flax vs fish

The Crow said:

in terms of EFAs, I've seen vegetarian friendly flax based
supplements, and standard cod liver oil tablets. I've also

seen a

Quoted message said:

capsule that offers omegas 3, 6 and 9, all from non-fish

sources.

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I've done a lot of reading around, but mostly in circles. Are
there any major disadvantages, that you know of, from using

flax

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rather than fish, or vice-versa? Thanks.

Cod Liver Oil is a source of vitamin D and A. It's not as
popular as it used to be because to get enough vitamin D you get
too much vitamin A.

You're not supposed to eat fish more than 2-3 times/week because
of mercury content. Flax Oil should be kept in a black jar in
the refrigerator. Flax seed should be ground fresh every time
you want to use it.

Walnuts contain Omega 3s and are easier to eat. Probably the
best and easiest source (after fish) of Omega 3s is fish oil
capsules. I buy Carlson's Labs Norwegian Salmon Oil, 1000mg from
The Vitamin Shoppe.

Most people get enough of omega 6 and 9; 3 is the one that's
low.

locker

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in terms of EFAs, I've seen vegetarian friendly flax based supplements,
and standard cod liver oil tablets. I've also seen a capsule that offers
omegas 3, 6 and 9, all from non-fish sources. I've done a lot of reading
around, but mostly in circles. Are there any major disadvantages, that
you know of, from using flax rather than fish, or vice-versa? Thanks.

It's the EPA and DHA Omega 3 fatty acids that are the good stuff. Flax oil
has a relatively poor conversion rate IIRC, so purified fish oil concentrate
(high in EPA/DHA) is probably going to be the best. There's some evidence
that taking Vit E with FO could be a good idea too.

Bob

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in terms of EFAs, I've seen vegetarian friendly flax based supplements,
and standard cod liver oil tablets. I've also seen a capsule that offers
omegas 3, 6 and 9, all from non-fish sources. I've done a lot of reading
around, but mostly in circles. Are there any major disadvantages, that
you know of, from using flax rather than fish, or vice-versa? Thanks.

It's the EPA and DHA Omega 3 fatty acids that are the good stuff. Flax
oil has a relatively poor conversion rate IIRC, so purified fish oil
concentrate (high in EPA/DHA) is probably going to be the best. There's
some evidence that taking Vit E with FO could be a good idea too.

Bob

Mmmmm. That will teach me to act in haste, and be so poorly educated with
regard to a topic. After thinking about it, and going round in some google
circles with my reading, I plumped for a capsule that is suitable for
veggies, based on flax and pumpkin seed oils, as well as some other things,
and has Omegas 3 - 6 - 9 in a 2 - 1 - 1 ratio. From what Locker and
yourself say, sounds like this was a wrong call, and I probably won't need
the Omega 6 and 9 at all anyway. To compound the error, the capsules were
on 3 for 2, so now I've got six weeks worth.

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Quoted message said:

in terms of EFAs, I've seen vegetarian friendly flax based
supplements, and standard cod liver oil tablets. I've also seen a
capsule that offers omegas 3, 6 and 9, all from non-fish sources.
I've done a lot of reading around, but mostly in circles. Are there
any major disadvantages, that you know of, from using flax rather than
fish, or vice-versa? Thanks.

I take Udo's - I figure Udo has it all figured out for me and it's one
less thing to worry about.

http://www.udoerasmus.com/products/oil_blend.htm

Because I'm a wimp, I take it in capsule form.

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com

The Crow said:

in terms of EFAs, I've seen vegetarian friendly flax based supplements, and
standard cod liver oil tablets. I've also seen a capsule that offers omegas
3, 6 and 9, all from non-fish sources. I've done a lot of reading around,
but mostly in circles. Are there any major disadvantages, that you know of,
from using flax rather than fish, or vice-versa? Thanks.

psst take fish oil with sesame oil sesame oil is rich of
antioxidant sesamin, makes it really good for the heart

Steve Freides said:

The Crow said:

in terms of EFAs, I've seen vegetarian friendly flax based
supplements, and standard cod liver oil tablets. I've also seen a
capsule that offers omegas 3, 6 and 9, all from non-fish sources.
I've done a lot of reading around, but mostly in circles. Are
there any major disadvantages, that you know of, from using flax
rather than fish, or vice-versa? Thanks.

I take Udo's - I figure Udo has it all figured out for me and it's
one less thing to worry about.

http://www.udoerasmus.com/products/oil_blend.htm

All of it in the mix is plant-based, but a large proportion of
population have trouble elongating these short chained FAs. There's
something fishy in those no fish oil, plant-only mixes.

On that page he says that the mix contains "omega 3, 6 and 9 varieties
of ESSENTIAL fatty acid sources".

