Thieving abstrads!

"Just zis Guy, you know?" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Michael's bike was stolen today from the locked bike cages at school,
along with one other bike. All the BMXs were untouched...

I do hope the school are taking this suitably seriously....

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On the plus side, plod will now accept crime reports via the electric
telephone, removing the necessity to visit same at their place of
work.

I hope he gets his bike back, but somehow, I doubt it 🙁

Whoever took his bike deserves a slabbing. In the meantime, I have cursed
them and the fruit of their loins for 100 generations...

Cheers, helen s

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"wafflycat" <w*a*ff£y£cat*@£btco*nn£ect.com> wrote in message
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"Just zis Guy, you know?" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Michael's bike was stolen today from the locked bike cages at school,
along with one other bike. All the BMXs were untouched...

I do hope the school are taking this suitably seriously....

And a thought... as it was stolen from school property, from a locked school
store - school insurance should cough up if the bike is not returned. If the
school does not take the theft seriously, making noises about claiming the
value from the school insurance policy, especially if the bike is worth more
than the standard £59.99 full-susser... may encourage the school to take it
seriously. When Nathan had stuff go missing from college (from the changing
room where college tol dhim to leave stuff), I informed the college of the
cost of the items and all of a sudden much activity went into recovery of
stuff and lo! it reappeared ffaster than a PSF could hurl a paving slab!

Cheers, helen s

I submit that on or about Mon, 28 Nov 2005 17:11:04 +0000 (UTC), the
person known to the court as "wafflycat"
<w*a*ff£y£cat*@£btco*nn£ect.com> made a statement
(<[email hidden]> in Your Honour's
bundle) to the following effect:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Michael's bike was stolen today from the locked bike cages at school,
along with one other bike. All the BMXs were untouched...

I do hope the school are taking this suitably seriously....

Ho yus. CCTV tapes are in the safe awaiting the tender ministrations
of HM Constabulary.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

On the plus side, plod will now accept crime reports via the electric
telephone, removing the necessity to visit same at their place of
work.

I hope he gets his bike back, but somehow, I doubt it 🙁

You never know, but it would be remarkable. I'm sure that Giant
Boulder bikes in near-new condition find a ready market in the
informal economy in the run-up to Chrimbling-yule.

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Whoever took his bike deserves a slabbing. In the meantime, I have cursed
them and the fruit of their loins for 100 generations...

Indeed. Further, I recommend that their goolies be cut off.

Guy
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http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk

"To every complex problem there is a solution which is
simple, neat and wrong" - HL Mencken

Unfortunately, if it's an LEA school, the authority normally
self-insures, so you are basically claiming off the authority. They
will not normally cover personal poseessions brought onto school
premises (though it's always worth asking!!) and will no doubt point
you at some small print to this effect.

"iakobski" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Unfortunately, if it's an LEA school, the authority normally
self-insures, so you are basically claiming off the authority. They
will not normally cover personal poseessions brought onto school
premises (though it's always worth asking!!) and will no doubt point
you at some small print to this effect.

When we checked about Nathan's bike being on school premises, it would be
covered, but exceedingly difficult to claim. How accurate that is, I don't
know, it may be it was said as a disincentive to claim should the need
arise... When Nathan's general stuff went missing, to be fair the school did
say it would reimburse the cost of stuff. But a face did blanch a tad when I
mentioned the costs of the items, which were swiftly found after that!

Cheers, helen s

On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 17:14:19 +0000 (UTC), "wafflycat"

w*a*ff£y£cat*@£btco*nn£ect.com said:

And a thought... as it was stolen from school property, from a locked school
store - school insurance should cough up if the bike is not returned. If the
school does not take the theft seriously, making noises about claiming the
value from the school insurance policy, especially if the bike is worth more
than the standard £59.99 full-susser... may encourage the school to take it
seriously. When Nathan had stuff go missing from college (from the changing
room where college tol dhim to leave stuff), I informed the college of the
cost of the items and all of a sudden much activity went into recovery of
stuff and lo! it reappeared ffaster than a PSF could hurl a paving slab!

The above illustrates exactly why many schools are scared of providing
cycle storage.

Schools are not usually liable for the loss of personal effects
brought onto their premises.

