scafell

"AJD" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/cumbria/4484538.stm

Makes you wonder.

The "close to the summit of Greta End, on an area known as The Band" bit in
the report made me wonder. Anyway, don't know about anyone else but I found
my Petzl Tikka to be very little use for route finding descending in the
combination of darkness and fog the other night.

AJD said:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/cumbria/4484538.stm

Makes you wonder.

Deja vu.

Meanwhile brace yourselves for the axe backlash, after the fate of
that poor lad in Liverpool.

Richard Webb

On Wed, 30 Nov 2005 18:57:20 GMT
in <news:[email hidden]>
Richard Webb <[email hidden]> wrote :

Quoted message said:

AJD said:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/cumbria/4484538.stm

Makes you wonder.

Deja vu.

Meanwhile brace yourselves for the axe backlash, after the fate of
that poor lad in Liverpool.

Perhaps we all need to make sure that the ironmongery is wearing rubber
when in transit (or even the boot of the car).

<g>

--
Always remember you're unique, just like everyone else.

Quoted message said:

Perhaps we all need to make sure that the ironmongery is wearing rubber
when in transit (or even the boot of the car).

Can you be bothered with all that easily lost stuff. I save mine for
alpine trips when the metalwork is in hold luggage.

And if The Power wants to make life difficult, a piece of rubber wont
stop them. An offensive weapon is an offensive weapon.

My safety on the hill is non negotiable.

Richard Webb

AJD said:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/cumbria/4484538.stm

Lack of knowledge again.

I hope they learn quicker than the couple that were rescued from
Shepherds Crag two nights in a row a few years ago :-D

Chris

AJD said:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/cumbria/4484538.stm

Makes you wonder.

In the light of recent discussions, it inevitably occurs to me that if
they'd sent the MR a grid reference via their mobile phone then it
wouldn't have been necessary for "10 members of the Keswick team, 21
members of Wasdale, 24 members of Cockermouth as well as seven search
dogs and handlers" to go out.

I'm sure someone can quickly think of a good reason why I'm talking
rubbish, though.

Wet fishes,
--
,,
(**)PeeWiglet~~
/ \ / \ pee AT [guessthisbit].co.uk

AJD said:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/cumbria/4484538.stm

Makes you wonder.

In the light of recent discussions, it inevitably occurs to me that if
they'd sent the MR a grid reference via their mobile phone then it
wouldn't have been necessary for "10 members of the Keswick team, 21
members of Wasdale, 24 members of Cockermouth as well as seven search
dogs and handlers" to go out.

I'm sure someone can quickly think of a good reason why I'm talking
rubbish, though.

Wet fishes,
--
,,
(**)PeeWiglet~~
/ \ / \ pee AT [guessthisbit].co.uk

On Thu, 01 Dec 2005 16:01:21 +0000, Peewiglet <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

AJD said:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/cumbria/4484538.stm

Makes you wonder.

In the light of recent discussions, it inevitably occurs to me that if
they'd sent the MR a grid reference via their mobile phone then it
wouldn't have been necessary for "10 members of the Keswick team, 21
members of Wasdale, 24 members of Cockermouth as well as seven search
dogs and handlers" to go out.

I'm sure someone can quickly think of a good reason why I'm talking
rubbish, though.

And the point here, before what I've written is met with the usual
round of "if they didn't know how to do it then they shouldn't have
gone out" is that people who don't know what they're doing *will*
nonetheless continue to go out.

The point I'm making about carrying the GPS equates to mitigation of
damage. Instead of 41 MR peeps being able to make justifiable
complaint about the idiots who necessitated the call-out, maybe 4 or 5
would have done the trick.

Then again, it might be that 41 people prefer to go out, so that they
can all have something to say about it!

Wet fishes,
--
,,
(**)PeeWiglet~~
/ \ / \ pee AT [guessthisbit].co.uk

Peewiglet said:

"10 members of the Keswick team, 21
members of Wasdale, 24 members of Cockermouth as well as seven
search dogs and handlers" to go out.

That is merely a measure of enthusiasm and commitment and a
product of volunteering and decentralisations rather than
disproportionate response. I prefer it that way.

