Flexibility

On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 17:16:39 GMT, "David" <[email hidden]>

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On Tue, 17 Jan 2006 02:44:15 +1000, "David" <[email hidden]>

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>>"John" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>>> "Willow" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>>>> That is very cool!
>>>>
>>>> Flexibility has never been a problem for me, quite the contrary I'm
>>>> too
>>>> flexible (used to train as a contorsionist, all flexibility no muscle
>>>> training.. not a good idea) but I might suggest that you look into
>>>> yoga.
>>>>
>>>> Ok Yoga isn't manly or testoterone-ly revealing, but it's a good way
>>>> to
>>>> develop flexibility and "inner core strenght". whether you go for the
>>>> philosophy that comes with it or not, I think there a lot to be
>>>> gained
>>>> by
>>>> expanding one's fitness "areas".
>>>>
>>>> I'll teach you yoga and you help me be less of a wimp with weights..
>>> *sigh*
>>>
>>> I don't believe you're that flexible. You need to post naked jpegs
>>> proving
>>> me otherwise.
>>>
>>I'm embarrassed by this blockhead, Willow. We certainly don't need naked
>>jpegs. Please accept my apology! (maybe you can just show us your
>>[censored]??)
>>
>
> Now that's funny! ;o)

See - now you are enabling the enabler!

But I am entitled to, given that I have been appointed by the

That's like pulling rank, right?

Yep; at ease soldier; if ya gottem - smokem!

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I'm worried my flexibility isn't what it should be, and wanted to find
some good information on stretches and the like, so that I could
establish a better, regular stretching routine.

Does anyone know any good sites or sources that provide information
that's on a good stretching routine for weight training?

I've had a good google, but single source information of quality seems
hard to come by.

"Relax Into Stretch" by Pavel - everything you need to know, nothing you
don't:
http://www.kbnj.com/ris.htm

"Super Joints" by Pavel - focus on joint health, many similar movements,
the two make a great pair:
http://www.kbnj.com/sj.htm

My morning warmup is based on SJ, and my cooldown and/or my evening
stretching session based on RIS.

Picture of my in July, 2005, at "Unlock" weekend workshop, getting a
little "friendly persuasion" from Pavel on my side split.

http://www.kbnj.com/SteveUnlockSplit.jpg

There are a couple of recent threads on flexibility on DragonDoor but
their site seems to be down at the moment - regular link is
http://www.forum.dragondoor.com

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com

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I'm worried my flexibility isn't what it should be, and wanted to
find some good information on stretches and the like, so that I could
establish a better, regular stretching routine.

Does anyone know any good sites or sources that provide information
that's on a good stretching routine for weight training?

I've had a good google, but single source information of quality
seems hard to come by.

"Relax Into Stretch" by Pavel - everything you need to know, nothing
you don't:
http://www.kbnj.com/ris.htm

"Super Joints" by Pavel - focus on joint health, many similar
movements, the two make a great pair:
http://www.kbnj.com/sj.htm

My morning warmup is based on SJ, and my cooldown and/or my evening
stretching session based on RIS.

Picture of my in July, 2005, at "Unlock" weekend workshop, getting a
little "friendly persuasion" from Pavel on my side split.

http://www.kbnj.com/SteveUnlockSplit.jpg

There are a couple of recent threads on flexibility on DragonDoor but
their site seems to be down at the moment - regular link is
http://www.forum.dragondoor.com

Here's a thread for you - site is up now. Question about Pavel's method
versus Kurz and others:
http://forum.dragondoor.com/training/message/380865

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com

Willow said:

Flexibility has never been a problem for me, quite the contrary I'm too
flexible (used to train as a contorsionist, all flexibility no muscle
training.. not a good idea)

I want you Willow...

John said:

I don't believe you're that flexible. You need to post naked jpegs proving
me otherwise.

i got them, I'll forward them on to you.

On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 17:16:39 GMT, "David" <[email hidden]>

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That's like pulling rank, right?

It's pulling something ok...

Willow said:

That is very cool!

Flexibility has never been a problem for me, quite the contrary I'm too
flexible (used to train as a contorsionist, all flexibility no muscle
training.. not a good idea) but I might suggest that you look into yoga.

Ok Yoga isn't manly or testoterone-ly revealing, but it's a good way to
develop flexibility and "inner core strenght". whether you go for the
philosophy that comes with it or not, I think there a lot to be gained by
expanding one's fitness "areas".