"Bertie Wiggins" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 17:14:19 +0000 (UTC), "wafflycat"

w*a*ff£y£cat*@£btco*nn£ect.com said:

And a thought... as it was stolen from school property, from a locked
school
store - school insurance should cough up if the bike is not returned. If
the
school does not take the theft seriously, making noises about claiming the
value from the school insurance policy, especially if the bike is worth
more
than the standard £59.99 full-susser... may encourage the school to take
it
seriously. When Nathan had stuff go missing from college (from the
changing
room where college tol dhim to leave stuff), I informed the college of the
cost of the items and all of a sudden much activity went into recovery of
stuff and lo! it reappeared ffaster than a PSF could hurl a paving slab!

The above illustrates exactly why many schools are scared of providing
cycle storage.

It should do nothing more than show why theft be taken seriously. I can see
from the number of cars parked in schools that they aren't afraid of
providing car parking for staff ;-)

Cheers, helen s

On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 18:58:39 +0000 (UTC), "wafflycat"

w*a*ff£y£cat*@£btco*nn£ect.com said:

It should do nothing more than show why theft be taken seriously. I can see
from the number of cars parked in schools that they aren't afraid of
providing car parking for staff ;-)

And the school wouldn't even consider compensating a staff member
whose car was stolen.

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And the school wouldn't even consider compensating a staff member
whose car was stolen.

Or damaged.....

The NAS/UWT provides £50 worth of cover for damage occuring in the
playground. My school offers a buy-in option for insurance against damage
in the playground.

wafflycat said:

"Just zis Guy, you know?" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Michael's bike was stolen today from the locked bike cages at school,
along with one other bike. All the BMXs were untouched...

I do hope the school are taking this suitably seriously....

Quoted message said:

On the plus side, plod will now accept crime reports via the electric
telephone, removing the necessity to visit same at their place of
work.

I hope he gets his bike back, but somehow, I doubt it 🙁

Whoever took his bike deserves a slabbing. In the meantime, I have cursed
them and the fruit of their loins for 100 generations...

Cheers, helen s

Lions don't produce fruit, do they? I shouldn't like to try and pick
it, if they do.

wafflycat said:

"Just zis Guy, you know?" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Michael's bike was stolen today from the locked bike cages at school,
along with one other bike. All the BMXs were untouched...

I do hope the school are taking this suitably seriously....

Quoted message said:

On the plus side, plod will now accept crime reports via the electric
telephone, removing the necessity to visit same at their place of
work.

I hope he gets his bike back, but somehow, I doubt it 🙁

Whoever took his bike deserves a slabbing. In the meantime, I have cursed
them and the fruit of their loins for 100 generations...

Cheers, helen s

Lions don't produce fruit, do they? I shouldn't like to try and pick
it, if they do.

"Bertie Wiggins" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 18:58:39 +0000 (UTC), "wafflycat"

w*a*ff£y£cat*@£btco*nn£ect.com said:

It should do nothing more than show why theft be taken seriously. I can
see
from the number of cars parked in schools that they aren't afraid of
providing car parking for staff ;-)

And the school wouldn't even consider compensating a staff member
whose car was stolen.

Well in the case of my son's stuff. It was left where he had been instructed
to leave it. We offered to buy at our own cost - no cost to college - a
secure locker, which once Nathan left the college, the college could keep to
use as it wanted, if it wanted. This offer was refused, with the college
saying it would fund the purchase. *months* later, despite repeating our
offer to make the purchase, and said offer refused again, and us being told
again that the college would fund the purchase, the locker had not
materialised and Nathan's stuff went missing. So in this case, the college
really didn't have much option other than to offer to replace the missing
items. If Nathan had just left stuff lying anywhere and it had gone
walkies - tough - his loss and I'd tell him not to be so stupid again. But
that wasn't the case.

Cheers, helen s

On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 20:06:08 +0000 (UTC), "wafflycat"

w*a*ff£y£cat*@£btco*nn£ect.com said:

Well in the case of my son's stuff. It was left where he had been instructed
to leave it. We offered to buy at our own cost - no cost to college - a
secure locker, which once Nathan left the college, the college could keep to
use as it wanted, if it wanted. This offer was refused, with the college
saying it would fund the purchase. *months* later, despite repeating our
offer to make the purchase, and said offer refused again, and us being told
again that the college would fund the purchase, the locker had not
materialised and Nathan's stuff went missing. So in this case, the college
really didn't have much option other than to offer to replace the missing
items. If Nathan had just left stuff lying anywhere and it had gone
walkies - tough - his loss and I'd tell him not to be so stupid again. But
that wasn't the case.