Chris

Chris Gilbert said:

Peewiglet said:

"10 members of the Keswick team, 21
members of Wasdale, 24 members of Cockermouth as well as seven
search dogs and handlers" to go out.

That is merely a measure of enthusiasm and commitment and a
product of volunteering and decentralisations rather than
disproportionate response. I prefer it that way.

That's fine as long as the MR members also prefer it that way, but the
manner of reporting on the BBC website suggested that it was actually
*necessary* for that many people to turn out to rescue the walkers.

It might well have been necessary for that many people to go out when
all they knew was that a couple were lost descending from Scafell, but
it wouldn't have been *necessary* if the MR team had been sent a grid
reference. That was the point I was making.

Wet fishes,
--
,,
(**)PeeWiglet~~
/ \ / \ pee AT [guessthisbit].co.uk

"Peewiglet" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

In the light of recent discussions, it inevitably occurs to me that if
they'd sent the MR a grid reference via their mobile phone then it
wouldn't have been necessary for "10 members of the Keswick team, 21
members of Wasdale, 24 members of Cockermouth as well as seven search
dogs and handlers" to go out.

I'm sure someone can quickly think of a good reason why I'm talking
rubbish, though.

I agree entirely. (Tried hard to think why I could say you were talking
rubbish first though obviously).

Quoted message said:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/cumbria/4484538.stm

Makes you wonder.

Too true. On the way down from Styhead Tarn on the 12 November, after a
visit to Great End, we came across a lassie and young daughter (about 12/13)
sat on a rock just above Stockley Bridge. Jeans, trainers and not much
else. Had a chat and the lassie said they had been to see where the path
was to Scafell Pike. I mentioned the path from Styhead was the Corridor
Route and not particularly easy. I mentioned there was the Grains Gill/Esk
Hause route, but again needed great care passing Ill Crag and Broad Crag.
More so in poor visibility. I also said to her about a map and compass
being 'handy' .... and her reply was 'will I need one of those?'. She said
they might try getting there on Sunday. Now, as it turned out Sunday (Great
Gable day) was a cracking clear day. I bet she tried it ..... ignorant of
the possible dangers.

And, I am sure there are people like that every weekend in the UK mountain
areas.

--
sandy saunders @ www.thewalkzone.co.uk
email: saunders.sandy at ntlworld.com

'Mountains or Mole Hills ... summiting still
brings the same excitement'

"sandy saunders" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

Too true. On the way down from Styhead Tarn on the 12 November, after a
visit to Great End, we came across a lassie and young daughter (about

12/13)

Quoted message said:

sat on a rock just above Stockley Bridge. Jeans, trainers and not much
else. Had a chat and the lassie said they had been to see where the path
was to Scafell Pike. I mentioned the path from Styhead was the Corridor
Route and not particularly easy. I mentioned there was the Grains

Gill/Esk

Quoted message said:

Hause route, but again needed great care passing Ill Crag and Broad Crag.
More so in poor visibility. I also said to her about a map and compass
being 'handy' .... and her reply was 'will I need one of those?'. She

said

Quoted message said:

they might try getting there on Sunday. Now, as it turned out Sunday

(Great

Quoted message said:

Gable day) was a cracking clear day. I bet she tried it ..... ignorant of
the possible dangers.

And, I am sure there are people like that every weekend in the UK mountain
areas.

I'm sure there are and doesn't the fact that they invariably come back alive
having had a pleasant time tell you something? Like maybe that all the
fancy clothes and equipment that most people take is unnecessary and that
hills aren't the dangerous places a lot of people try to make out?

"sandy saunders" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

Too true. On the way down from Styhead Tarn on the 12 November, after a
visit to Great End, we came across a lassie and young daughter (about

12/13)

Quoted message said:

sat on a rock just above Stockley Bridge. Jeans, trainers and not much
else. Had a chat and the lassie said they had been to see where the path
was to Scafell Pike. I mentioned the path from Styhead was the Corridor
Route and not particularly easy. I mentioned there was the Grains

Gill/Esk

Quoted message said:

Hause route, but again needed great care passing Ill Crag and Broad Crag.
More so in poor visibility. I also said to her about a map and compass
being 'handy' .... and her reply was 'will I need one of those?'. She

said

Quoted message said:

they might try getting there on Sunday. Now, as it turned out Sunday

(Great

Quoted message said:

Gable day) was a cracking clear day. I bet she tried it ..... ignorant of
the possible dangers.

