Dynamo advice please

Lee said:

Can you please give me some dynamo light suggestions please! I want one that has a standing light
too and that is relatively easy to fit! Could use both a front and back light...

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The Lumotec Plus for the front, oval or round as you like. The round has an amber standlight, the
oval a white one. My 'bent has the Oval Senso Plus, which has a light sensor to turn them on and off
automagically (there's a manual override). Sounds ridiculous, but having had it a couple of years I
very much like it now, and no need to wire in a switch.

You can get rear lamps too, but a battery LED lasts for sufficiently ages and isn't needing to throw
a beam so you can make do at the back with that to make purchase and fitting easier, but ultimately
a complete dynamo setup makes more sense (I use a LED on the back of the Brom as the wiring becomes
"interesting" with the fold).

Pete.

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Can you please give me some dynamo light suggestions please! I want one that has a standing light
too and that is relatively easy to fit!

Busch & Muller Lumotec Oval Plus would be my choice, it has a white standlight and is more robust
than the round Lumotec.

Do you have the dynamo yet?

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Can you please give me some dynamo light suggestions please! I want one that has a standing
light too and that is relatively easy to fit!

Busch & Muller Lumotec Oval Plus would be my choice, it has a white standlight and is more robust
than the round Lumotec.

Do you have the dynamo yet?

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Nope i have nothing at all and need a relatively cheapish setup too! Am i asking too much?

Lee said:

Nope i have nothing at all and need a relatively cheapish setup too! Am i asking too much?

Kinda depends on your definition of "cheapish", but as far as the generator itself goes I'd say
buying as cheap as you can would be a false economy. Using [censored] ones as a kid put me off them for
years! You're probably looking at a bottle-type (runs off the wheel) rather than the hub type (which
are generally held to be better by the regulars here, but cost more, even before the wheel building
expenses), but there's still good ones to be had.

Standlights don't really come cheap, I'm afraid. To save money stick with a battery LED at the
back for now, and if you can't afford a standlight up front then just mount a cheapie LED on the
bars to keep you visible when you're stopped, with the dynamo lamp giving you an actual beam when
you're moving.

The dynohub/full standlight is my favourite lighting setup (at least on a general purpose/touring
bike), but it certainly doesn't come cheap. I think it represents good value, but if you haven't got
the cash you haven't got the cash :-( Though you don't need the Complete Montgomery to have a
worthwhile dynamo system.

Pete.
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You're probably looking at a bottle-type (runs off the wheel) rather than the hub type (which are
generally held to be better by the regulars here, but cost more, even before the wheel building
expenses)

Last time I looked the Nexus was actually cheaper than the Nordlicht, the B&M and the LiteSpin.
Other shops may vary, usual disclaimers apply, but ISTM that the price of the Nexus hub dynamo is
incredibly attractive.

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Standlights don't really come cheap, I'm afraid. To save money stick with a battery LED at the
back for now, and if you can't afford a standlight up front then just mount a cheapie LED on the
bars to keep you visible when you're stopped, with the dynamo lamp giving you an actual beam when
you're moving.

Up to a point - cheap dynamo headlights are also less good than expensive ones. The best (IMO) is
the Bisy, which has no standlight anyway, but the B&M is good value. I would have the backup LED or
basic Cateye anyway, mind. I also carry a micro maglite and a spare lamp or two. The lamp for
obvious reasons, the maglite so I can see to change the bugger! Listen to the Voice of Experience
here - lamps never blow under street lights ;-)

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The dynohub/full standlight is my favourite lighting setup (at least on a general purpose/touring
bike), but it certainly doesn't come cheap. I think it represents good value, but if you haven't
got the cash you haven't got the cash :-( Though you don't need the Complete Montgomery to have a
worthwhile dynamo system.