If the school or college has been negligent in any way, it would be
liable.

Providing cycle storage is not negligent. Refusing to allow a child
to lock their bike with their own lock would be negligent.

"Bertie Wiggins" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 20:06:08 +0000 (UTC), "wafflycat"

w*a*ff£y£cat*@£btco*nn£ect.com said:

Well in the case of my son's stuff. It was left where he had been
instructed
to leave it. We offered to buy at our own cost - no cost to college - a
secure locker, which once Nathan left the college, the college could keep
to
use as it wanted, if it wanted. This offer was refused, with the college
saying it would fund the purchase. *months* later, despite repeating our
offer to make the purchase, and said offer refused again, and us being
told
again that the college would fund the purchase, the locker had not
materialised and Nathan's stuff went missing. So in this case, the college
really didn't have much option other than to offer to replace the missing
items. If Nathan had just left stuff lying anywhere and it had gone
walkies - tough - his loss and I'd tell him not to be so stupid again. But
that wasn't the case.

If the school or college has been negligent in any way, it would be
liable.

Indeed. And as it had said it was providing secure storage for Nathan's
stuff then didn't, and still didn't even when followed up, and even when
someone else had offered to pay the bill for providing the storage. In this
case, I think it had been negligent, in particular with regard to the delay
it showed in providing the locker: most especially after it actually didn't
have to bear the cost of the purchase.

If Nathan had just left the stuff lying around anywhere then the college
would not have been negligent; it would have been 'tough titties' to Nathan
in that case.

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Providing cycle storage is not negligent.

I didn't say that it was. What I did say that theft should be viewed
seriously.

Cheers, helen s

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Refusing to allow a child
to lock their bike with their own lock would be negligent.

in message <[email hidden]>, Just zis Guy,

you know? (') said:

Michael's bike was stolen today from the locked bike cages at school,
along with one other bike. All the BMXs were untouched...

Was the lock damaged, perchance?

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;; attributed to Kim Philby, oddly enough.

On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 20:52:53 +0000 (UTC), "wafflycat"

w*a*ff£y£cat*@£btco*nn£ect.com said:

Quoted message said:

Providing cycle storage is not negligent.

I didn't say that it was. What I did say that theft should be viewed
seriously.

"And a thought... as it was stolen from school property, from a locked
school store - school insurance should cough up if the bike is not
returned."

It was this sentence which misled me to believe you felt the school
had been negligent.

At my school the bicycle pound is opened at 8.30 and locked at 9.15,
opened at 3.00 and locked again at 3.45. It is up to children to lock
their bikes within the pound.

On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 21:15:07 +0000, Simon Brooke
<[email hidden]> said in
<[email hidden]>:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Michael's bike was stolen today from the locked bike cages at school,
along with one other bike. All the BMXs were untouched...

Was the lock damaged, perchance?

Missing in its entirety, but there were fragments of the other bike's
locks present. There is a witness to him having locked it.

Guy
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http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk

"To every complex problem there is a solution which is
simple, neat and wrong" - HL Mencken

Just zis Guy said:

Quoted message said:

Whoever took his bike deserves a slabbing. In the meantime, I have cursed
them and the fruit of their loins for 100 generations...

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Indeed. Further, I recommend that their goolies be cut off.

I don't think you can cut off their goolies /and/ have 100 generations
cursed (c.f."birds and bees"😉... Not that I'm against any degree of
belt /and/ braces in this instance, mind. Maybe they should be shot and
the bodies burned just for good measure.

Pete.
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Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
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in message <[email hidden]>, Just zis Guy,

you know? (') said:

On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 21:15:07 +0000, Simon Brooke
<[email hidden]> said in
<[email hidden]>:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Michael's bike was stolen today from the locked bike cages at school,
along with one other bike. All the BMXs were untouched...

Was the lock damaged, perchance?

Missing in its entirety, but there were fragments of the other bike's
locks present. There is a witness to him having locked it.

No, I meant the lock to the bike cage itself. If the lock to that was
undamaged, it implies a theft by someone with authorised access to the
cage, which is a smaller group of suspects.

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