Sheryl does good

Quoted message said:

Nice to see Sheryl there, but I have no idea what the hell she has to
do with his legacy.
Bill C

Bill,

Sheryl has always said that J. Cash was one of her biggest influences.

-Philip

On 16 Nov 2005 17:21:06 -0800, "Bill C" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Didn't see Lance in attendance yet, but Sheryl did an OK job on "Ring
of Fire".
http://www.cnn.com/2005/SHOWBIZ/Music/10/27/people.cashtribute.ap/
It amazes me to see them falling all over each other now to honor the
man when nobody gave a [censored] 10 years ago.
"Hurt" brought him back, along with his courage to go with a whole
different style of production, and work with different people.
There's not anybody who's more popular that has talked for more
Americans than he did.
Nice to see Sheryl there, but I have no idea what the hell she has to
do with his legacy.

I'm not into country music, but got one of his CDs and it's very
moving. And good.

JT

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On 16 Nov 2005 17:21:06 -0800, "Bill C" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Didn't see Lance in attendance yet, but Sheryl did an OK job on "Ring
of Fire".
http://www.cnn.com/2005/SHOWBIZ/Music/10/27/people.cashtribute.ap/
It amazes me to see them falling all over each other now to honor the
man when nobody gave a [censored] 10 years ago.
"Hurt" brought him back, along with his courage to go with a whole
different style of production, and work with different people.
There's not anybody who's more popular that has talked for more
Americans than he did.
Nice to see Sheryl there, but I have no idea what the hell she has to
do with his legacy.

I'm not into country music, but got one of his CDs and it's very
moving. And good.

JT

One of the coolest things that happened to me was to be given a
bootleg copy of "Bitter Tears" by one of my friends who's family is
prominent in the Iroquois Nation. She's a hellcat and has repeatedly
been thrown out and forcibly restrained from council meetings because
she's a woman. Family politics played a huge part in it, but they love
Johnny Cash.
IMO he's America. He was a nobody, worked his ass off, screwed up,
recovered, never forgot it, stood up for those who were like him,
fought the establishment for Americans, and never gave in.
I've never seen Sheryl as a disciple of the Cash legacy, but if she
takes a stand now, that's really cool.
Norah Jones was incredible with kris kristofferson. Her talent is just
off the scale, and she'd be god if she sold out to commercially. Ella
Fitzgerald is GOD of course and she'd have to Ok it though.
Folk, Bluegrass, traditional country, and Jazz are cool because they
chronicle the people.
Sheryl seems to keep appearing on the right side of things, but I'm
just not sure about her.
Bill C

In article <[email hidden]>,

Bill C said:

Didn't see Lance in attendance yet, but Sheryl did an OK job on "Ring
of Fire".
http://www.cnn.com/2005/SHOWBIZ/Music/10/27/people.cashtribute.ap/
It amazes me to see them falling all over each other now to honor the
man when nobody gave a [censored] 10 years ago.
"Hurt" brought him back, along with his courage to go with a whole
different style of production, and work with different people.
There's not anybody who's more popular that has talked for more
Americans than he did.
Nice to see Sheryl there, but I have no idea what the hell she has to
do with his legacy.
Bill C

Johnny Cash has always been popular and respected by musicians in America
(and abroad), but in the last 15 years or so, it's been among the alternative
crowd, for the most part. He went to Rick Rubin and his label because the people
running the labels that he *would* have been working for (the so-called
"country" labels) simply were not interested in him. Billy Ray Cyrus was "it"
for them. How short sighted.

Sheryl Crow doesn't have anything to do with his legacy, but she's a fan. And
it was a tribute, so there she is.

--
tanx,
Howard

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Bill C says...

Quoted message said:

It amazes me to see them falling all over each other now to honor the
man when nobody gave a [censored] 10 years ago.

You are so out of touch it's not even funny. If you'd said "12 years ago", you
would have been closer to the mark, but still out to lunch. In '94, Cash
released his first American Recordings set to critical acclaim followed by a
huge groundswell of new popularity. Back from the ashes for what, like the 5th
time? Many of the new Cash fans were young kids that knew nothing of his
legacy. If you don't own American Recordings 1, you ought to check it out. It
is a bit uneven in a few spots in my opinion but as I listen to it more and
more, my appreciation grows. The good stuff is full value, and the simple
production puts his voice right where it belongs out front. The audiophile mags
even went ga-ga.

Quoted message said:

"Hurt" brought him back, along with his courage to go with a whole
different style of production, and work with different people.

