, a reluctance to
complete tasks, depression etc.) for ADHD kids, it simply makes a quieter more managable failure.
-Ritalin being an a fairly potent stimulant with decent sized "time released" doasages, essentially
gives ADHD kids a a free "party" in a bottle if they can beat the time release mechanism (simply
being grinding it up and snorting it).
- There are some reports that long term ritalin use actually might change the experession of the
gene c-fos. Which could actually make symptoms worse.

I guess that should be enough...

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Credibility is an issue here.

Dumbass -

When people get divorced, suddenly they're not credible?

WRT relationships? Yes.

DSMF

I might point out that the kids who committed the worst high school massacre in American history
(Columbine High School in Jefferson County, Colorado) both came from families in which their parents
are still married. If the original poster is saying that divorce causes these things, what does it
say when it's the kids in "Unbroken" homes who commit the crimes? (tongue planted firmly in cheek
there, so relax!)

Marianne

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Boyd Speerschneider said:

Jeff Potter <[email hidden]> wrote in
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Columbines'R'Us!

(much snipped blather here; go easy on the coffee, JP!)

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Nice logic there Jeff:

X's parents get divorced -> X goes on a killing spree.

Think about it also for one second. How many school shootings are there each year? Now, how many
children have divorced parents? You do the math.

- Boyd S knows plenty of former latch key kids with divorced parents who are now pefectly
adjusted, normal adults.

Many of whom seem to manage to have successful

relationships/marriages, too.

"Nick Burns" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"Kurgan Gringioni" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Credibility is an issue here.

Dumbass -

When people get divorced, suddenly they're not credible?

WRT relationships? Yes.

So . . .

Everyone who has had a divorce (more than 50% of our fellow citizens will eventually get one) has no
credibility WRT to relationships.

And . . .

WTF does Armstrong's credibility on relationships have to do with any of us? or bike racing?

Kurgan Gringioni said:

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> Credibility is an issue here.

Dumbass -

When people get divorced, suddenly they're not credible?

WRT relationships? Yes.

So . . .

Everyone who has had a divorce (more than 50% of our fellow citizens will eventually get one) has
no credibility WRT to relationships.

And . . .

WTF does Armstrong's credibility on relationships have to do with any of us? or bike racing?

WTF does most of this [censored] on here have to do with bike racing??

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Ritalin is a stimulant (not a sedative). It is also a psychoactive. These two statements combine
to support Sam thesis. However he does little to back it up Ritalin being an amphetamine-like
substance (Note: some of the newer ADHD meds are actually amphetamines) has many of the same
common side effects as other amphetamines, such as insomnia, nervernous, blood pressure and pulse
changes. Obviously more rare but well documented Ritalin has also been known to cause Paranioa and
Psycotic episodes, not shokingly, just like amphetamines. Further here are some other little
factiods:

-Ritalin helps everyone focus ADHD or not. -Cocaine works well for this too. In fact lots of ADHD
adults use it to "self medicate" -While there are short term benifits to Ritalin use, i.e.
teachers report the kids are less anoying. Long term benefits are debatbly pretty much nil as
Ritalin doesn't treat the actual symtoms of ADHD that make success dificult (disorginization, a
reluctance to complete tasks, depression etc.) for ADHD kids, it simply makes a quieter more
managable failure.

Yada, yada, yada, medicate the rotten kids, if they are going to act like sociopaths, treat them
like sociopaths.

Dashii

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Dashi Toshii said:

Ritalin is not a psychoactive drug, Mr gifted child.

Wow. Methylphenidate is not psychoactive? It changes CNS levels of neuromodulators by increasing
Dopamine levels, and it's not psychoactive? What do you call psychoactive, then?

Definition: [n] a drug that can produce mood changes and distorted perceptions

Synonyms: consciousness-altering drug, mind-altering drug,
psychoactive substance

See Also: designer drug, dronabinol, drug, euphoriant, hallucinogen, hallucinogenic drug,
psychedelic drug, psychodelic drug, tetrahydrocannabinol, THC

Dashii