why risers?

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Try a Titec Hell-bent 27" flat bar.

That'll be the perfect opportunity to try one of these:

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That's a neat little creak amplifier they have there.

It would certainly kill the 'cool' factor.

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What is the point of risers? I've got them on my ride, but it seems that it puts me in a more
upright position, making my control less agressive. Why do I see the easton monkeylite (riser)
on most racer's bikes?

Steve

It's a matter of preference, fit, and application. For me, the wider grip provides better
handling, breathing and control. The sweep back is better for my hands and arms. The rise fits me
and my bike.

Here's a report I posted after putting a riser bar on my geared bike 3 yrs ago:

My feelings exactly. I went to slightly shorter stem, and it decreased the sensitivity of the front
wheel to a more comfortable level.

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I don't see why you couldn't take the same two frames and outfit one with risers and one with
flat and get the exact same position on both. It's just a combination of stem, rake, and
handlebars. I think risers are in style and flat aren't.

You can only if you can find a flat bar with 3-5 degrees of sweep, like a titec Flattracker, and
you don't mind having a 45 degree stem and always worrying about when it's going to break because
it flexes so much.

You can get flat bars with up 5, 9, 11 or even 15 degree bend, in widths up to 660mm (26" for those
of you who prefer that). So you really can replicate most riser bar positions with the right stem.

And I'm not sure why a stem with rise would flex any more than any other stem, or be more likely to
break. In fact, I suspect the load may be distributed at the critical extension to clamp area better
on a stem with lotsa rise...

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My feelings exactly. I went to slightly shorter stem, and it decreased the sensitivity of the
front wheel to a more comfortable level.

Um, shorter stems increase the sensitivity of steering.

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That's a neat little creak amplifier they have there.

Not in the least - used the exact same one (but in silver) on a previous bike (needed to be much
more upright - lower back issues) and it didn't cause or amplify any creaking, was rigid has a very
rigid thing etc. Bottom line is, it does what it says it does and well.

Shaun aRe

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My feelings exactly. I went to slightly shorter stem, and it decreased

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sensitivity of the front wheel to a more comfortable level.

Um, shorter stems increase the sensitivity of steering.

Um, ever heard of weight bias?

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My feelings exactly. I went to slightly shorter stem, and it decreased

the

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sensitivity of the front wheel to a more comfortable level.

Um, shorter stems increase the sensitivity of steering.

Um, ever heard of weight bias?

I should have mentioned I went with an offset seatpost as well. I needed/wanted more weight
to the rear.

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Um, shorter stems increase the sensitivity of steering.

Um, ever heard of weight bias?

Yes, but I hardly think your bike will turn you away because you're fat.

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Um, shorter stems increase the sensitivity of steering.

Um, ever heard of weight bias?

Yes, but I hardly think your bike will turn you away because you're fat.

Heh, I'm not exactly fat. Tall, yes.

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Um, ever heard of weight bias?

Yes, but I hardly think your bike will turn you away because you're fat.

Heh, I'm not exactly fat. Tall, yes.

It was a joke. Go on, explain weight bias and its relevant influence to the sensitivity of steering.

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Yes, but I hardly think your bike will turn you away because you're fat.

Heh, I'm not exactly fat. Tall, yes.

It was a joke. Go on, explain weight bias and its relevant influence to the sensitivity of
steering.

Not until I've had my coffee.

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fat.

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Heh, I'm not exactly fat. Tall, yes.

It was a joke. Go on, explain weight bias and its relevant influence to the sensitivity of
steering.

Not until I've had my coffee.

Ok, I've had my coffee.

Heavier wheel equals more traction. I felt as if I was hanging out over the front wheel a little too
much. I went from a 130mm stem, to a 120mm. I added a 1.5 riser, a Race Face offset seatpost, and
shifted my weight more towards the rear. It made all the difference, and loved it.

The bike was a 19.5 Voodoo. It was a little on the small size, but I did not want to go with the 21"
frame. I was between sizes, and felt the smaller frame would be a better choice. I now second guess
that decision to go with the smaller frame.

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Ok, I've had my coffee.