Hurt was on the 4th American Recordings disc, released not long before his
death. He'd been on a roll for a decade by the time Hurt made waves. Sorry you
missed it - he closed out his career with an incredible flourish that included 4
discs during the decade you declared to be empty space. Not bad for an old guy
that had endured more pain than many of us could survive. The first and second
American Recordins discs generated big sales, great reviews and sellout
audiences at his shows. All the attention was well-deserved. If you missed the
second American Recordings disc (Unchained) from '98, you owe it to yourself to
check it out. It is arguably the finest album of his entire career, covering
Beck's "Rowboat", Soundgarden's "Rusty Cage, Tom Petty's "Southern Accents, Don
Gibson's "Sea of Heartbreak plus some excellent tunes he wrote, including
"Country Boy", "Mean Eyed Cat" and "Meet Me In Heaven". His versions of "I've
Been Everywhere" and "I Never Picked Cotton" are definitive to say the least.
Only Johnny could cover such a range of material with creativity, soul and a
distinctive voice.

Quoted message said:

There's not anybody who's more popular that has talked for more
Americans than he did.

He still is the man and it's cool that you know something of him, but your "10
years ago" comment completely disrespects the turnaround he and Rick Rubin
pulled off a bit over 11 years ago. Their story is roots Americana at its best
and if you don't know it, search it out.

Quoted message said:

Nice to see Sheryl there, but I have no idea what the hell she has to
do with his legacy.

She gave an interview a while back about loving his stuff as a kid, meeting him
in his later years, etc. I like lots of her music but found her version of Ring
of Fire tonight to be limp. The show as a whole didn't hold a candle to the CMT
memorial shown not long after his death. But I'll still go see the movie.

seeing this kind of post on rbr is truly sad.

this is like first year grad school. sad [censored] namedropping and
trying to outcool each other with their knowledge of music or writing
or whatever it is urbane people are supposed to be into.

Mad Dog said:

Bill C says...

Quoted message said:

It amazes me to see them falling all over each other now to honor the
man when nobody gave a [censored] 10 years ago.

You are so out of touch it's not even funny. If you'd said "12 years ago", you
would have been closer to the mark, but still out to lunch. In '94, Cash
released his first American Recordings set to critical acclaim followed by a
huge groundswell of new popularity. Back from the ashes for what, like the 5th
time? Many of the new Cash fans were young kids that knew nothing of his
legacy. If you don't own American Recordings 1, you ought to check it out. It
is a bit uneven in a few spots in my opinion but as I listen to it more and
more, my appreciation grows. The good stuff is full value, and the simple
production puts his voice right where it belongs out front. The audiophile mags
even went ga-ga.

Quoted message said:

"Hurt" brought him back, along with his courage to go with a whole
different style of production, and work with different people.

Hurt was on the 4th American Recordings disc, released not long before his
death. He'd been on a roll for a decade by the time Hurt made waves. Sorry you
missed it - he closed out his career with an incredible flourish that included 4
discs during the decade you declared to be empty space. Not bad for an old guy
that had endured more pain than many of us could survive. The first and second
American Recordins discs generated big sales, great reviews and sellout
audiences at his shows. All the attention was well-deserved. If you missed the
second American Recordings disc (Unchained) from '98, you owe it to yourself to
check it out. It is arguably the finest album of his entire career, covering
Beck's "Rowboat", Soundgarden's "Rusty Cage, Tom Petty's "Southern Accents, Don
Gibson's "Sea of Heartbreak plus some excellent tunes he wrote, including
"Country Boy", "Mean Eyed Cat" and "Meet Me In Heaven". His versions of "I've
Been Everywhere" and "I Never Picked Cotton" are definitive to say the least.
Only Johnny could cover such a range of material with creativity, soul and a
distinctive voice.

Quoted message said:

There's not anybody who's more popular that has talked for more
Americans than he did.

He still is the man and it's cool that you know something of him, but your "10
years ago" comment completely disrespects the turnaround he and Rick Rubin
pulled off a bit over 11 years ago. Their story is roots Americana at its best
and if you don't know it, search it out.

Quoted message said:

Nice to see Sheryl there, but I have no idea what the hell she has to
do with his legacy.

She gave an interview a while back about loving his stuff as a kid, meeting him
in his later years, etc. I like lots of her music but found her version of Ring
of Fire tonight to be limp. The show as a whole didn't hold a candle to the CMT
memorial shown not long after his death. But I'll still go see the movie.

amit says...

Quoted message said:

seeing this kind of post on rbr is truly sad.

Quoted message said:

this is like first year grad school. sad [censored] namedropping and
trying to outcool each other with their knowledge of music or writing
or whatever it is urbane people are supposed to be into.

Your view of the world is monodimensional and lifeless. What's sad is when a
jerk like you defends a guy that spews without knowing the facts. Just because
Bill got out of touch with Cash does not mean that everyone else did. Urbane
indeed, pusswad.