And, I am sure there are people like that every weekend in the UK mountain
areas.

I'm sure there are and doesn't the fact that they invariably come back alive
having had a pleasant time tell you something? Like maybe that all the
fancy clothes and equipment that most people take is unnecessary and that
hills aren't the dangerous places a lot of people try to make out?

Quoted message said:

I'm sure there are and doesn't the fact that they invariably come back

alive

Quoted message said:

having had a pleasant time tell you something? Like maybe that all the
fancy clothes and equipment that most people take is unnecessary and that
hills aren't the dangerous places a lot of people try to make out?

Too true. But if you plan your day properly taking into account when it
will get dark and that above 500m it tends to be considerably colder
especially this time of year you should be safe. I don't own a GPS (but if
Santa is reading yes please) and manage perfectly well with 1:25000 OS and
silva type 4 compass. Top of Cheviot few weeks ago I sat with flask,
gloves, hat and all clothing layers I had feeling quite snug when out of the
mist jogged 5 Royal Marines in t shirts and shorts with full packs. They
sat next to me and chatted for 5 minutes before jogging off into the mist.
Maybe to partake in some sort of bizarre initiation ceremony! But it's
horses for courses.

AJD

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from "AndyP" <[email hidden]> contains these words:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

And, I am sure there are people like that every weekend in the UK mountain
areas.

Quoted message said:

I'm sure there are and doesn't the fact that they invariably come back alive
having had a pleasant time tell you something? Like maybe that all the
fancy clothes and equipment that most people take is unnecessary and that
hills aren't the dangerous places a lot of people try to make out?

Some of them only come back courtesy of the Mountain Rescue. Sadly a few
of them come back distinctly dead and the occasional one doesn't come
back at all.

--
Roger Chapman so far this year 62 summits
New - 28 (Marilyns 14, Nuttalls 5, Outlying Fells 10)
Repeats - 34 (Marilyns 16, Nuttalls 24, Wainwrights 12, Outlying Fells 0)

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Quoted message said:

"AJD" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/cumbria/4484538.stm

Makes you wonder.

The "close to the summit of Greta End, on an area known as The Band" bit
in
the report made me wonder. Anyway, don't know about anyone else but I
found
my Petzl Tikka to be very little use for route finding descending in the
combination of darkness and fog the other night.

Good point. There are more important skills than remembering to bring a
torch, which can sometimes be a little more than useless if it's used for
anything other than mapwork.

Graham

"Roger" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I'm sure there are and doesn't the fact that they invariably come back

alive

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

having had a pleasant time tell you something? Like maybe that all the
fancy clothes and equipment that most people take is unnecessary and

that

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

hills aren't the dangerous places a lot of people try to make out?

Some of them only come back courtesy of the Mountain Rescue. Sadly a few
of them come back distinctly dead and the occasional one doesn't come
back at all.

Equally true of the people who do have all the latest kit. I don't think
the difference between a good day out and becoming a rescue statistic is
choice of clothing, footwear, or even lack of map or lack of experience as
far as the original example of walking on paths in the Lake District is
concerned. It's just sense and attitude.

On Thu, 01 Dec 2005 12:11:48 GMT
in <news:[email hidden]>
Richard Webb <[email hidden]> wrote :

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Perhaps we all need to make sure that the ironmongery is wearing rubber
when in transit (or even the boot of the car).

Can you be bothered with all that easily lost stuff.

No. It was tic.

Quoted message said:

I save mine for
alpine trips when the metalwork is in hold luggage.

And if The Power wants to make life difficult, a piece of rubber wont
stop them. An offensive weapon is an offensive weapon.

My safety on the hill is non negotiable.

I use the same anti-forget feature that you do!

--
Children in backseats cause accidents
Accidents in backseats cause children