scafell

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I'm sure there are and doesn't the fact that they invariably come
back alive
having had a pleasant time tell you something? Like maybe that all the
fancy clothes and equipment that most people take is unnecessary and that
hills aren't the dangerous places a lot of people try to make out?

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Some of them only come back courtesy of the Mountain Rescue. Sadly a few
of them come back distinctly dead and the occasional one doesn't come
back at all.

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Equally true of the people who do have all the latest kit. I don't think
the difference between a good day out and becoming a rescue statistic is
choice of clothing, footwear, or even lack of map or lack of experience as
far as the original example of walking on paths in the Lake District is
concerned. It's just sense and attitude.

Common sense would suggest that you pick the appropriate gear, not the
most expensive, but certainly not the inappropriate. However that is
hardly the point. Your remarks I was responding to clearly said "that
they invariably come back alive" which is certainly not true and, if
taken at face value, suggests that all the casualties would be from
among those who were better prepared.

--
Roger Chapman so far this year 62 summits
New - 28 (Marilyns 14, Nuttalls 5, Outlying Fells 10)
Repeats - 34 (Marilyns 16, Nuttalls 24, Wainwrights 12, Outlying Fells 0)

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I'm sure there are and doesn't the fact that they invariably come back
alive
having had a pleasant time tell you something? Like maybe that all the
fancy clothes and equipment that most people take is unnecessary and that
hills aren't the dangerous places a lot of people try to make out?

Invest in one of the MRT Annual Report and read the annual rescues.

I don't have a problem with people going into the hills, but common sense
and weather/map knowledge I believe is essential, particularly in the more
remote regions. OK, in the UK remoteness isn't the same as many regions
around the world. But stuck on top of Scafell Pike as light fades in winter
when the mist has descended, no map, compass or basic navigation skills is a
recipe for disaster. Which also impacts on decent hard working people who
give up their free time to venture out in all weather to, as often the case,
carry out rescues that should never arise.

--
sandy saunders @ www.thewalkzone.co.uk
email: saunders.sandy at ntlworld.com

'Mountains or Mole Hills ... summiting still
brings the same excitement'

Quoted message said:

I'm sure there are and doesn't the fact that they invariably come back
alive
having had a pleasant time tell you something? Like maybe that all the
fancy clothes and equipment that most people take is unnecessary and that
hills aren't the dangerous places a lot of people try to make out?

Invest in one of the MRT Annual Report and read the annual rescues.

I don't have a problem with people going into the hills, but common sense
and weather/map knowledge I believe is essential, particularly in the more
remote regions. OK, in the UK remoteness isn't the same as many regions
around the world. But stuck on top of Scafell Pike as light fades in winter
when the mist has descended, no map, compass or basic navigation skills is a
recipe for disaster. Which also impacts on decent hard working people who
give up their free time to venture out in all weather to, as often the case,
carry out rescues that should never arise.

--
sandy saunders @ www.thewalkzone.co.uk
email: saunders.sandy at ntlworld.com

'Mountains or Mole Hills ... summiting still
brings the same excitement'

"Roger" <[email hidden]> wrote

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Common sense would suggest that you pick the appropriate gear, not the
most expensive, but certainly not the inappropriate. However that is
hardly the point. Your remarks I was responding to clearly said "that
they invariably come back alive" which is certainly not true and, if
taken at face value, suggests that all the casualties would be from
among those who were better prepared.

True, I did type virtually invariably to start with but thought that sounded
a bit silly and unnecessary to the point.

"Roger" <[email hidden]> wrote

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Common sense would suggest that you pick the appropriate gear, not the
most expensive, but certainly not the inappropriate. However that is
hardly the point. Your remarks I was responding to clearly said "that
they invariably come back alive" which is certainly not true and, if
taken at face value, suggests that all the casualties would be from
among those who were better prepared.

True, I did type virtually invariably to start with but thought that sounded
a bit silly and unnecessary to the point.

AJD said:

Top of Cheviot few weeks ago I sat with flask,
gloves, hat and all clothing layers I had feeling quite snug when out of the
mist jogged 5 Royal Marines in t shirts and shorts with full packs.

They must have got dressed when they saw you in the distance!

Judith

Judith said:

AJD said:

Top of Cheviot few weeks ago I sat with flask,
gloves, hat and all clothing layers I had feeling quite snug when out of the
mist jogged 5 Royal Marines in t shirts and shorts with full packs.

They must have got dressed when they saw you in the distance!

Or undressed 🙂

Wet fishes,
--
,,
(**)PeeWiglet~~
/ \ / \ pee AT [guessthisbit].co.uk

"sandy saunders" <[email hidden]> wrote

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Invest in one of the MRT Annual Report and read the annual rescues.

Thankfully if you look through either the Langdale MRT or Keswick MRT
websites they don't see fit to mention the wearing of jeans and trainers as
being a cause of any of their callouts as far as I can see. That's probably
because they aren't.

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I don't have a problem with people going into the hills, but common sense
and weather/map knowledge I believe is essential, particularly in the more
remote regions. OK, in the UK remoteness isn't the same as many regions
around the world. But stuck on top of Scafell Pike as light fades in

winter

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when the mist has descended, no map, compass or basic navigation skills is

a

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recipe for disaster.

Yes, the key word there being sense. People with sense will know their
abilities and act appropriately so that they don't get into situations they
can't handle. And if they don't have a map or warm clothing they'll stick
to somewhere they can find their way back from and turn back if they start
to get cold. There's no reason to assume everyone in jeans and trainers
without a rucksack is an accident waiting to happen.