Can drinking excess water effect?

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kumar said:

Hello,

Some people drink lot of water whereas other lesser. Drinking lot of
water may result excreting lot of urine. Many bio-chemicals may be
excreted and lost in urine and those may be in excess to renal
threshold and absorption limits. Loosing lot of sugar, probably may
trigger body to maintain compensatory energy stores may be as fats.

No. Doesn't work that way.

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Can you tell me the effects of drinking excess or less water on body's
bio-chemistry? Can drinking excess water be harmful to body?

If taken in high enough quantities, water intoxication can occur, but
that is rare and hard to achieve. When inhaled, water is almost always
fatal.

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What should be natural intake of water to us?

Enough to satisfy thirst.

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"The truth is, too much water and not enough salt can kill you. Most
people know that dehydration can cause serious health consequences.
What most don't realize is that too much of a good thing - WATER
- can also be dangerous, even deadly.

They call it WATER INTOXICATION or more technically HYPONATREMIA. It
happens when the body's balance of salt and water become quickly
diluted. It affects the production of nerve impulses, and impairs
mental processes. Cells take on extra water and expand. As they swell,
they put stress on the body's organs, particularly the brain, which
has little room to expand within the skull. Sometimes Hyponatremia is
caused by an underlying medical condition. "
http://www.alpharubicon.com/med/watertox.html

The above link tells about water intoxication--Hyponatremia. It can
cause many problems esp. increase in cell volume. I think it may effect
other minerals related to or dependent on Sodium level--K, Ca, Mg, P .
Low sodium may be related to acid/base water level. But I am esp.
looking for its effect on fats storage. What excess water intake will
cause to glucose and fats levels? Can water intoxication cause edema
due to increase in cell volume or decreased filteration in kidneys due
this this cell volume increase? Whether excess urine excretion
increases or lowers the glucose level in healthy or diabetic person?

REP said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

kumar said:

Hello,

Some people drink lot of water whereas other lesser. Drinking lot of
water may result excreting lot of urine. Many bio-chemicals may be
excreted and lost in urine and those may be in excess to renal
threshold and absorption limits. Loosing lot of sugar, probably may
trigger body to maintain compensatory energy stores may be as fats.

No. Doesn't work that way.

Quoted message said:

Can you tell me the effects of drinking excess or less water on body's
bio-chemistry? Can drinking excess water be harmful to body?

If taken in high enough quantities, water intoxication can occur, but
that is rare and hard to achieve. When inhaled, water is almost always
fatal.

Quoted message said:

What should be natural intake of water to us?

Enough to satisfy thirst.

--
"Did Father shoot him? I will eat Grandfather for dinner."
- Helen Keller, on learning of the death of her grandfather

In article <[email hidden]>,

kumar said:

The above link tells about water intoxication--Hyponatremia. It can
cause many problems esp. increase in cell volume. I think it may effect
other minerals related to or dependent on Sodium level--K, Ca, Mg, P .
Low sodium may be related to acid/base water level. But I am esp.
looking for its effect on fats storage. What excess water intake will
cause to glucose and fats levels? Can water intoxication cause edema
due to increase in cell volume or decreased filteration in kidneys due
this this cell volume increase? Whether excess urine excretion
increases or lowers the glucose level in healthy or diabetic person?

Are you asking about chronic or acute hyponatremia?

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Quoted message said:

Hello,

Some people drink lot of water whereas other lesser. Drinking lot of
water may result excreting lot of urine. Many bio-chemicals may be
excreted and lost in urine and those may be in excess to renal
threshold and absorption limits. Loosing lot of sugar, probably may
trigger body to maintain compensatory energy stores may be as fats.

Can you tell me the effects of drinking excess or less water on body's
bio-chemistry? Can drinking excess water be harmful to body?

What should be natural intake of water to us?

Best wishes.

Hello,
I am not a doctor. There is a doctor that writes a colomn in the local
newspaper and he recently stated that people should drink 8 glasses of
water throughout the day--not all at one time. Of course, if you have some
sort of medical problem such as kidney problems, discuss the amount of
water you should drink each day with your doctor.
Jason

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Quoted message said:

Hello,

Some people drink lot of water whereas other lesser. Drinking lot of
water may result excreting lot of urine. Many bio-chemicals may be
excreted and lost in urine and those may be in excess to renal
threshold and absorption limits. Loosing lot of sugar, probably may
trigger body to maintain compensatory energy stores may be as fats.

