Sounds good for real...
Right now I'm trying to build up some, mainly to compensate for too much
flexibility, but I'm planning on going back to "stretch training" when I've
got some strength built up.
--
Will~
"... so that's how liberty ends, in a round of applause."
Queen Amidala, The revenge of the Syth.
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Quoted message said:"Willow" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...Quoted message said:I guess it depends on how far you take flexibility. As a trained
contorsionist!!! - tell us more!
Quoted message said:I've seen several injuries that went beyond the "normal
strains" of just training oneself. My shoulder being a good exemple
since it
never really recovered..I'm no trainer, and certainly no expert, just trying to give what
little
help I can.My point is just start slow and easy until you know what you're doing.
You
don't start building muscles by doing bicepts curls with 250 lbs, and
trying
to do so would be dangerous (though it wouldn't be dangerous for me
since it
would never move ;op ).. same thing goes with flexibility. If you're
very
stiff you don't want to do a straight drop in a back bend on the first
work
out.I saw a trainer ask a customer (who happened to be a member of mine)
to just
do a back bend over a bench on the first try without checking how
flexible
the person was or anything.. 2 weeks later he was still hurting..I could not agree with you more. One of the things about the "Party"
approach is that safety is considered an integral part of the program.
"Relax Into Stretch,", in at least one spot, says that if you're trying
a particular move and your form doesn't meet the minimums, go back to
the previous page and work on that one more. That's the kind of
progression and advice that should keep people safe if they follow it.
It worked well for me - I went from not being able to touch my ankles
let alone my toes all the way to putting my palms on the floor and doing
about 90% of the split I can do now, and all in the space of maybe six
months - just a steady, gradual progression, focusing on one of the
things Bryce talks about in his web page on this, building strength in
the extremes of ROM.Quoted message said:--
Will~"... so that's how liberty ends, in a round of applause."
Queen Amidala, The revenge of the Syth.
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>I think that if you're really serious about acquiring flexibility,
>you
> should get help. It looks very easy and safe but it is not. If you
> don't
> know what you're doing you can very easily hurt yourself, your back
> being
> the first thing that comes to mind.-snip-
Bryce knows his stuff and has both the strength and the flexibility
to
back what he says. He is a trainer who works with a variety of
people
so he's had a chance to try what he's suggesting on more than just
himself.The question really is about finding what will work for you. I
bought
Pavel's first book on joint health and flexibility, entitled "Beyond
Stretching", and while the information in it was complete, somehow I
just didn't get it and I didn't really make any progress. The
preface
to "Relax Into Stretch", if I remember it right, was interesting - it
basically said that in the time since the earlier book came out, he'd
been getting feedback from people and teaching workshops, and from
that
he threw out what didn't seem to help people, changed the way he
presented some things, etc., all in the interest of providing a more
effective program. Pavel's materials are about what works - although
there's some theory explained, it's mostly "do this, then do that -
and
if you can't do exercise #2 without such and such form break, stop
and
go back and work on #1 until you can." Simple, concise, effective.Safety is a relative thing here - I don't think anyone worked hard at
becoming more flexible without at least a few minor strains along the
way, no different than I don't think anyone became very strong
without
suffering an injury or two in the process. But I do _not_ think
working
on flexibility should be considered risky business, particularly for
one's back - if it was, I sure wouldn't be doing it with my history
of a
bad back.