Solution: price up the SON, gasp in horror, price up the Nexus and say "wow, that's much cheaper!" -
bingo! cheap hub dynamo. It's a frame of reference thing ;-)

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You're probably looking at a bottle-type (runs off the wheel) rather than the hub type (which
are generally held to be better by the regulars here, but cost more, even before the wheel
building expenses)

Last time I looked the Nexus was actually cheaper than the Nordlicht, the B&M and the LiteSpin.
Other shops may vary, usual disclaimers apply, but ISTM that the price of the Nexus hub dynamo is
incredibly attractive.

Quoted message said:

Standlights don't really come cheap, I'm afraid. To save money stick with a battery LED at the
back for now, and if you can't afford a standlight up front then just mount a cheapie LED on the
bars to keep you visible when you're stopped, with the dynamo lamp giving you an actual beam
when you're moving.

Up to a point - cheap dynamo headlights are also less good than expensive ones. The best (IMO) is
the Bisy, which has no standlight anyway, but the B&M is good value. I would have the backup LED
or basic Cateye anyway, mind. I also carry a micro maglite and a spare lamp or two. The lamp for
obvious reasons, the maglite so I can see to change the bugger! Listen to the Voice of Experience
here - lamps never blow under street lights ;-)

Quoted message said:

The dynohub/full standlight is my favourite lighting setup (at least on a general
purpose/touring bike), but it certainly doesn't come cheap. I think it represents good value,
but if you haven't got the cash you haven't got the cash :-( Though you don't need the Complete
Montgomery to have a worthwhile dynamo system.

Solution: price up the SON, gasp in horror, price up the Nexus and say

"wow,

Quoted message said:

that's much cheaper!" - bingo! cheap hub dynamo. It's a frame of

reference

Quoted message said:

thing ;-)

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Can you give me some sites to get these goodies from?

Peter Clinch said:

Lee said:

Nope i have nothing at all and need a relatively cheapish setup too! Am i asking too much?

Kinda depends on your definition of "cheapish", but as far as the generator itself goes I'd say
buying as cheap as you can would be a false economy.

Tacitly agreed but cheap decent ones are available. I've been using a sidewall generator branded
"Lee Sang Kao" while my Nexus is repaired. It cost the princely sum of four of four pounds and works
extremely well for the price. It rattles a bit of course and resonates weirdly at higher speeds but
doesn't seem to slip in the wet nor chew the tyre up.

*snip rest*

Regards,

-david

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Can you give me some sites to get these goodies from?

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Works for me to get started on the Nexus. For the other things try using your initiative.

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Can you give me some sites to get these goodies from?

SJS Cycles are the imnporters of the SON sjscycles.comsjscycles.comOpen ↗ - they also sell the Nexus and
others. You have to check their pricing; sometimes they are more expensive than other places.

CTC shop have a Several of different lights and bits ctcshop.co.ukctcshop.co.ukOpen ↗

Your local bike shop may also be able to do the needful.

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You're probably looking at a bottle-type (runs off the wheel) rather than the hub type (which are
generally held to be better by the regulars here, but cost more, even before the wheel building
expenses)

Last time I looked the Nexus was actually cheaper than the Nordlicht, the B&M and the LiteSpin.
Other shops may vary, usual disclaimers apply, but ISTM that the price of the Nexus hub dynamo is
incredibly attractive.

Well about GBP 50? , yes cheaper than the expensive B&M and the Lightspin, good they maybe, it
doesn't make much sense really compared to the Nexus financially - say about GBP 80-90 for a wheel
built up? (unless for some reason you don't want to change the wheel.)

But there are decent dynamos for a lot less, around GBP 20. I like the Axa HR, but the Nordlicht's
are also good.

On the topic of dynohubs, Gearshift are selling something called the 'Renak Enparlite 2 Dynohub' as
a replacement for the Nexus, though at GBP 85 its approaching SON territory

<http://www.gearshift.co.uk/acatalog/Dynamos.html>

Anyone no anything about this?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Standlights don't really come cheap, I'm afraid. To save money stick with a battery LED at the
back for now, and if you can't afford a standlight up front then just mount a cheapie LED

Up to a point - cheap dynamo headlights are also less good than expensive ones. The best (IMO) is
the Bisy, which has no standlight anyway, but the B&M is good value. I would have the backup LED or
basic Cateye anyway, mind.