But then just a bit below he says "omega 9 ... are NON-ESSENTIAL
because the body can produce them from sugars and starches".

So which is it? A clear sign of EFA deficiency! It doesn't really seem
that "Udo has it all figured out".

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in terms of EFAs, I've seen vegetarian friendly flax based supplements,
and standard cod liver oil tablets. I've also seen a capsule that offers
omegas 3, 6 and 9, all from non-fish sources. I've done a lot of reading
around, but mostly in circles. Are there any major disadvantages, that
you know of, from using flax rather than fish, or vice-versa? Thanks.

I take Udo's - I figure Udo has it all figured out for me and it's one
less thing to worry about.

http://www.udoerasmus.com/products/oil_blend.htm

Because I'm a wimp, I take it in capsule form.

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com

I went for these, which seem similar.

http://www.vertese.com/vproducts/index.cfm?ccs=73&cs=87

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Steve Freides said:

The Crow said:

in terms of EFAs, I've seen vegetarian friendly flax based
supplements, and standard cod liver oil tablets. I've also seen a
capsule that offers omegas 3, 6 and 9, all from non-fish sources.
I've done a lot of reading around, but mostly in circles. Are
there any major disadvantages, that you know of, from using flax
rather than fish, or vice-versa? Thanks.

I take Udo's - I figure Udo has it all figured out for me and it's
one less thing to worry about.

http://www.udoerasmus.com/products/oil_blend.htm

All of it in the mix is plant-based, but a large proportion of
population have trouble elongating these short chained FAs. There's
something fishy in those no fish oil, plant-only mixes.

On that page he says that the mix contains "omega 3, 6 and 9 varieties
of ESSENTIAL fatty acid sources".

But then just a bit below he says "omega 9 ... are NON-ESSENTIAL
because the body can produce them from sugars and starches".

So which is it? A clear sign of EFA deficiency! It doesn't really seem
that "Udo has it all figured out".

If Udo says I don't need it, I'm content not to have it. I figure he's
done his homework. Feel free to prove him and me wrong, of course. Or
are you just saying his web site is inconsistent, not that his oil is
lacking something?

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com

Steve Freides said:

DZ said:

Steve Freides said:

I take Udo's - I figure Udo has it all figured out for me and it's
one less thing to worry about.

http://www.udoerasmus.com/products/oil_blend.htm

All of it in the mix is plant-based, but a large proportion of
population have trouble elongating these short chained FAs. There's
something fishy in those no fish oil, plant-only mixes.

On that page he says that the mix contains "omega 3, 6 and 9 varieties
of ESSENTIAL fatty acid sources".

But then just a bit below he says "omega 9 ... are NON-ESSENTIAL
because the body can produce them from sugars and starches".

So which is it? A clear sign of EFA deficiency! It doesn't really seem
that "Udo has it all figured out".

If Udo says I don't need it, I'm content not to have it.

I see, he is some kind of Pavel of nutrition :-)

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I figure he's done his homework. Feel free to prove him and me
wrong, of course. Or are you just saying his web site is
inconsistent, not that his oil is lacking something?

What's there to prove? It's old news. Adults cannot effectively make
conversions to EPA/DHA. It is limited, especially to DHA. For example
see this - http://tinyurl.com/4cdrx

But I fully expect someone deficient in EFA to have attention span
short enough to start writing almost adjacent sentences that directly
contradict to each other. :-)

"DZ" <[email hidden]> wrote

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Steve Freides said:

DZ said:

Steve Freides <[email hidden]> wrote:
> I take Udo's - I figure Udo has it all figured out for me and it's
> one less thing to worry about.
>
> http://www.udoerasmus.com/products/oil_blend.htm

All of it in the mix is plant-based, but a large proportion of
population have trouble elongating these short chained FAs. There's
something fishy in those no fish oil, plant-only mixes.

On that page he says that the mix contains "omega 3, 6 and 9 varieties
of ESSENTIAL fatty acid sources".

But then just a bit below he says "omega 9 ... are NON-ESSENTIAL
because the body can produce them from sugars and starches".

So which is it? A clear sign of EFA deficiency! It doesn't really seem
that "Udo has it all figured out".

If Udo says I don't need it, I'm content not to have it.

I see, he is some kind of Pavel of nutrition :-)

Quoted message said:

I figure he's done his homework. Feel free to prove him and me
wrong, of course. Or are you just saying his web site is
inconsistent, not that his oil is lacking something?

What's there to prove? It's old news. Adults cannot effectively make
conversions to EPA/DHA. It is limited, especially to DHA. For example
see this - http://tinyurl.com/4cdrx

But I fully expect someone deficient in EFA to have attention span
short enough to start writing almost adjacent sentences that directly
contradict to each other. :-)

I supplement fish, flax, borage, and coconut oils. I'd better not be missing
anything!