It's the salt that get too watered down and your stomach ceases to
absorb fluid. Throw hyponatremia in any search engine. Briefly, "Sodium
is the dominant extracellular cation, and its homeostasis is vital to
the normal physiologic function of cells. Normal serum sodium is between
135-145 mEq/L. Hyponatremia is defined as a serum level less than 135
mEq/dL and is considered severe when the serum level is below 120 mEq/L"

Quoted message said:

Can you tell me the effects of drinking excess or less water on body's
bio-chemistry? Can drinking excess water be harmful to body?

Renal failure, coma and death as has happened in a few marathon cases.
Recent studies of marathon runners shows many finisher are in some state
of hypronatremia, low salt, when they finish. The truly hairy issue
in endurance events is treating hyponatremia as dehydration. If you put
someone on a IV with minimal saline thinking they are simply dehydrated
you will exacerbate the hypronatremia and potentially do real harm.

Quoted message said:

What should be natural intake of water to us?

Unless your having renal problems you really need to go a long way to
abuse yourself. If you have some doubts ask your doctor. Any specific
replies as to how much you should or should not drink will be a wild
ass guess. It would be easier to define the meaning of life.

-DF

(Jason) said:

Hello,
I am not a doctor. There is a doctor that writes a colomn in the local
newspaper and he recently stated that people should drink 8 glasses of
water throughout the day--not all at one time.

Not sure what the doc's context there was. Certainly it is good to
spread out your water consumption. (Hard to imagine that anyone would
do otherwise.) But I think there is a general consensus now that there
is no need for 8 glasses of water a day (and many would consider that
quite excessive; of course water taken in drinks and food counts as
part of your water intake, but some seem to think you should drink 8
glasses of plain water on top of that). Do some reading in the medical
literature, and reach your own conclusion.

Someone has already posted that the proper amount of water to drink is
the amount that feels right for you.

bob

kumar said:

What should be natural intake of water to us?

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/water/NU00283

In article <[email hidden]>,

(Jason) said:

I am not a doctor. There is a doctor that writes a colomn in the local
newspaper and he recently stated that people should drink 8 glasses of
water throughout the day--not all at one time.

This used to be the 'rule of thumb;' it has been disproved. The correct
amount of water to drink is enough to satisfy thirst.

Quoted message said:

Of course, if you have some
sort of medical problem such as kidney problems, discuss the amount of
water you should drink each day with your doctor.

While it is always a good idea to discuss things with a doctor, the idea
of limiting water intake for "kidney problems" is goofy. Kidney stones
are a "kidney problem" and increasing fluid intake can help decrease
incidence of certain stones. Even those with early-stage kidney failure
are not necessarily on fluid limits; those are usually reserved for
those receiving hemodialysis.

--
"Did Father shoot him? I will eat Grandfather for dinner."
- Helen Keller, on learning of the death of her grandfather

What can we loose with excess urine excreted due to excess intake of
water? Do we consider total loss of any biochemical per day in urine
instead of per sample? Do we consider total body's biochemicals levels
instead of blood level? How can we evauluate, whether urinary losses
are not causing exceses or deficiencies on total body's level?

Anyway, can excess urination due to excess intake cause loss of any
bio-chemical which may trigger excess fat deposition in cell membranes
or in cells? Can excess water intake cause cell structure or cellular
membrane to change in structure to discourage more water to enter in
cells due to changed tonicity of EC fluids?

Bob said:

(Jason) said:

Hello,
I am not a doctor. There is a doctor that writes a colomn in the local
newspaper and he recently stated that people should drink 8 glasses of
water throughout the day--not all at one time.

Not sure what the doc's context there was. Certainly it is good to
spread out your water consumption. (Hard to imagine that anyone would
do otherwise.) But I think there is a general consensus now that there
is no need for 8 glasses of water a day (and many would consider that
quite excessive; of course water taken in drinks and food counts as
part of your water intake, but some seem to think you should drink 8
glasses of plain water on top of that). Do some reading in the medical
literature, and reach your own conclusion.

