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  1. Level 1 cycle training is basic control skills - playground based.
    Level 2 cycle training is on-road training - residential roads and
    minor junctions.
    Level 3 cycle training is road awareness - busier roads, roundabouts
    and traffic light junctions (I include night time cycling in the
    course I have devised).

    I ran my first Level 3 cycle training session today. The focus was
    roundabouts.

    I selected two mini roundabouts and one slightly larger roundabout,
    for left turns, going ahead and right turns. For those who know SE
    London the roundabouts locations can be found by going to
    www.multimap.com and putting in these grid references:

    Left Turn - TQ39327625
    Straight On - TQ40487662
    Right Turn - TQ40137647

    I had 8 trainees (ages 10/11) and a co-instructor, giving a 1:4
    instructor:trainee ratio. The lesson was between 3 and 5pm so the
    light faded while we were out. The weather was light to moderate rain
    showers. The trainees all wore Hi-Vis tabards and had front and rear
    lights - some front lights, I felt, did not provide sufficient
    visibility - cheap amber ones provided by TfL.

    At the left turn drill the trainees cycled in a small triangle, each
    leg about 100m. Similarly, at the right drill they cycled in a small
    triangle - perhaps 75m, 50m, 75m. At the going ahead drill the
    trainees went up and down the road, doing U-turns at about 100m from
    the roundabout.

    The first drill was fine. Traffic was piled up at the roundabout and
    the trainees waited in the primary riding position to turn left.

    At the second drill site traffic flowed freely, and began to feel that
    the trainees never really understood priority at roundabouts,
    explained as: anyone already on the roundabout has priority, and you
    must give way to traffic from the right - but watch out for traffic on
    the left not giving you right of way when they should.

    At the third drill site I started to have some serious concerns. The
    trainees were signalling either too early or too late. They paid to
    little attention to traffic from the right - resulting in one heart
    stopping moment for me, although it could hardly be called a near miss
    as white van man was never closer than about 15 feet to the trainee
    when he stopped on the roundabout!

    Was it the fading light and poor weather conditions that made the
    drills progressively less successful? Was it the increasing technical
    difficulty of the manoeuvre? Was it my complete lack of experience
    instructing at Level 3? Were the drill sites chosen inappropriate?

    On the latter point, I cannot think of three better drill sites for a
    first experience of tackling roundabouts unescorted on a bicycle.

    Any pointers from other National Standard instructors, or experienced
    cyclists would be helpful. I'm repeating the lesson with another
    group tomorrow - 1.15 - 3.20pm - so at least it will all be in
    daylight.

  2. On Wed, 02 Nov 2005 21:35:00 +0000, Bertie Wiggins
    <cycling_remove_bertie@yahoo_dot_co_dot_uk> said in
    <[email hidden]>:

    Quoted message said:

    Any pointers from other National Standard instructors, or experienced
    cyclists would be helpful. I'm repeating the lesson with another
    group tomorrow - 1.15 - 3.20pm - so at least it will all be in
    daylight.

    It's bloody difficult, roundabouts are always a nightmare, especially
    mini roundabouts (which some drivers seem to interpret as being their
    right of way whatever they want to do).

    Essentially the entrance to a roundabout is a left turn onto a busy
    road, isn't it? I wish I could help; I hate to think it can't be
    taught.

    Here is where I learned about roundabouts: http://tinyurl.com/ckfx2

    Admittedly the learning process was not entirely painless...

    Guy
    --
    http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk

    "To every complex problem there is a solution which is
    simple, neat and wrong" - HL Mencken

  3. Response to Just zis Guy, you know?:

    Quoted message said:

    Here is where I learned about roundabouts: http://tinyurl.com/ckfx2

    My mum always hated that roundabout, even though she used to negotiate it
    by means of a Rover 80 rather than a bike. Once, doing the school rota
    in thick fog, she managed to drive a carful of children onto the M10
    instead of Watling Street: when she belatedly realised, rather than take
    us as far as the M1 she drove straight over the central reservation and
    back down to the roundabout... <shudder>

    --
    Mark, UK

    "Without the aid of prejudice and custom, I should not be able to find my
    way across the room."

  4. "Just zis Guy, you know?" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    On Wed, 02 Nov 2005 21:35:00 +0000, Bertie Wiggins
    <cycling_remove_bertie@yahoo_dot_co_dot_uk> said in
    <[email hidden]>:

    Quoted message said:

    Any pointers from other National Standard instructors, or experienced
    cyclists would be helpful. I'm repeating the lesson with another
    group tomorrow - 1.15 - 3.20pm - so at least it will all be in
    daylight.

    It's bloody difficult, roundabouts are always a nightmare, especially
    mini roundabouts (which some drivers seem to interpret as being their
    right of way whatever they want to do).

    Essentially the entrance to a roundabout is a left turn onto a busy
    road, isn't it? I wish I could help; I hate to think it can't be
    taught.

    Here is where I learned about roundabouts: http://tinyurl.com/ckfx2

    Admittedly the learning process was not entirely painless...

