Russ Price <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:Edward Dolan <[email hidden]> wrote:
[ McCarthy a hero... ]
Hmmm... why didn't the killfile work?
(examines .tin/filter)
Ah, that explains it... the newsreader is set to auto-hot threads that I start, overriding the
killfile for any replies. Otherwise, I would have never seen your little bit of demagoguery.
I am calling a spade a spade. It was your attack on McCarthy that now reeks of demagoguery because
by now everyone should know better. Whittaker Chamber's book "Witness" is a masterpiece. Everyone
should read it.
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:...when the remainder of the treasonous liberals from that era have gone to their eternal reward
(the fires of hell I hope).
That's pretty despicable of you. I guess you have no sense of decency, either.
See my explanation below for the use of the word treasonous. Those intellectual [censored] who aided
and abetted the Soviet Union should have spent some time in Stalin's Gulags, a true hell on earth.
Quoted message said:Try *reading* your Bible, rather than thumping it, and wishing damnation on others. Eternal
rewards are God's decision, not yours!
"Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive,
and you will be forgiven." -Luke 6:37
There are no answers to be found in the Bible that can not be found by correct reasoning and
studying the examples from history. But the Bible does not hurt anyone either, so I am for it.
Quoted message said:You sure are eager to fling accusations of treason against anyone who doesn't toe the Party Line.
Where have I seen such logic before?
Granted it is a form of name calling but the liberals constantly get away with name calling and
everyone (the liberal media) always overlook it because of their so-called "good and noble"
intentions. Well, I am fed up with it and I am into name calling because the liberals are into name
calling and always have been my entire life.
Quoted message said:Ah, yes. Such logic prevails in totalitarian regimes like the late, unlamented USSR, or Pinochet's
Chile, Argentina under the junta, Red China, Castro's Cuba, Saudi Arabia, Saddam's Iraq, I could
go on. Now the neocons are sending what is supposed to be the Land of the Free down the same path.
The neocons are saving this country from what would otherwise be the new disasters emanating from
the left. Would you really want the left to be in charge of our national security when terrorists
are on the point of acquiring nuclear weapons?
Quoted message said:You know nothing whatsoever about me if you think that I support communism [1]. As far as I'm
concerned, communism and fascism are opposite sides of the same coin - that of oppression, of
privileged elites running roughshod over anyone who dares to get in their way, of systematic
impoverishment of the populace, of demonizing or destroying outright anyone who dares to question
or criticize the "leadership."
Agreed. I am all for criticizing the leadership, but the kind of name calling that goes on in this
newsgroup is disgusting and vile. And these are not really stupid people that are doing this either
(although I call them stupid) but on the contrary are quite intelligent people. How do you account
for it? Maybe they are not such good people as you think.
Quoted message said:As for McCarthy, he employed the very same tactics that the communists used - systematic character
assasination, show trials, blacklisting, backroom threats, smear campaigns. Funny how, once he was
exposed as the bully that he was, he slunk away and died in alcoholic obscurity. A fitting end for
a would-be tyrant.
You have to fight fire with fire. I always greatly sympathized with McCarthy. He got a bum rap. How
else were you going to alert the American people to the communist menace other than by kicking a few
butts? The Dems were asleep at the wheel and seemed not to take the communist conspiracy seriously -
the same way now that they did not take Saddam's Iraq seriously. Why are the Dems always so weak
when it comes to defending this country against it's enemies? McCarthy did not deserve to go out the
way he did. He was a tragic figure.
Quoted message said:Yes, the Soviet government was evil [2], but should American politicians lower themselves to the
same level? We're supposed to be better than that. Sadly, a lot of lessons have gone unlearned.
The Soviets were far more than evil. They were bent on world conquest. McCarthy woke us up to that
menace. How do you think they ever got nuclear weapons in the first place except by stealing our
secrets from us (the Rosenbergs)? We were infinitely better than the Soviets, but that does not mean
we should have let them walk all over us. World politics is often a nasty business and the main
thing is to see that the good guys (us) come out on top no matter what. Let me repeat that
- no matter what.
Quoted message said:[1] Communism as Marx envisioned it is, in my opinion, inherently unworkable. Communism as
practiced in the real world doesn't even vaguely resemble what Marx propounded, in spite of
the rhetoric used. It actually looks more like a fascist system taken to its utmost.
You are quite right about that and it was precisely the reason why this country produced a McCarthy
and why he was so badly needed. The liberal left has never understood communism. They have always
sympathized with it. Communism was tried for over half a century by the most serious and
intellectual men that the world has ever known. They did not bungle it. It just does not work
because it goes against human nature. It is a utopian scheme just like perfect Christianity is a
utopian scheme. Almost all forms of government where coercion is the main factor goes back to the
earliest form of government of which we have knowledge, that of oriental despotism.
Quoted message said:[2] An opinion I've held for decades. Years ago, I read, for example, Boris Levytsky's _The Uses
of Terror_, and Alexander Solzhenitsyn's _The Gulag Archepelago_. Ed, If you think I'm naïve
about the USSR, then you clearly don't have a clue.
No, I don't think you are naive about the Soviet Union but so many Americans of the intellectual and
academic left were extremely naive and many still are. The vilifying of McCarthy really ought to
stop now that there is no longer any excuse for being ignorant about that era of our history. When
you condemn McCarthy you lead others to believe that you are naive about communism.
I am calling the left treasonous because like Ann Coulter I believe they have consistently been on
the wrong side of history and there is really no other way to explain it. They do not like America
and the kind of freedoms that ordinary people have in this country. They are not much different
really than the communists in that they want to rule the people and the less the people have to say
about it the better as far as they are concerned. The intellectual left sees itself as a ruling
class. All they are interested in is exercising power. Did you see Ed Asner on the Hannity show the
other night? He is the most beautiful example of what a liberal is like when they are out of power
- disgruntled and sour, mean and vicious, and politeness is out of the question.
Quoted message said:*sigh* Time to go for a ride, before I get more depressed.
There is nothing to get depressed about. We are having a serious discussion about important matters.
This is the highlight of my day. Thanks for the intellectual stimulation.
Ed Dolan - Minnesota