Quoted message said:

Mad Dog said:

Bill C says...

Quoted message said:

It amazes me to see them falling all over each other now to honor the
man when nobody gave a [censored] 10 years ago.

You are so out of touch it's not even funny. If you'd said "12 years ago", you
would have been closer to the mark, but still out to lunch. In '94, Cash
released his first American Recordings set to critical acclaim followed by a
huge groundswell of new popularity. Back from the ashes for what, like the 5th
time? Many of the new Cash fans were young kids that knew nothing of his
legacy. If you don't own American Recordings 1, you ought to check it out. It
is a bit uneven in a few spots in my opinion but as I listen to it more and
more, my appreciation grows. The good stuff is full value, and the simple
production puts his voice right where it belongs out front. The audiophile mags
even went ga-ga.

Quoted message said:

"Hurt" brought him back, along with his courage to go with a whole
different style of production, and work with different people.

Hurt was on the 4th American Recordings disc, released not long before his
death. He'd been on a roll for a decade by the time Hurt made waves. Sorry you
missed it - he closed out his career with an incredible flourish that included 4
discs during the decade you declared to be empty space. Not bad for an old guy
that had endured more pain than many of us could survive. The first and second
American Recordins discs generated big sales, great reviews and sellout
audiences at his shows. All the attention was well-deserved. If you missed the
second American Recordings disc (Unchained) from '98, you owe it to yourself to
check it out. It is arguably the finest album of his entire career, covering
Beck's "Rowboat", Soundgarden's "Rusty Cage, Tom Petty's "Southern Accents, Don
Gibson's "Sea of Heartbreak plus some excellent tunes he wrote, including
"Country Boy", "Mean Eyed Cat" and "Meet Me In Heaven". His versions of "I've
Been Everywhere" and "I Never Picked Cotton" are definitive to say the least.
Only Johnny could cover such a range of material with creativity, soul and a
distinctive voice.

Quoted message said:

There's not anybody who's more popular that has talked for more
Americans than he did.

He still is the man and it's cool that you know something of him, but your "10
years ago" comment completely disrespects the turnaround he and Rick Rubin
pulled off a bit over 11 years ago. Their story is roots Americana at its best
and if you don't know it, search it out.

Quoted message said:

Nice to see Sheryl there, but I have no idea what the hell she has to
do with his legacy.

She gave an interview a while back about loving his stuff as a kid, meeting him
in his later years, etc. I like lots of her music but found her version of Ring
of Fire tonight to be limp. The show as a whole didn't hold a candle to the CMT
memorial shown not long after his death. But I'll still go see the movie.

In article <[email hidden]>,

amit said:

seeing this kind of post on rbr is truly sad.

this is like first year grad school. sad [censored] namedropping and
trying to outcool each other with their knowledge of music or writing
or whatever it is urbane people are supposed to be into.

Well, liking music and paying attention to it is something some people are
interested in. Kind of like bicycle racing.

--
tanx,
Howard

The sheriff is near...

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

Howard Kveck said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

amit said:

seeing this kind of post on rbr is truly sad.

this is like first year grad school. sad [censored] namedropping and
trying to outcool each other with their knowledge of music or writing
or whatever it is urbane people are supposed to be into.

Well, liking music and paying attention to it is something some people are
interested in. Kind of like bicycle racing.

dumbass,

it's okay to be interested in music or vintage wine or african art or
whatever, it's the pretentious posturing about it that's kinda sad.

most people grow out of it by age 25 or so.

Mad Dog said:

What's sad is when a
jerk like you defends a guy that spews without knowing the facts.

dumbass,

i'm not defending bill.

it's just that you remind me of the insecure bores who'd talk your ear
off at grad student parties.

amit said:

Mad Dog said:

What's sad is when a
jerk like you defends a guy that spews without knowing the facts.

dumbass,

i'm not defending bill.

it's just that you remind me of the insecure bores who'd talk your ear
off at grad student parties.

The kind of people Quentin Tarrantino makes movies for.

ob-r.b.r. Kent Bostick played the cyclist who got shot in Natural Born
Killers.

In article <[email hidden]>,

amit said:

Howard Kveck said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

amit said:

seeing this kind of post on rbr is truly sad.

this is like first year grad school. sad [censored] namedropping and
trying to outcool each other with their knowledge of music or writing
or whatever it is urbane people are supposed to be into.

Well, liking music and paying attention to it is something some people
are
interested in. Kind of like bicycle racing.

dumbass,

it's okay to be interested in music or vintage wine or african art or
whatever, it's the pretentious posturing about it that's kinda sad.

most people grow out of it by age 25 or so.