David

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David Cohen said:

I supplement fish, flax, borage, and coconut oils. I'd better not be missing
anything!

David

Grapeseed and Olive oil......

;-)

HTH?
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

"OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

David Cohen said:

Quoted message said:

I supplement fish, flax, borage, and coconut oils. I'd better not be
missing

anything!

Grapeseed and Olive oil......

Grapeseed provides antioxidant/phytonutrients, not an essential fatty acid.
Olive oil provides nothing essential that isn't better provided by fish,
flax, and a GLA source like borage.

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;-)

HTH?

Nope.

How'd the concealed weapons class go? You gonna' get your permit? How many
guns are you allowed to carry in your jurisdiction? What are you gonna'
carry? What kind of holster? What ammo? ANSWERS, MAN!!

David

locker said:

The Crow said:

in terms of EFAs, I've seen vegetarian friendly flax based
supplements, and standard cod liver oil tablets. I've also

seen a

Quoted message said:

capsule that offers omegas 3, 6 and 9, all from non-fish

sources.

Quoted message said:

I've done a lot of reading around, but mostly in circles. Are
there any major disadvantages, that you know of, from using

flax

Quoted message said:

rather than fish, or vice-versa? Thanks.

Cod Liver Oil is a source of vitamin D and A. It's not as
popular as it used to be because to get enough vitamin D you get
too much vitamin A.

You're not supposed to eat fish more than 2-3 times/week because
of mercury content. Flax Oil should be kept in a black jar in
the refrigerator. Flax seed should be ground fresh every time
you want to use it.

Walnuts contain Omega 3s and are easier to eat. Probably the
best and easiest source (after fish) of Omega 3s is fish oil
capsules. I buy Carlson's Labs Norwegian Salmon Oil, 1000mg from
The Vitamin Shoppe.

Most people get enough of omega 6 and 9; 3 is the one that's
low.

locker

re: mercury content..

I've heard that some fish are less loaded with mercury than others..
is this a fallacy?

My father-in-law was up here last week, and he's an avid freshwater
fisherman. He told me that mercury falls in rainwater, and would
therefore be present in all fish, where I've heard that it's a result
of chemical dumping.

I love fish, and would eat it everyday if the rest of my family didn't
hate it. This is something very important to me..

BLink

David Cohen said:

"OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

David Cohen said:

I supplement fish, flax, borage, and coconut oils. I'd better not
be missing anything!

Grapeseed and Olive oil......

Grapeseed provides antioxidant/phytonutrients, not an essential
fatty acid. Olive oil provides nothing essential that isn't better
provided by fish, flax, and a GLA source like borage.

Grapeseed oil is rich in w-6. Maybe Om has severe w-6 deficiency like
an Asian coast guard we once met. He seemed coconut-oil-diet kind of
slow, you know, that islander kind whose brain cells are filled up
with mead acid. Also bored with all the patrolling of our ship. So he
asked for food and cigarettes. We really took offence ("What, no
vodka?"😉 but gave him among other things a half liter bottle of
sunflower oil. He drank the whole bottle right there. I was
impressed. Our usual coastal acquaintances were expecting to be
greeted with vodka, even on fish factory islands like Shikotan
(http://artedi.fish.washington.edu/okhotskia/ikip/Results/dbmaps/map/southgrp.htm)
which are predominantly female - and we know that gentle flowers don't
like strong liquors.

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Steve Freides said:

DZ said:

Steve Freides <[email hidden]> wrote:
> I take Udo's - I figure Udo has it all figured out for me and it's
> one less thing to worry about.
>
> http://www.udoerasmus.com/products/oil_blend.htm

All of it in the mix is plant-based, but a large proportion of
population have trouble elongating these short chained FAs. There's
something fishy in those no fish oil, plant-only mixes.

On that page he says that the mix contains "omega 3, 6 and 9
varieties
of ESSENTIAL fatty acid sources".

But then just a bit below he says "omega 9 ... are NON-ESSENTIAL
because the body can produce them from sugars and starches".

So which is it? A clear sign of EFA deficiency! It doesn't really
seem
that "Udo has it all figured out".

If Udo says I don't need it, I'm content not to have it.

I see, he is some kind of Pavel of nutrition :-)

Quoted message said:

I figure he's done his homework. Feel free to prove him and me
wrong, of course. Or are you just saying his web site is
inconsistent, not that his oil is lacking something?

What's there to prove? It's old news. Adults cannot effectively make
conversions to EPA/DHA. It is limited, especially to DHA. For example
see this - http://tinyurl.com/4cdrx

But I fully expect someone deficient in EFA to have attention span
short enough to start writing almost adjacent sentences that directly
contradict to each other. :-)

Huh? What were we talking about?

🙂

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com