Someone has already posted that the proper amount of water to drink is
the amount that feels right for you.

bob

Drinking excess water may effect tonicity of blood or ECF. It can
effect more water to enter into cells resulting cell swelling.
Persistent cells swellng may be harmful. Under this condition, can't it
trigger changes in the structure of cell membranes or fat depositions
into cells to discouage excess water to enter into cells?

Furthur, what we loose with the excretion of more urine on 24rs basis?
Will homeostatis of excreted bio-chemicals be still maintained on total
body level(not just blood level) if one drink excess water and pass
more urine alongwith many bio-chemicals?

Drinking excess water may effect tonicity of blood or ECF. It can
effect more water to enter into cells resulting cell swelling.
Persistent cells swellng may be harmful. Under this condition, can't it
trigger changes in the structure of cell membranes or fat depositions
into cells to discouage excess water to enter into cells?

Furthur, what we loose with the excretion of more urine on 24rs basis?
Will homeostatis of excreted bio-chemicals be still maintained on total
body level(not just blood level) if one drink excess water and pass
more urine alongwith many bio-chemicals?

REP said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

(Jason) said:

I am not a doctor. There is a doctor that writes a colomn in the local
newspaper and he recently stated that people should drink 8 glasses of
water throughout the day--not all at one time.

This used to be the 'rule of thumb;' it has been disproved. The correct
amount of water to drink is enough to satisfy thirst.

Quoted message said:

Of course, if you have some
sort of medical problem such as kidney problems, discuss the amount of
water you should drink each day with your doctor.

While it is always a good idea to discuss things with a doctor, the idea
of limiting water intake for "kidney problems" is goofy. Kidney stones
are a "kidney problem" and increasing fluid intake can help decrease
incidence of certain stones. Even those with early-stage kidney failure
are not necessarily on fluid limits; those are usually reserved for
those receiving hemodialysis.

--
"Did Father shoot him? I will eat Grandfather for dinner."
- Helen Keller, on learning of the death of her grandfather

kumar said:

Hello,

Some people drink lot of water whereas other lesser. Drinking lot of
water may result excreting lot of urine. Many bio-chemicals may be
excreted and lost in urine and those may be in excess to renal
threshold and absorption limits. Loosing lot of sugar, probably may
trigger body to maintain compensatory energy stores may be as fats.

In a person in normal health, drinking lots of water does no harm; the
only effect is more frequent urination, since any water in excess of
what the body requires will be promptly excreted.

The chemicals excreted in urine are those that the body no longer
requires. If the kidneys are excreting substances that should be
retained (protein, glucose), there is a problem with the kidneys,
independent of the amount of water consumed.

There are conditions that can develop if one drinks truly huge amounts
of water (dozens of litres per day), such as hyponatremia, but the
more common practice of drinking a few bottles of ordinary water a day
doesn't come anywhere near the threshold required to produce these
effects. Healthy kidneys can deal with water intakes over an
extremely wide range without any trouble at all.

Quoted message said:

Can you tell me the effects of drinking excess or less water on body's
bio-chemistry? Can drinking excess water be harmful to body?

Only in huge amounts, such as tens of litres per day. The drinking
has to exceed the kidneys' ability to excrete water--and that ability
is considerable, so it takes a tremendous amount of water to cause a
problem.

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What should be natural intake of water to us?

The minimum is about a litre (three glasses) per day in a healthy
person who is resting in a cool environment (not perspiring heavily).
Exertion and perspiration increase the minimum requirements, sometimes
to a litre an hour or more in persons who are exercising in extreme
heat and humidity.

In general, if you are thirsty, drink water. If you are not thirsty,
you don't need to drink anything, but it doesn't hurt to drink
somewhat more than thirst demands, if you wish.

You can tell how much water you have on board roughly by the color of
your urine. Brightly colored urine means minimal water; in this case,
drink a tall glass of water. Lightly colored urine means plenty of
water on board; in this case, you don't need to drink anything. In
hot weather, this is a useful way to determine if you're drinking
enough water to stay hydrated. If it's not hot and you aren't
exerting yourself, thirst is a reliable indicator.