I'll teach you yoga and you help me be less of a wimp with weights.. *sigh*

Any comments on these articles, Willow?
Acquiring flexibility has become a "must do" thing for me.

http://home.comcast.net/~joandbryce/flexo.html

http://home.comcast.net/~joandbryce/bryceomet.htm

http://home.comcast.net/~joandbryce/bridgeandwalkover.htm

Here's a tip from me. Bookmark these pages -

http://home.comcast.net/~joandbryce/

http://b_movie.tripod.com/in_shape.htm

Oh my.. of such stuff nightmares are made..

--
Will~

"... so that's how liberty ends, in a round of applause."

Queen Amidala, The revenge of the Syth.

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"David" <[email hidden]> wrote
> "John" <[email hidden]> wrote
> > "Willow" <[email hidden]> wrote
> >> That is very cool!
> >>
> >> Flexibility has never been a problem for me, quite the contrary I'm
> >> too
> >> flexible (used to train as a contorsionist, all flexibility no

muscle

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> >> training.. not a good idea) but I might suggest that you look into
yoga.
> >>
> >> Ok Yoga isn't manly or testoterone-ly revealing, but it's a good

way

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> >> to
> >> develop flexibility and "inner core strenght". whether you go for

the

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> >> philosophy that comes with it or not, I think there a lot to be
> >> gained
by
> >> expanding one's fitness "areas".
> >>
> >> I'll teach you yoga and you help me be less of a wimp with

weights..

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> > *sigh*
> >
> > I don't believe you're that flexible. You need to post naked jpegs
proving
> > me otherwise.
> >
> I'm embarrassed by this blockhead, Willow. We certainly don't need

naked

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> jpegs. Please accept my apology! (maybe you can just show us your
> [censored]??)

LOL. This is why I return to this NG.

She seems like a good sport . . . (worth taking a shot)

You, me, and John will show her ours, in return, just to be fair.

David

Don't you go a oggle my dog !!!

ain't she the cutest?

--
Will~

"... so that's how liberty ends, in a round of applause."

Queen Amidala, The revenge of the Syth.

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David Cohen said:

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"John" <[email hidden]> wrote
> "David" <[email hidden]> wrote
>> "John" <[email hidden]> wrote
>> > "Willow" <[email hidden]> wrote
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>> >> I'll teach you yoga and you help me be less of a wimp with

weights..

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>> >> *sigh*
>> >
>> > I don't believe you're that flexible. You need to post naked jpegs
>> > proving me otherwise.
>> >
>> I'm embarrassed by this blockhead, Willow. We certainly don't need

naked

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>> jpegs. Please accept my apology! (maybe you can just show us your
>> [censored]??)
>
> LOL. This is why I return to this NG.
>
She seems like a good sport . . . (worth taking a shot)

You, me, and John will show her ours, in return, just to be fair.

I've already seen her pics. She looks pretty good in the
belly-dancing pic, but Cohen would probably like the ones with her and
her dog. You dimwits just need to learn where to look.

And I don't need to post mine in return because they've been up and
available for years.

Keep dreaming sweety

--
Will~

"... so that's how liberty ends, in a round of applause."

Queen Amidala, The revenge of the Syth.

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Willow said:

Flexibility has never been a problem for me, quite the contrary I'm too
flexible (used to train as a contorsionist, all flexibility no muscle
training.. not a good idea)

I want you Willow...

I think that if you're really serious about acquiring flexibility, you
should get help. It looks very easy and safe but it is not. If you don't
know what you're doing you can very easily hurt yourself, your back being
the first thing that comes to mind.

On the other hand, if you look at those exercise (I didn't have time to look
them all up to be honest) some are easy and can be done alone or even better
with a buddy (if only to pick you up if you get stuck ;op), if you're
careful. The main thing is that you want to warm up before you stretch and
make sure that you're stretching just shy of your limit (not at maximum
stretch) and holding.

I never worked flexibility with weights, one because I'm just plain not
strong enough, and two, if you overdo it there's some serious damage
possibilities there. I'd be wary of any move that is not fully controlled,
you need to make sure that you have a safe way back to neutral.

Those links look interesting. Start small and easy, of even better take a
few classes or a few session with a GOOD personal trainer (rare around here
!!!)

More than anything, as with everything else, be patient and consistent. If
you are very strong, it'll take longer to get flexible. As an adult there'll
be limits that you might not be able to pass. It's a good thing, having a
shoulder that jumps out of its socket has never done me any good.. :o/

--
Will~

"... so that's how liberty ends, in a round of applause."

Queen Amidala, The revenge of the Syth.

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Willow said:

That is very cool!

Flexibility has never been a problem for me, quite the contrary I'm too
flexible (used to train as a contorsionist, all flexibility no muscle
training.. not a good idea) but I might suggest that you look into yoga.

Ok Yoga isn't manly or testoterone-ly revealing, but it's a good way to
develop flexibility and "inner core strenght". whether you go for the
philosophy that comes with it or not, I think there a lot to be gained by
expanding one's fitness "areas".