It's not like I'm one to defend Bowser, but I didn't see anything too
offensively pretentious about what he wrote. It did go on for a bit longer than
I might have, and I don't completely agree with all he said, but I don't see how
that was any different than what we do in here regarding bikes. It's enthusiasm,
and being an enthusiast, that's all. I'm not sure how that becomes something an
"urbane person" does. And I have been around some (many?) people who take it
*way* further than he did - see: "college radio [censored]."

--
tanx,
Howard

The sheriff is near...

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

amit said:

or whatever it is urbane people are supposed to be into.

Urbane myths.

Howard Kveck said:

And I have been around some (many?) people who take it
*way* further than he did - see: "college radio [censored]."

howard, thanks for making me lol 🙂 i was in love with a real "college
radio [censored]" in college. every day he would assess the quality of my
character based on what tape i had in my walkman that day (yeah,
portable cd players weren't that common back when my old ass was in
college).

heather

On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 18:45:23 -0800, Howard Kveck <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Bill C said:

Didn't see Lance in attendance yet, but Sheryl did an OK job on "Ring
of Fire".
http://www.cnn.com/2005/SHOWBIZ/Music/10/27/people.cashtribute.ap/
It amazes me to see them falling all over each other now to honor the
man when nobody gave a [censored] 10 years ago.
"Hurt" brought him back, along with his courage to go with a whole
different style of production, and work with different people.
There's not anybody who's more popular that has talked for more
Americans than he did.
Nice to see Sheryl there, but I have no idea what the hell she has to
do with his legacy.
Bill C

Johnny Cash has always been popular and respected by musicians in America
(and abroad), but in the last 15 years or so, it's been among the alternative
crowd, for the most part. He went to Rick Rubin and his label because the people
running the labels that he *would* have been working for (the so-called
"country" labels) simply were not interested in him. Billy Ray Cyrus was "it"
for them. How short sighted.

All you need to know about the record industry is that in 1951 Frank Sinatra
could not get a record deal or even get re-signed on his old deal.

Ron

Mad Dog said:

amit says...

Quoted message said:

seeing this kind of post on rbr is truly sad.

Quoted message said:

this is like first year grad school. sad [censored] namedropping and
trying to outcool each other with their knowledge of music or writing
or whatever it is urbane people are supposed to be into.

Your view of the world is monodimensional and lifeless. What's sad is when a
jerk like you defends a guy that spews without knowing the facts. Just because
Bill got out of touch with Cash does not mean that everyone else did.

Honest, Cash had been getting no mainstream respect for years. It's cool that he
seemed to be well regarded in your circle and so on. But no, Johnny Cash was not
mainstream and really hasn't been for a long time.

Ron

On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 14:41:12 GMT, RonSonic <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Honest, Cash had been getting no mainstream respect for years. It's cool that he
seemed to be well regarded in your circle and so on. But no, Johnny Cash was not
mainstream and really hasn't been for a long time.

Mainstream isn't the same as it once was. If you define it only as
what's heard on your local radio station, then perhaps you're right.
If you define it as what well known musicians say, then Johnny Cash
has been well-respected continuously,including the last 15 years or
so. OTOH, if you don't include, say, Sonny Osborne as a serious
musician, then perhaps you're talking about a different stream
altogether.

So was Alison Krauss and Union Station mainstream before 'O Brother,
Where Art though'? How about Ralph Stanley? Are The Chieftains
mainstream?

Again, my point is that there is no real mainstream anymore. My son
and his friends aren't listening to Madonna, no matter how popular her
last album may be. Or Brittany Spaniel or whatever her name is. Is
mainstream what the teenyboppers listen to?

Not sure if they still listen to Ska or not or have moved on to
something else, but they did know Johnny Cash. And the Doors. They
took most of my albums of both in time for me to replace them with
CDs...

Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...

Quoted message said:

amit said:

Mad Dog said:

What's sad is when a
jerk like you defends a guy that spews without knowing the facts.

dumbass,

i'm not defending bill.

it's just that you remind me of the insecure bores who'd talk your ear
off at grad student parties.

The kind of people Quentin Tarrantino makes movies for.

ob-r.b.r. Kent Bostick played the cyclist who got shot in Natural Born
Killers.

Wow--cool piece of trivia (no, I never saw the movie),

Steve

--
Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS
http://www.dentaltwins.com
Brooklyn, NY
718-258-5001

amit says...

Quoted message said:

it's just that you remind me of the insecure bores who'd talk your ear
off at grad student parties.

Then you are once again mistaken - I'd never waste my time on you at a party.
You'd never be invited, so it's a moot point.