SRAM vs SHimano

"Edward Holt" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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| I'm about to change my rapid fire Shimano selectors to SRAM Rockets which are Shimano compatible.
| Personally, I prefer Grip Shift changing rather than the Shimano option.
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| As it's quite a big change I'm interested in other's opinions on the SRAM
| vs. Shimano component debate.
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| Is there any distinct benefit in either camp?

It's apples or oranges IMHO. I personally don't like GripShifters, but my wife swears by them. Go
with what you are comfortable with and works for your situation. You can accidentally shift a GS
more often but I think that's just the anti-SRAM crowd blowing smoke.

BTW - Thumbshifters rule, others drool

J/K

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"Edward Holt" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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| I'm about to change my rapid fire Shimano selectors to SRAM Rockets

which

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| are Shimano compatible. Personally, I prefer Grip Shift changing rather than the Shimano option.
|
| As it's quite a big change I'm interested in other's opinions on the

SRAM

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| vs. Shimano component debate.
|
| Is there any distinct benefit in either camp?

It's apples or oranges IMHO. I personally don't like GripShifters, but my wife swears by them. Go
with what you are comfortable with and works for your situation. You can accidentally shift a GS
more often but I think that's just the anti-SRAM crowd blowing smoke.

BTW - Thumbshifters rule, others drool

What sort of grip shifters are you looking to get? I have some from my old bike that aren't doing me
any good any more.. They are 8 speed I believe. Actually I have a whole load of parts. I cracked the
frame so I figured I might as well get a new bike rather than the hassle of fixing the old one.

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I'm about to change my rapid fire Shimano selectors to SRAM Rockets which are Shimano compatible.
Personally, I prefer Grip Shift changing rather than the Shimano option.

As it's quite a big change I'm interested in other's opinions on the SRAM
vs. Shimano component debate.

Is there any distinct benefit in either camp?

The realy benift is in changing the rear derailleur to a SRAM ESP and the matching shifter.
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"Chris Phillipo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I'm about to change my rapid fire Shimano selectors to SRAM Rockets

which

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are Shimano compatible. Personally, I prefer Grip Shift changing rather than the Shimano option.

As it's quite a big change I'm interested in other's opinions on the

SRAM

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vs. Shimano component debate.

Is there any distinct benefit in either camp?

The realy benift is in changing the rear derailleur to a SRAM ESP and the matching shifter.
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You've got my attention - what is the benefit in that case?

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You've got my attention - what is the benefit in that case?

I've always been a grip shift fan but have always used SRAM Rockets with Shimano Mech's, I have a
Titus Switchblade and like all FSR designs it has a low chain stay ... and the rear mech kept
slapping into it, annoying as hell, went mad and bought SRAM XO for one reason really, the mech has
ZERO forward movement, so it cannot move forward and slap into the chain stays the, all the movement
is handled by the mechs main body being a parrelagram rather than Shimanos method of the body moving
sideways and the up and down at the same time ... because of this the mech can have a higher tension

I hope I made that clear, on a specialized FSR a shimano mech can slap the chain stays, a SRAM can't

The cable pull is supposed to be 1:1 rather than 1:2 which is supposed to be better .. but somebody
else will need to explain that one as I hain't got a change

You can now get trigger shifters in the X.7 and X.9 that work with shimano mechs

Cheers

Chris
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Edward Holt said:

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The realy benift is in changing the rear derailleur to a SRAM ESP and the matching shifter.

You've got my attention - what is the benefit in that case?

My understanding is, that because Shimano uses a 1:2 ratio, the setup has to be quite precise. Small
changes in cable length can make bigger changes at the rear mech.

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"Edward Holt" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I'm about to change my rapid fire Shimano selectors to SRAM Rockets which are Shimano compatible.
Personally, I prefer Grip Shift changing rather than the Shimano option.

As it's quite a big change I'm interested in other's opinions on the SRAM
vs. Shimano component debate.

Is there any distinct benefit in either camp?

I have always had a problem with Shimano shifters for two reasons:

1.) I accidentally actuate them all the damn time, because I move my hands on the grips a lot while
riding. With GripShift (Rockets) which have a short twist portion, I can get my hands completely
off the twisty part and still have full brake control. Control is good.

2.) With Shimano triggers or any indexed Shimano shifter, I cannot change a lot of rear at one shot.
I find myself switching down three or four cogs at a time, and that takes time - sometimes time I
don't have - with Shimano indexed shifters.

Now those are the major reasons. A minor reason is that a few of the Shimano shifters that I have
had are also integrated with the brakes. So, if you crash and bust off the brake lever, you get to
buy a whole new group, and change out TWO cable sets, AND do another derailleur adjustment. OK,
maybe not change out the cables, but you still have to take the whole damn thing apart to thread the
inner wire through the new shifter/brake, so you may as well change the cable. Not a huge deal, but
annoying. And there's the expense of it...

OK, it's a ramble, and a few days of reading for some of the more "challenged" in a.m-b., but
you get the general picture. Some folks just hate GripShift. They work for me, and I'm not
going to change

rode in on. But he does have one thing right - Anything to make a bike Shimano-free is a good thing.
Next upgrade I'm gonna ditch the Shimano and go Raceface/SRAM/CK.

Spider

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"Chris Phillipo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I'm about to change my rapid fire Shimano selectors to SRAM Rockets

which

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are Shimano compatible. Personally, I prefer Grip Shift changing rather than the Shimano
option.

As it's quite a big change I'm interested in other's opinions on the

SRAM

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vs. Shimano component debate.

Is there any distinct benefit in either camp?

The realy benift is in changing the rear derailleur to a SRAM ESP and the matching shifter.
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Chris Phillipo - Cape Breton, Nova Scotia ramsays-online.comramsays-online.comOpen ↗

You've got my attention - what is the benefit in that case?

The 1:1 ratio and the lack of a cable loop at the rear makes it work much better for longer without
a cable change. The 1:1 is also easier to adjust.
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(Spider) said:

Next upgrade I'm gonna ditch the
Shimano and go Raceface/SRAM/CK.

I did and no regrets. My hardtail was full XTR; the dualie I built last year has only 3 Shimano
components: XTR quick releases (stolen from the hardtail: they just feel more secure than the
Salsas); XT front derailleur (SRAM didn't make one when I built the bike) and XTR 12-34 rear cogset
(somehow it shifts better than the SRAM cog, even with SRAM chain and everything else).

Hubs and headset are King; rims are Mavic; cranks are Race Face Next LP; rings Race Face 42-32-22;
bb is Truvativ; brakes are Avid Mechanical disc (who needs hydraulic); levers are Paul; shifters are
SRAM 9.0 grips; rear derailleur is SRAM X0; post is an old Syncros.

I've ridden this bike hard for 2 season now, and it works like a charm. Who heeds ShimaNO? --dt

Spider said:

rode in on.

You owe me 10,000 dollah!

Shaun aRe