I'll teach you yoga and you help me be less of a wimp with weights..

*sigh*

Quoted message said:

Any comments on these articles, Willow?
Acquiring flexibility has become a "must do" thing for me.

http://home.comcast.net/~joandbryce/flexo.html

http://home.comcast.net/~joandbryce/bryceomet.htm

http://home.comcast.net/~joandbryce/bridgeandwalkover.htm

Here's a tip from me. Bookmark these pages -

http://home.comcast.net/~joandbryce/

http://b_movie.tripod.com/in_shape.htm

"Willow" <[email hidden]> wrote

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Don't you go a oggle my dog !!!

ain't she the cutest?

Please provide a link to a website with photos of the dog. Thank you.

By the way, this is NON top posting. See, putting stuff down here. We, the
ruling star chamber of the International Zionist Cabal prefer it this way.

David

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I'm worried my flexibility isn't what it should be, and wanted to find
some good information on stretches and the like, so that I could
establish a better, regular stretching routine.

Does anyone know any good sites or sources that provide information
that's on a good stretching routine for weight training?

I've had a good google, but single source information of quality seems
hard to come by.

"Relax Into Stretch" by Pavel - everything you need to know, nothing you
don't:
http://www.kbnj.com/ris.htm

"Super Joints" by Pavel - focus on joint health, many similar movements,
the two make a great pair:
http://www.kbnj.com/sj.htm

My morning warmup is based on SJ, and my cooldown and/or my evening
stretching session based on RIS.

Picture of my in July, 2005, at "Unlock" weekend workshop, getting a
little "friendly persuasion" from Pavel on my side split.

http://www.kbnj.com/SteveUnlockSplit.jpg

There are a couple of recent threads on flexibility on DragonDoor but
their site seems to be down at the moment - regular link is
http://www.forum.dragondoor.com

Here's a thread for you - site is up now. Question about Pavel's method
versus Kurz and others:
http://forum.dragondoor.com/training/message/380865

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com

Thanks.

Willow said:

Don't you go a oggle my dog !!!

ain't she the cutest?

Hey, this is a dog newsgroup, dincha know?

Willow said:

Oh my.. of such stuff nightmares are made..

Oh c'mon now, you can't be that ugly.

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Willow said:

Don't you go a oggle my dog !!!

ain't she the cutest?

Don't leave him alone with her, or he'll do more than "oogle" her.

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Willow said:

Keep dreaming sweety

You want me too, so why don't we just "do it"?

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"Willow" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I think that if you're really serious about acquiring flexibility, you
should get help. It looks very easy and safe but it is not. If you
don't
know what you're doing you can very easily hurt yourself, your back
being
the first thing that comes to mind.

-snip-

Bryce knows his stuff and has both the strength and the flexibility to
back what he says. He is a trainer who works with a variety of people
so he's had a chance to try what he's suggesting on more than just
himself.

The question really is about finding what will work for you. I bought
Pavel's first book on joint health and flexibility, entitled "Beyond
Stretching", and while the information in it was complete, somehow I
just didn't get it and I didn't really make any progress. The preface
to "Relax Into Stretch", if I remember it right, was interesting - it
basically said that in the time since the earlier book came out, he'd
been getting feedback from people and teaching workshops, and from that
he threw out what didn't seem to help people, changed the way he
presented some things, etc., all in the interest of providing a more
effective program. Pavel's materials are about what works - although
there's some theory explained, it's mostly "do this, then do that - and
if you can't do exercise #2 without such and such form break, stop and
go back and work on #1 until you can." Simple, concise, effective.

Safety is a relative thing here - I don't think anyone worked hard at
becoming more flexible without at least a few minor strains along the
way, no different than I don't think anyone became very strong without
suffering an injury or two in the process. But I do _not_ think working
on flexibility should be considered risky business, particularly for
one's back - if it was, I sure wouldn't be doing it with my history of a
bad back.

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com

I guess it depends on how far you take flexibility. As a trained
contorsionist I've seen several injuries that went beyond the "normal
strains" of just training oneself. My shoulder being a good exemple since it
never really recovered..

I'm no trainer, and certainly no expert, just trying to give what little
help I can.

My point is just start slow and easy until you know what you're doing. You
don't start building muscles by doing bicepts curls with 250 lbs, and trying
to do so would be dangerous (though it wouldn't be dangerous for me since it
would never move ;op ).. same thing goes with flexibility. If you're very
stiff you don't want to do a straight drop in a back bend on the first work
out.

I saw a trainer ask a customer (who happened to be a member of mine) to just
do a back bend over a bench on the first try without checking how flexible
the person was or anything.. 2 weeks later he was still hurting..