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kumar said:

"The truth is, too much water and not enough salt can kill you. Most
people know that dehydration can cause serious health consequences.
What most don't realize is that too much of a good thing - WATER
- can also be dangerous, even deadly.

Too much of anything can kill you.

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They call it WATER INTOXICATION or more technically HYPONATREMIA.

It's really, REALLY hard to produce hyponatremia in a healthy
individual who is not under any physiological stress. You'd get sick
of drinking water long before the hyponatremia develops.

People with psychogenic polydipsia (usually associated with psychosis)
occasionally manage to drink enough water to become intoxicated, but
this means gallons, not a few extra glasses of water.

Normal people never have to worry about hyponatremia.

There are situations in which people who have exerted themselves for a
very long time in hot weather suddenly decide to drink a great deal of
water to satisfy thirst after several hours, and occasionally they
develop hyponatremia. This happens because they've lost electrolytes
and they take on hypotonic (non-salty) water faster than their kidneys
can restore balance, so sodium levels drop too low (hyponatremia).
Even this is very rare, though.

Salt is a bit of a different story. It's never a good idea to consume
a large amount of salt; in fact, a few tablespoons can be fatal to an
adult if consumed all at once. Fortunately, that doesn't normally
happen accidentally. Here again, the kidneys can deal with a very
wide range of salt intakes, but very sudden salt loads may be enough
to cause a problem (hypernatremia, in this case). I'm not sure why
anyone would be gulping salt, though.

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The above link tells about water intoxication--Hyponatremia. It can
cause many problems esp. increase in cell volume. I think it may effect
other minerals related to or dependent on Sodium level--K, Ca, Mg, P .
Low sodium may be related to acid/base water level. But I am esp.
looking for its effect on fats storage. What excess water intake will
cause to glucose and fats levels?

Water intoxication and (often) hyponatremia are medical emergencies,
and one doesn't worry about their long-term effects, but instead about
resolving the immediate imbalance.

Quoted message said:

Can water intoxication cause edema due to increase in cell volum
or decreased filteration in kidneys due this this cell volume increase?

If you mean long-term edema, see above.

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Whether excess urine excretion increases or lowers the glucose level
in healthy or diabetic person?

If the blood glucose level is normal, the kidneys do not excrete any
significant amount of glucose, irrespective of the total volume of
urine produced. In a person with hyperglycemia (such as an
uncontrolled diabetic), the kidneys may dump glucose if it passes a
certain (high) level. Mild hyperglycemia may not produce any
glucosuria.

Diseased kidneys may dump all sorts of stuff that they should retain,
including glucose. Some people have low renal thresholds for glucose
and dump it into urine at much lower blood glucose levels than a
normal person would.

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Jason said:

I am not a doctor. There is a doctor that writes a colomn in the local
newspaper and he recently stated that people should drink 8 glasses of
water throughout the day--not all at one time.

He's repeating a well-established urban legend.

There is no particular requirement to drink eight glasses of water a
day. If you aren't losing water through heavy perspiration, vomiting,
etc., one litre a day is usually sufficient. Of course, you can drink
more if you want, but your kidneys don't need much to keep things
running. And indeed, people who drink only when thirsty may drink
scarcely more than a litre per day for years, and they remain in fine
health.

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kumar said:

What can we loose with excess urine excreted due to excess intake of
water? Do we consider total loss of any biochemical per day in urine
instead of per sample? Do we consider total body's biochemicals levels
instead of blood level? How can we evauluate, whether urinary losses
are not causing exceses or deficiencies on total body's level?

If urination is causing an imbalance, you find out about it real
quick, since the production of urine is considerable.

Quoted message said:

Anyway, can excess urination due to excess intake cause loss of any
bio-chemical which may trigger excess fat deposition in cell membranes
or in cells?

Not in healthy people.

Quoted message said:

Can excess water intake cause cell structure or cellular
membrane to change in structure to discourage more water to enter in
cells due to changed tonicity of EC fluids?

Not with any normal definition of "excess intake."

Kidneys are remarkable devices. They can successfully keep all sorts
of things in perfect balance over an amazingly wide range of water
intakes.

