another newpaper report.....

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norwich evening news 28/12

Cyclist's death sparks safety call probe

NAOMI CANTON

28 December 2005 11:43

Community leaders today called for an investigation into traffic safety in
their village following the tragic death of a 70-year-old cyclist who was
knocked over by a bus.

Barbara D'Ayala, of South Croft, died at the Norfolk and Norwich
University Hospital on Friday just hours after she was hit by a bus while
cycling down Mill Road in Hethersett

pk

A distinct and welcome change from the usual method of reporting.

helen s

wafflycat said:

A distinct and welcome change from the usual method of reporting.

Hopefully not "just" because it was a bus involved (you know, the
"public transport must be perfect at all times regardless of what's
happening in private transport" kind of thing).

PhilD

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wafflycat said:

A distinct and welcome change from the usual method of reporting.

Hopefully not "just" because it was a bus involved (you know, the
"public transport must be perfect at all times regardless of what's
happening in private transport" kind of thing).

PhilD

You could well have a valid point there.

Cheers, helen s

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norwich evening news 28/12

Cyclist's death sparks safety call probe

NAOMI CANTON

28 December 2005 11:43

Community leaders today called for an investigation into traffic
safety in their village following the tragic death of a 70-year-old
cyclist who was knocked over by a bus.

Barbara D'Ayala, of South Croft, died at the Norfolk and Norwich
University Hospital on Friday just hours after she was hit by a bus
while cycling down Mill Road in Hethersett

pk

A distinct and welcome change from the usual method of reporting.

helen s

No waffly, no change at all, just an indication that your paranoia is
unfounded

pk

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A distinct and welcome change from the usual method of reporting.

No waffly, no change at all, just an indication that your paranoia is
unfounded

It is always reassuring when people don't have anything better to
put up as an argument than being rude.

Helen may have a different view to you. That does not mean she is
paranoid, only that she has a different view.

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David Hansen, Edinburgh
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David Hansen said:

On Thu, 5 Jan 2006 14:46:33 +0000 (UTC) someone who may be "p.k."
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A distinct and welcome change from the usual method of reporting.

No waffly, no change at all, just an indication that your paranoia is
unfounded

It is always reassuring when people don't have anything better to
put up as an argument than being rude.

Helen may have a different view to you. That does not mean she is
paranoid, only that she has a different view.

Actually Dave, the thread is continuing a discussion on Newspaper reporting
style run last week. I did some research in the EDP from where Waffly had
souced an article she objected to and (i would suggest) showed that there
was no anti cyslist bias in the form of words generally used viz "Injured
party the story is about was in a collision with a vehicle" The same form of
word being used whether the injured party be cyclist, pedestian or driver.
The constuction is neutral and avoids laying blame.

I was dissappointed at the time that Waffly did not contribute to the
discussion and thought that a further example of lack of ant bias would help
reinfocre the point. I happened to bump into the strory while checking
something about a football game on Monday.

have a nice day.

pk

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To the group apart from pk, my apologies for use of foul language. As I

have

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plonked pk following his personal attack, normal foul-free posting has
resumed.

Cheers, helen s

And apologies for my rather immediate response.

Graham

Have a hug :-)

Cheers, helen s

p.k. said:

Actually Dave, the thread is continuing a discussion on Newspaper reporting
style run last week. I did some research in the EDP from where Waffly had
souced an article she objected to and (i would suggest) showed that there
was no anti cyslist bias in the form of words generally used viz "Injured
party the story is about was in a collision with a vehicle" The same form of
word being used whether the injured party be cyclist, pedestian or driver.
The constuction is neutral and avoids laying blame.

I was dissappointed at the time that Waffly did not contribute to the
discussion and thought that a further example of lack of ant bias would help
reinfocre the point. I happened to bump into the strory while checking
something about a football game on Monday.

So why couldn't you say that in the first place without jumping
straight in with a gratuitous insult ?

On Thu, 5 Jan 2006 16:15:30 +0000 (UTC) someone who may be "p.k."
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Actually Dave, the thread is continuing a discussion on Newspaper reporting
style run last week.

A discussion which I read.

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I did some research in the EDP from where Waffly had
souced an article she objected to and (i would suggest) showed that there
was no anti cyslist bias in the form of words generally used

You didn't convince me or a number of other people that, "the
constuction is neutral and avoids laying blame."

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David Hansen, Edinburgh
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To the group apart from pk, my apologies for use of foul language. As I

have

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plonked pk following his personal attack, normal foul-free posting has
resumed.

Cheers, helen s

And apologies for my rather immediate response.

Graham

Have a hug :-)

Hey, what about me, don't I get a hug?

Alan

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Cheers, helen s

Alan Holmes said:

Ooohh, that is very naughty, slap your wrist!

Could at least have used the well-understood acronym of FOAD. There
might be children reading...like the kids from uk.rec.driving <g,d&r>

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Hey, what about me, don't I get a hug?

Alan

Of course! *hug*

helen s ;-)

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You didn't convince me or a number of other people that, "the
constuction is neutral and avoids laying blame."

More to the point, if it was the drivers fault then neutral terms will
still be biased against the cyclist. Presumably journalists use neutral
terms because they are not sure of exactly what happened. Or they're lazy.

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Throwing your toys
out of the pram achieves little.

The one doing that is the one who resorted to personal insults,
presumably because they had no better arguments.

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Hey, what about me, don't I get a hug?

Of course! *hug*

All those who want a hug please form an orderly queue, behind me:-)

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On Thu, 5 Jan 2006 20:06:43 +0000 (UTC) someone who may be
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Hey, what about me, don't I get a hug?

Of course! *hug*

All those who want a hug please form an orderly queue, behind me:-)

Group hug!

Cheers, helen s

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I did some research in the EDP from where Waffly had
souced an article she objected to and (i would suggest) showed that
there was no anti cyslist bias in the form of words generally used viz
"Injured party the story is about was in a collision with a vehicle"

You mean you'd convinced yourself. You hadn't convinced anyone else (or
if you had, they will correct me).

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You mean you'd convinced yourself. You hadn't convinced anyone else (or
if you had, they will correct me).

You might have a bit of a wait :-)

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You mean you'd convinced yourself. You hadn't convinced anyone else
(or if you had, they will correct me).

You might have a bit of a wait :-)

I'll help:

Pete Biggs summarised quite well in response to:

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One does not read, "a car was in collision with a cycle. The
cyclist, Mrs/Mr X died was injured." At this stage it is not known
who is at fault, or if there is any fault, yet it is always written
where it is the cycle that is "in collision with" or sometimes,
"colliding with", suggesting the action of colliding is the action
is on the part of the cyclist.

"Collision with" doesn't suggest that to me. It is a neutral expression,
and it's neat to use it the way round the press do when the story is
focused on the cyclist. Any suggestion of action is the work of one's own
mind. On reading these sort of stories (without specifics), various
images flash up in my mind: including cyclist getting hit from behind, hit
from side, and cyclist going into side of vehicle. I might only think of
only one sort of action instead if I was preoccupied with the idea that
the press was out to [censored] off cyclists at every single opportunity. I'm
not.

pk