--
Will~

"... so that's how liberty ends, in a round of applause."

Queen Amidala, The revenge of the Syth.

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"Willow" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I think that if you're really serious about acquiring flexibility, you
should get help. It looks very easy and safe but it is not. If you
don't
know what you're doing you can very easily hurt yourself, your back
being
the first thing that comes to mind.

-snip-

Bryce knows his stuff and has both the strength and the flexibility to
back what he says. He is a trainer who works with a variety of people
so he's had a chance to try what he's suggesting on more than just
himself.

The question really is about finding what will work for you. I bought
Pavel's first book on joint health and flexibility, entitled "Beyond
Stretching", and while the information in it was complete, somehow I
just didn't get it and I didn't really make any progress. The preface
to "Relax Into Stretch", if I remember it right, was interesting - it
basically said that in the time since the earlier book came out, he'd
been getting feedback from people and teaching workshops, and from that
he threw out what didn't seem to help people, changed the way he
presented some things, etc., all in the interest of providing a more
effective program. Pavel's materials are about what works - although
there's some theory explained, it's mostly "do this, then do that - and
if you can't do exercise #2 without such and such form break, stop and
go back and work on #1 until you can." Simple, concise, effective.

Safety is a relative thing here - I don't think anyone worked hard at
becoming more flexible without at least a few minor strains along the
way, no different than I don't think anyone became very strong without
suffering an injury or two in the process. But I do _not_ think working
on flexibility should be considered risky business, particularly for
one's back - if it was, I sure wouldn't be doing it with my history of a
bad back.

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com

"Willow" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I guess it depends on how far you take flexibility. As a trained
contorsionist

!!! - tell us more!

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I've seen several injuries that went beyond the "normal
strains" of just training oneself. My shoulder being a good exemple
since it
never really recovered..

I'm no trainer, and certainly no expert, just trying to give what
little
help I can.

My point is just start slow and easy until you know what you're doing.
You
don't start building muscles by doing bicepts curls with 250 lbs, and
trying
to do so would be dangerous (though it wouldn't be dangerous for me
since it
would never move ;op ).. same thing goes with flexibility. If you're
very
stiff you don't want to do a straight drop in a back bend on the first
work
out.

I saw a trainer ask a customer (who happened to be a member of mine)
to just
do a back bend over a bench on the first try without checking how
flexible
the person was or anything.. 2 weeks later he was still hurting..

I could not agree with you more. One of the things about the "Party"
approach is that safety is considered an integral part of the program.
"Relax Into Stretch,", in at least one spot, says that if you're trying
a particular move and your form doesn't meet the minimums, go back to
the previous page and work on that one more. That's the kind of
progression and advice that should keep people safe if they follow it.
It worked well for me - I went from not being able to touch my ankles
let alone my toes all the way to putting my palms on the floor and doing
about 90% of the split I can do now, and all in the space of maybe six
months - just a steady, gradual progression, focusing on one of the
things Bryce talks about in his web page on this, building strength in
the extremes of ROM.

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com

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--
Will~

"... so that's how liberty ends, in a round of applause."

Queen Amidala, The revenge of the Syth.

"Steve Freides" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"Willow" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I think that if you're really serious about acquiring flexibility,
you
should get help. It looks very easy and safe but it is not. If you
don't
know what you're doing you can very easily hurt yourself, your back
being
the first thing that comes to mind.

-snip-

Bryce knows his stuff and has both the strength and the flexibility
to
back what he says. He is a trainer who works with a variety of
people
so he's had a chance to try what he's suggesting on more than just
himself.

The question really is about finding what will work for you. I
bought
Pavel's first book on joint health and flexibility, entitled "Beyond
Stretching", and while the information in it was complete, somehow I
just didn't get it and I didn't really make any progress. The
preface
to "Relax Into Stretch", if I remember it right, was interesting - it
basically said that in the time since the earlier book came out, he'd
been getting feedback from people and teaching workshops, and from
that
he threw out what didn't seem to help people, changed the way he
presented some things, etc., all in the interest of providing a more
effective program. Pavel's materials are about what works - although
there's some theory explained, it's mostly "do this, then do that -
and
if you can't do exercise #2 without such and such form break, stop
and
go back and work on #1 until you can." Simple, concise, effective.

Safety is a relative thing here - I don't think anyone worked hard at
becoming more flexible without at least a few minor strains along the
way, no different than I don't think anyone became very strong
without
suffering an injury or two in the process. But I do _not_ think
working
on flexibility should be considered risky business, particularly for
one's back - if it was, I sure wouldn't be doing it with my history
of a
bad back.

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com