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kumar said:

Drinking excess water may effect tonicity of blood or ECF.

Only if one drinks tens of litres per day, or more. Essentially one
must exceed the ability of the kidneys to remove water, and that isn't
easy if the kidneys are healthy; they can remove litres per hour if
they have to.

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Persistent cells swellng may be harmful. Under this condition, can't it
trigger changes in the structure of cell membranes or fat depositions
into cells to discouage excess water to enter into cells?

Let's look at this a different way: What is the as-yet-unspoken
conclusion that you are trying to support? That drinking too much or
too little water makes people fat, perhaps?

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Furthur, what we loose with the excretion of more urine on 24rs basis?
Will homeostatis of excreted bio-chemicals be still maintained on total
body level(not just blood level) if one drink excess water and pass
more urine alongwith many bio-chemicals?

Yes. Kidneys know what to excrete and what not to excrete, and when
they are healthy they do this with amazing reliability and precision,
no matter how much or how little water you drink.

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Mxsmanic thanks. Do you mean that excess intake of water neither causes
any bio-chemical imbalances(at blood level and at total body/ECF/ICF
level) not structural changes(cell's swelling etc.) of cells in healthy
people?

Can we notice some physical or physiological differences between people
who are excess and lesser water drinker?

Can you tell me, how abnormal fat depositions or changes in cellular
membranes(some what lipoprotien related) can happen

Mxsmanic said:

kumar said:

Drinking excess water may effect tonicity of blood or ECF.

Only if one drinks tens of litres per day, or more. Essentially one
must exceed the ability of the kidneys to remove water, and that isn't
easy if the kidneys are healthy; they can remove litres per hour if
they have to.

Quoted message said:

Persistent cells swellng may be harmful. Under this condition, can't it
trigger changes in the structure of cell membranes or fat depositions
into cells to discouage excess water to enter into cells?

Let's look at this a different way: What is the as-yet-unspoken
conclusion that you are trying to support? That drinking too much or
too little water makes people fat, perhaps?

Quoted message said:

Furthur, what we loose with the excretion of more urine on 24rs basis?
Will homeostatis of excreted bio-chemicals be still maintained on total
body level(not just blood level) if one drink excess water and pass
more urine alongwith many bio-chemicals?

Yes. Kidneys know what to excrete and what not to excrete, and when
they are healthy they do this with amazing reliability and precision,
no matter how much or how little water you drink.

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Quoted message said:

Drinking excess water may effect tonicity of blood or ECF. It can
effect more water to enter into cells resulting cell swelling.

You keep saying this but it's not necessarily true. If you drink too
much plain water and get into hyponatremia your stomach stops absorbing
and you bloat like a big pig. It's not like water over damn and just
more fluid going through the system. You system stops or severely slows.

Quoted message said:

Furthur, what we loose with the excretion of more urine on 24rs basis?
Will homeostatis of excreted bio-chemicals be still maintained on
total
body level(not just blood level) if one drink excess water and pass
more urine alongwith many bio-chemicals?

Asked and answered - hyponatremia .
-DF

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Quoted message said:

Drinking excess water may effect tonicity of blood or ECF. It can
effect more water to enter into cells resulting cell swelling.

You keep saying this but it's not necessarily true. If you drink too much
plain water and get into hyponatremia your stomach stops absorbing and you
bloat like a big pig. It's not like water over damn and just more fluid
going through the system. You system stops or severely slows.

Quoted message said:

Furthur, what we loose with the excretion of more urine on 24rs basis?
Will homeostatis of excreted bio-chemicals be still maintained on total
body level(not just blood level) if one drink excess water and pass
more urine alongwith many bio-chemicals?

Asked and answered - hyponatremia .
-DF

The hyponatremia is on the basis of dilution, not sodium loss. There are
some obligatory potassium losses, however, and increased urine flow can
result in decreased serum potassium. Serum osmolality could change enough
for red cell damage to occur, but this would be extremely rare.

So, excess water intake can result in hemodilution with an observable
decrease in hemoglobin concentration and a decrease in serum sodium
concentration levels, a relative hyponatremia. The increased urine flow will
result in increased potassium losses with the potential for an absolute
hypokalemia.

HMc