I've always been a bit lax about a front standlight, next time I need to buy a front lamp maybe. I
rather like the little Hella Micro -FF lamp myself,. BTW Guy I've heard you mention the Bisy before,
what do you consider is so good about it. (and where do they come from, I don't seem to have ever
seen them anywhere)

Spa cycles sell AXA front lamps, for about GBP10 which are fine, if not quite so good. - They are
probably the cheapest for the Axa dynamo

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

The dynohub/full standlight is my favourite lighting setup (at least on a general purpose/touring
bike), but it certainly doesn't come cheap. I think it represents good value, but if you haven't
got the cash you haven't got the cash :-(

Quoted message said:

Solution: price up the SON, gasp in horror, price up the Nexus and say "wow, that's much cheaper!"
- bingo! cheap hub dynamo. It's a frame of reference thing ;-)

Indeed, but we still aren't talking cheap :-)

My suggestion for a fairly priced, but still reasonable system:

Axa HR Traction Dynamo about GBP 17-18 AXA front lamp about GBP 10 Hella RL980 rear LED lamp
about GBP 15

Say about GBP 45 with a little bit of cable as well. You could also replace the 2.4 W bulb with a 3W
bulb for a bit of extra light.

Improvements to that would probably be a B&M 6 Dynamo at around GBP30 or so and a Lumotec front
light with standlight.

But I would go first for an extra rear LED and front LED for backup. A Vistalite 5 LED on the rear
for about GBP10 and one of the Cateye front LEDs.
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"Peter Clinch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

You're probably looking at a bottle-type (runs off the wheel) rather than the hub type (which
are generally held to be better by the

regulars

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

here, but cost more, even before the wheel building expenses)

Last time I looked the Nexus was actually cheaper than the Nordlicht, the B&M and the LiteSpin.
Other shops may vary, usual disclaimers apply, but ISTM that the price of the Nexus hub dynamo is
incredibly attractive.

Well about GBP 50? , yes cheaper than the expensive B&M and the Lightspin, good they maybe, it
doesn't make much sense really compared to the Nexus financially - say about GBP 80-90 for a wheel
built up? (unless for some reason you don't want to change the wheel.)

But there are decent dynamos for a lot less, around GBP 20. I like the Axa HR, but the Nordlicht's
are also good.

On the topic of dynohubs, Gearshift are selling something called the 'Renak Enparlite 2 Dynohub'
as a replacement for the Nexus, though at GBP 85 its approaching SON territory

<http://www.gearshift.co.uk/acatalog/Dynamos.html>

Anyone no anything about this?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Standlights don't really come cheap, I'm afraid. To save money stick with a battery LED at the
back for now, and if you can't afford a standlight up front then just mount a cheapie LED

Up to a point - cheap dynamo headlights are also less good than expensive ones. The best (IMO) is
the Bisy, which has no standlight anyway, but

the

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

B&M is good value. I would have the backup LED or basic Cateye anyway, mind.

I've always been a bit lax about a front standlight, next time I need to buy a front lamp maybe. I
rather like the little Hella Micro -FF lamp myself,. BTW Guy I've heard you mention the Bisy
before, what do you consider is so good about it. (and where do they come from, I don't seem to
have ever seen them anywhere)

Spa cycles sell AXA front lamps, for about GBP10 which are fine, if not quite so good. - They are
probably the cheapest for the Axa dynamo

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

The dynohub/full standlight is my favourite lighting setup (at least on a general
purpose/touring bike), but it certainly doesn't come cheap.

