Anaerobics, how much is too much?

"Gman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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So, as you might have garnered, I singlespeed quite a bit. I also have a tendency to ride
until I bonk.

I am thinking this is probably not good in the long run. Kinda like the "World's Strongest Man"
guys that seem to have problems with their heart exploding and such due to too much anaerobic
training.

Now granted, I'm a long way from that kind of intensity, but maybe I shouldn't be pushing so hard
on every ride.

I did some web research on the dangers of too much anaerobic exercise, but didn't come up
with much.

My doc just offered that I shouldn't be getting my heart rate up to 185-190 (the old 220 minus age
max rule) on the steep climbs, but I'd like a little more detailed info than that.

Anyone have any good links?

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Bill "OK, so I ain't no Carla (or even Slacker 🙂 " S.

"Gman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

So, as you might have garnered, I singlespeed quite a bit. I also have a tendency to ride
until I bonk.

I am thinking this is probably not good in the long run. Kinda like the "World's Strongest Man"
guys that seem to have problems with their heart exploding and such due to too much anaerobic
training.

Now granted, I'm a long way from that kind of intensity, but maybe I shouldn't be pushing so hard
on every ride.

I did some web research on the dangers of too much anaerobic exercise, but didn't come up
with much.

My doc just offered that I shouldn't be getting my heart rate up to 185-190 (the old 220 minus age
max rule) on the steep climbs, but I'd like a little more detailed info than that.

Anyone have any good links?

G

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Carla A-G khsgrl@NO_JUNK.yahoo.com said:

"Gman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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Thanks Carla, there's some great info on this page!

I guess my sort-term risk of too much interval training is overtraining. That makes sense.

I wonder if there are any long-term risks?

I guess I should probably get an HRM just to see what kind of levels I'm running. Right now I'm
using the "perceived effort" method.

G

Gman said:

Carla A-G khsgrl@NO_JUNK.yahoo.com said:

"Gman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

<snip "is my heart gonna splode?">

Quoted message said:

Check out the training tips section:

cptips.comcptips.comOpen ↗

Thanks Carla, there's some great info on this page!

I guess my sort-term risk of too much interval training is overtraining. That makes sense.

I wonder if there are any long-term risks?

I guess I should probably get an HRM just to see what kind of levels I'm running. Right now I'm
using the "perceived effort" method.

G

I believe that the long term risk of overtraining is enlarged heart.

David

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I wonder if there are any long-term risks?

I'd think that as people get older that their arteries lose elasticity along with the rest of their
body. That being true, it seems like one would be more likely to burst an artery with extreme effort
as one ages.

Another risk factor that I'm pretty sure of is prostatitis. Per a urologist I know, increased
intra-abdominal pressure drives bad stuff into that little gland. According to him, prostatis is
endemic among power lifters for that reason. Over the years, I've foun that I can bring on a
prostate infection almost at will - just by a certain level of cycling exertion.

As far as longterm risks in the sense of overdoing it from day-to-day go, I think I've been there:
racing traffic for about 23 miles on my commute and riding around 90 miles to the shore on
weekends...burst-after-burst most of the time - pedal to total failure, lay on the bars for a few
seconds, then start over again.

It always felt good during the moments I was doing it, but the long-term results were excessive
nervousness, being jumpy and irratable, and difficulty sitting still for very long (I used to take a
break from work every couple hours, and jog up to the 27th floor and back just to take the edge
off...). Dunno if that fits the definition of "overtraining" but it sure was
over-somethingorother....
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PeteCresswell

(Pete Cresswell) said:

It always felt good during the moments I was doing it, but the long-term results were excessive
nervousness, being jumpy and irratable, and difficulty sitting still for very long (I used to take
a break from work every couple hours, and jog up to the 27th floor and back just to take the edge
off...). Dunno if that fits the definition of "overtraining" but it sure was
over-somethingorother....
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PeteCresswell

That sounds like the classic overtraining symptoms to me. Difficulty sleeping, irritability,
fatigue, etc.

I'm not _as_ worried about that, although I have experienced it from too much SSing and I'm sure if
that training cycle is repeated as a regular occurance a person is likely to be doing some long term
damage (whatever that might be).

I think I'll just need to alternate with my gears to get some low-stress aerobic work in too.

Gman

Gman <[email hidden]> wrote

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That sounds like the classic overtraining symptoms to me. Difficulty sleeping, irritability,
fatigue, etc.

Dude, sounds like you're just getting pre-menstrual ;-).

CC

On 1 Sep 2003 16:22:22 -0700, Corvus Corvax <[email hidden]> penned:

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Gman <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

That sounds like the classic overtraining symptoms to me. Difficulty sleeping, irritability,
fatigue, etc.

Dude, sounds like you're just getting pre-menstrual ;-).

CC

I saw no mention of an insatiable need for chocolate and/or hot water bottles ...

I wish I ever got enough exercise to worry about overtraining. heh.

Actually, I take it back. I spent one of my college summers trying to make up for the fact that I'd
been away from my martial arts school for so long. I would attend both the teenage and adult TKD
classes at every opportunity, on top of which I started hapkido twice (three times?) a week. I did
get irritable, exhausted, etc., and eventually my master instructor told me that I needed to stop
coming to quite so many classes. I mouthed off to him, saying that olympic athletes don't skip days
of training, which in itself goes to show you how out of sorts I was -- I didn't talk back to this
guy, ever. Anyway, he had a little talk with me and explained that even olympic athletes alternated
training routines, had hard days interspersed with light, etc., and that the classes at this school
were designed for people who didn't train every day -- they didn't accomodate people who needed
light training days.

Since then, though, I seem to just get lazier and lazier.
--
monique

In article said:

So, as you might have garnered, I singlespeed quite a bit. I also have a tendency to ride
until I bonk.

I am thinking this is probably not good in the long run.

It won't hurt you. Bonking is from running out of glycogen, which is what your muiscles use
for energy.

Quoted message said:

Kinda like the "World's Strongest Man" guys that seem to have problems with their heart exploding
and such due to too much anaerobic training.

Riiight. It's the roids, not "too much anaerobic training"

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Now granted, I'm a long way from that kind of intensity, but maybe I shouldn't be pushing so hard
on every ride.

Push as hard as you like. But eat!

I eat a good breakfast (usually non-sugared ceral and granola, fruit and yogurt), then ride. That's
enough for up to about two hours. Longer than that and I need to bring food. Powerbars, whole grain
fig bars, GU, whatever.

Quoted message said:

I did some web research on the dangers of too much anaerobic exercise, but didn't come up
with much.

'cause there isn't any such danger. Other than croaking from heart problems. But if you have those
sorts of heart problems you're probably going to croak from them if you exercise or not.

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My doc just offered that I shouldn't be getting my heart rate up to 185-190 (the old 220 minus age
max rule) on the steep climbs, but I'd like a little more detailed info than that.

As you have guessed, your doctor doesn't know much about exercise. Few do.

If you vomit or see spots, slow down.

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Anyone have any good links?

Pretty much any book on cycling physiology.

_Serious Cycling_ by Ed Burke Long Distance Cycling or something like that by Fred Matheny (can't
find it at the moment)

Eric

(before someone points it out, yes I know Ed croaked recently.)

Gman said:

Anyone have any good links?

G

Got a great book recommendation

The Complete Book Of Triathlons by Sally Edwards

The a full section on heart zone training and a lot of reference material to other good sources.

Peace, Bill

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