    Guy
    --
    http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk

    "To every complex problem there is a solution which is
    simple, neat and wrong" - HL Mencken

    I agree with Guy - in my experience with children and adult newcomers
    roundabouts are very
    difficult - I think it has something to do with the relative exposure and,
    it seems, vehicles whizzing
    about from all directions... It's also one few explicit times, for a
    beginner, when they explicitly have
    to dominate the road and assert their rights...

    Graham

  5. Bertie Wiggins said:

    At the second drill site traffic flowed freely, and began to feel that
    the trainees never really understood priority at roundabouts,
    explained as: anyone already on the roundabout has priority, and you
    must give way to traffic from the right - but watch out for traffic on
    the left not giving you right of way when they should.

    Chalk out a roundabout on a playgorund and have the people simulate traffic
    by walking around on it - that way, they can try out the manuevres and have
    collisions when they get it wrong, without getting hurt.

    --
    Wally
    www.artbywally.com
    www.wally.myby.co.uk

  6. Bertie Wiggins said:


    Level 1 cycle training is basic control skills - playground based.
    Level 2 cycle training is on-road training - residential roads and
    minor junctions.
    Level 3 cycle training is road awareness - busier roads, roundabouts
    and traffic light junctions (I include night time cycling in the
    course I have devised).

    I ran my first Level 3 cycle training session today. The focus was
    roundabouts.

    <snip>

    Quoted message said:

    Was it the fading light and poor weather conditions that made the
    drills progressively less successful? Was it the increasing technical
    difficulty of the manoeuvre? Was it my complete lack of experience
    instructing at Level 3? Were the drill sites chosen inappropriate?<snip>

    Any pointers from other National Standard instructors, or experienced
    cyclists would be helpful. I'm repeating the lesson with another
    group tomorrow - 1.15 - 3.20pm - so at least it will all be in
    daylight.

    IMO Level 3 is too high for the average 10/11 year old.
    To undertake Level 3 training, we think the rider should have already
    spent some time undertaking regular journeys in low-average traffic
    conditions, perhaps a route from home to local school or shops, over a
    period of around 6 months.
    We tend to restrict level 3 for early teens and adults - and to riders
    with a more mature outlook towards road riding.
    At the end of Level 3 we consider a rider should be pretty well
    conversant with all the theories of correct road positioning and should
    be able to undertake almost any road journey - including the busiest
    times on major roads. Ideally, they should have read and understood
    Franklin's 'CycleCraft'.
    Level 3 = totally (well, almost) competent cyclist in all conditions.

    Occasionally we will come across a very competent young level 2 rider
    who we we introduce to the higher skills, but it is rare, and more often
    or not, is carried out in 1-2-1.

    Most of our Level 3 is for adults.

    But I take my hat off to you for taking the task on.

    as you are already committed to the training i would probably
    concentrate on building theitr confidence in traffic. Firstly i would
    stand by the roundabout and discuss what was going on - watching traffic
    flow, positioning, and so on. Then ride with them one-by-one through the
    roundabout, making sure you can get into a traffic-controlling position.
    Talking them through the requirements.
    Don't forget to ask them what they thought afterwards.

    John B
    http://www.hampshirecycletraining.org.uk/

  7. Just zis Guy said:


    Essentially the entrance to a roundabout is a left turn onto a busy
    road, isn't it?

    That's pretty well what we teach. An important point is that the rider
    *must* be able to start off *quickly* so its essential to understand the
    need for correct timing, and to be into the 'Get-Set' [1] position
    before setting off.

    [1] pedals at 2 o'clock, low-gear engaged, and foot ready to push down.

    John B
    http://www.hampshirecycletraining.org.uk/

  8. John B said:

    IMO Level 3 is too high for the average 10/11 year old.
    To undertake Level 3 training, we think the rider should have already
    spent some time undertaking regular journeys in low-average traffic
    conditions, perhaps a route from home to local school or shops, over a
    period of around 6 months.
    We tend to restrict level 3 for early teens and adults - and to riders
    with a more mature outlook towards road riding.
    At the end of Level 3 we consider a rider should be pretty well
    conversant with all the theories of correct road positioning and should
    be able to undertake almost any road journey - including the busiest
    times on major roads. Ideally, they should have read and understood
    Franklin's 'CycleCraft'.
    Level 3 = totally (well, almost) competent cyclist in all conditions.

    Occasionally we will come across a very competent young level 2 rider
    who we we introduce to the higher skills, but it is rare, and more often
    or not, is carried out in 1-2-1.

    Most of our Level 3 is for adults.

    But I take my hat off to you for taking the task on.

    I'd far rather their first experiences of roundabouts are with me than
    the sort of experimenting I did as a child. I have 8 hours for Level
    3 training. Is that sufficient? At the moment I'm not sure they'll
    all reach National Standard Level 3, but at least they will have
    experienced controlled junctions in a relatively safe manner.

    Quoted message said:

    as you are already committed to the training i would probably
    concentrate on building theitr confidence in traffic. Firstly i would
    stand by the roundabout and discuss what was going on - watching traffic
    flow, positioning, and so on. Then ride with them one-by-one through the
    roundabout, making sure you can get into a traffic-controlling position.
    Talking them through the requirements.
    Don't forget to ask them what they thought afterwards.