I

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

think it represents good value, but if you haven't got the cash you haven't got the cash :-(

Quoted message said:

Solution: price up the SON, gasp in horror, price up the Nexus and say

"wow,

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

that's much cheaper!" - bingo! cheap hub dynamo. It's a frame of

reference

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

thing ;-)

Indeed, but we still aren't talking cheap :-)

My suggestion for a fairly priced, but still reasonable system:

Axa HR Traction Dynamo about GBP 17-18 AXA front lamp about GBP 10 Hella RL980 rear LED lamp
about GBP 15

Say about GBP 45 with a little bit of cable as well. You could also replace the 2.4 W bulb with a
3W bulb for a bit of extra light.

Improvements to that would probably be a B&M 6 Dynamo at around GBP30 or so and a Lumotec front
light with standlight.

But I would go first for an extra rear LED and front LED for backup. A Vistalite 5 LED on the rear
for about GBP10 and one of the Cateye front LEDs.
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Thanks Chris thats about what i want to spend - ill do some diggin :-)

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Can you give me some sites to get these goodies from?

SJS Cycles are the imnporters of the SON sjscycles.comsjscycles.comOpen ↗ - they also sell the Nexus and
others. You have to check their pricing; sometimes they are more expensive than other places.

CTC shop have a Several of different lights and bits ctcshop.co.ukctcshop.co.ukOpen ↗

Your local bike shop may also be able to do the needful.

Spa are good for some stuff as well esp. Axa, website isn't much cop, but they are very helpful:
01423 887003.

Also Gearshift:

<http://www.gearshift.co.uk/>

One further point, best way to mount a sidewall dynamo if you have canti bosses (unless you have a
braze on) is with a Zinkens Dynashoe bracket. Bolts to the canti boss and fits against the fork
blade and give a secure mounting. The CTC shop for one sells them.
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I've heard you mention the Bisy before, what do you consider is so good about it. (and where do
they come from, I don't seem to have ever seen them anywhere)

You get them from m-gineering.nlm-gineering.nlOpen ↗ - they have the same optics as the SON E6 headlight,
which is the good bit. Riding along with various audaxers I have noticed that the Bisy puts more
light where you want it than any other lamp.

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I've heard you mention the Bisy before, what do you consider is so good about it. (and where do
they come from, I don't seem to have ever seen them anywhere)

You get them from m-gineering.nlm-gineering.nlOpen ↗ - they have the same optics as the SON E6 headlight,
which is the good bit. Riding along with various audaxers I have noticed that the Bisy puts more
light where you want it than any other lamp.

Thanks for that, the comparative beam shots were useful. It certainly looks good.

Anyone tried running a twin lamp (two 6V lamps in series) 12V setup as they describe?
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Lee said:

Can you give me some sites to get these goodies from?

www.bicycles.de, or something like it.

For dynamos (and some other things), they seem to cost fewer euros from Germany than pounds from the
UK, even including postage and whatnot.

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Lee said:

Can you please give me some dynamo light suggestions please! I want one that has a standing
light too and that is relatively easy to fit! Could

use

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both a front and back light...

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Or somewhat cheaper from www.bike-components.de

Regards Simon

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Solution: price up the SON, gasp in horror, price up the Nexus and say "wow, that's much cheaper!"
- bingo! cheap hub dynamo. It's a frame of reference thing ;-)

I did that, and gasped at the Nexus price as well, then bought a perfect one on Ebay, built into a
wheel, for about 30 or your earth pounds. Here's one, not in a wheel, but cheap:
cgi.ebay.deeBayISAPI.dllOpen ↗

I'm constantly scanning Ebays around the world for a Rohloff Speedhub going cheap, then I'll have my
perfect winter commuter...

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Anyone tried running a twin lamp (two 6V lamps in series) 12V setup as they describe?

Yes, it works tolerably well.

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Here's one, not in a wheel, but cheap:

cgi.ebay.deeBayISAPI.dllOpen ↗

Caution: the Nexus has improved at some point in its history. That said, the one shown appears to be
the newer version, and with the QR axle as well.

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