Heavier wheel equals more traction. I felt as if I was hanging out over

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front wheel a little too much. I went from a 130mm stem, to a 120mm. I

added

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a 1.5 riser, a Race Face offset seatpost, and shifted my weight more

towards

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the rear. It made all the difference, and loved it.

Is that what you meant when you wrote it "decreased the _sensitivity_ of the front wheel" (emphasis
added)? I think that is what Bomba was questioning*, as a shorter stem makes steering quicker.

Bill "*quite rightly" S.

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Heavier wheel equals more traction. I felt as if I was hanging out over the front wheel a little
too much. I went from a 130mm stem, to a 120mm. I added a 1.5 riser, a Race Face offset seatpost,
and shifted my weight more towards the rear. It made all the difference, and loved it.

Ok, so you made a host of changes and have attributed the change in steering characteristics to a
10mm change in stem length... <shakes head

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Heavier wheel equals more traction. I felt as if I was hanging out over

the

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front wheel a little too much. I went from a 130mm stem, to a 120mm. I

added

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a 1.5 riser, a Race Face offset seatpost, and shifted my weight more

towards

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the rear. It made all the difference, and loved it.

Ok, so you made a host of changes and have attributed the change in steering characteristics to a
10mm change in stem length... <shakes head>

That's the whole point. I don't think he *EVER* was talking about steering; really meant shifting
weight back.

Bill "that's why 'front wheel sensitivity' made no sense" S.

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Heavier wheel equals more traction. I felt as if I was hanging out over

the

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front wheel a little too much. I went from a 130mm stem, to a 120mm. I

added

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a 1.5 riser, a Race Face offset seatpost, and shifted my weight more

towards

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the rear. It made all the difference, and loved it.

Ok, so you made a host of changes and have attributed the change in steering characteristics to a
10mm change in stem length... <shakes head>

No, as it was the placement of my ass over the rear wheel more than anything. Change in the stem
length just coincided with the rearward shift in the seating position. I have a tendancy to leave
out some detail. I will try to do better in the future with this.

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Ok, so you made a host of changes and have attributed the change in steering characteristics to a
10mm change in stem length... <shakes head>

No, as it was the placement of my ass over the rear wheel more than anything. Change in the stem
length just coincided with the rearward shift in the seating position.

This is what you wrote: "I went to slightly shorter stem, and it decreased the sensitivity of the
front wheel"

See why we might have been confused?

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I have a tendancy to leave out some detail.

No [censored]!

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Ok, so you made a host of changes and have attributed the change in steering characteristics to
a 10mm change in stem length... <shakes

head>

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No, as it was the placement of my ass over the rear wheel more than anything. Change in the stem
length just coincided with the rearward

shift

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in the seating position.

This is what you wrote: "I went to slightly shorter stem, and it decreased the sensitivity of the
front wheel"

See why we might have been confused?

Yes.

Longer bar will decrease sensitivity.

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I have a tendancy to leave out some detail.

No [censored]!

Long story short....

Bent OEM Titec offset seatpost.

Replaced with Thomson 'non-offset' seatpost.

Had handling problem.

Replaced OEM 22" Titec flat bar & 130 x 10° stem with 120 x 10° Kore stem & generic 1.5 26" riser.

Handling problem did not go completely away....liked the feel of riser & more upright position.

Pondered the situation.

Light bulb comes on!

Buy Race Face offset XY seatpost.

Problem solved & and liked the way the bike felt better than before.

Sold Thomson seatpost.

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I'm tall and found that the stem that came with my bike was too long, therefore I had a hard time
getting my weight back over my rear wheel.

So I bought a shorter stem and it facilitated the problem. Is this basically what you did?

So I guess if you get an offset seatpost which I never thought of, it along with stem length adds
another variable in getting a preferred riding position when it comes to weight distribution and
cockpit dimensions...

SDC

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I'm tall and found that the stem that came with my bike was too long, therefore I had a hard time
getting my weight back over my rear wheel.

So I bought a shorter stem and it facilitated the problem. Is this basically what you did?

So I guess if you get an offset seatpost which I never thought of, it

along

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with stem length adds another variable in getting a preferred riding position when it comes to
weight distribution and cockpit dimensions...

Yep! Hopefully this new frame will solve everything.