    Good sound advice as always. We always start with a sort of risk
    assessment look at traffic. Tomorrow I'll follow them through the
    roundabout for their first time with the other trainees observing.
    With two instructors it shouldn't take us too long to give 1-1 to all
    eight trainees.

  9. Wally said:
    Quoted message said:

    At the second drill site traffic flowed freely, and began to feel that
    the trainees never really understood priority at roundabouts,
    explained as: anyone already on the roundabout has priority, and you
    must give way to traffic from the right - but watch out for traffic on
    the left not giving you right of way when they should.

    Chalk out a roundabout on a playgorund and have the people simulate traffic
    by walking around on it - that way, they can try out the manuevres and have
    collisions when they get it wrong, without getting hurt.

    I have about £6,000 School Travel Plan money to spend on capital
    projects at school. At a meeting last month we sorted out priorities:

    #1 - a wet weather shelter for parents who collect children by walking
    #2 - addition cycle storage
    #3 - painted road markings for the infant (5-7) playground

    A mini roundabout would be an excellent idea.

  10. Bertie Wiggins said:

    I have about £6,000 School Travel Plan money to spend on capital projects
    at school. At a meeting last month we sorted out priorities:

    #1 - a wet weather shelter for parents who collect children by walking #2
    - addition cycle storage
    #3 - painted road markings for the infant (5-7) playground

    A mini roundabout would be an excellent idea.

    Quoted message said:

    "some front lights, I felt, did not provide sufficient visibility -
    cheap amber ones provided by TfL"

    Legal lights would be a good idea too! So TfL provided illegal ones to
    you, hmmmm?

    Mike

  11. Quoted message said:

    Any pointers from other National Standard instructors, or experienced
    cyclists would be helpful. I'm repeating the lesson with another
    group tomorrow - 1.15 - 3.20pm - so at least it will all be in
    daylight.

    (1) Hold on! A mini-roundabout and a real roundabout are completely
    different animals. The former is a 3-way-tee junction with universal
    give way to the right and always 'one-at-a-time', the latter is a three
    stage (get on, go round, get off) circular one way road with possibly
    more than one lane and closely spaced junctions.

    (2) It's important that the different concepts are understood, not only
    so that the cyclist can do their bit at the appropriate time, but also
    so that they appreciate the behaviour of the other road users.
    (Different speeds for one.)

    (3) Here is an outline of what I'd suggest for mini-roundabout:
    I : Ooo err what's this up ahead?
    P : A mini-roundabout
    I : How many roads meet?
    P : 3
    I : Can we just sail through?
    P : No
    I : Why?
    P : Because we have to give way
    (recap road markings)
    I : Give way to what exactly?
    P : err....
    (Explain
    NB it's not only traffic already on the junction
    Watch/discuss the way motor traffic obeys the rules
    )
    I would do 'straight across' practices before L and R turns.

    (4) Here's an outline of what I'd suggest for a proper roundabout.
    I : We've done left turns onto and off main roads, we've done getting
    into the appropriate lane at traffic lights and we've done changing
    lanes for other reasons. Now we're going to do the Mt.Everest of
    cycling a multi-lane roundabout. Actually it's not really as bad as all
    that but you have to be on your toes, in the right gear, in the right
    position and all the sorts of thing that we've been doing over the
    previous sessions.

    Then:
    Explain three stages : on/round/off
    Discuss give way, speed of traffic
    Get pupil to use their existing knowledge to plan how to negotiate the
    three stages.
    1-2-1 with I on RH/rear and 'in the driving seat' do a straight across.
    (NB not a 1st left as this might encourage hugging the edge. NB Speed
    and acceleration are important - second nature to I but not so P.)
    *Repeat* until P is happy (and capable!) doing it on their own.
    I needs to think carefully about their road position and do all the hard
    work of signalling and blocking as required - a tricky task watching P
    while double checking on the traffic trying to overtake on the left.

    (5) Don't forget you can do 360 degrees round a real roundabout when
    training to come out the way you went in. There's not much point in
    watching the way motor traffic 'obeys the rules' apart from they give
    way to traffic already on the roundabout because there is so much going
    on at once and it is more important for pupils to be sure of what _they_
    should be doing by practice. (Unlike mini-roundabout where intention and
    action are easy to interpret and serve as a simple to understand model.)

    --
    PETER FOX Not the same since the submarine business went under
    [email hidden]
    2 Tees Close, Witham, Essex.
    Gravity beer in Essex <http://www.eminent.demon.co.uk>

  12. Mike Causer said:

    Legal lights would be a good idea too! So TfL provided illegal ones to
    you, hmmmm?

    If the stated purpose of the bikes was school-based training,
    an assumption of daylight might be not entirely unreasonable?
    At least in the absence of a suggestion that training happens
    outside school hours ...

    --
    not me guv

  13. Nick Kew said:
    Mike Causer said:

    Legal lights would be a good idea too! So TfL provided illegal ones to
    you, hmmmm?

    If the stated purpose of the bikes was school-based training, an
    assumption of daylight might be not entirely unreasonable? At least in the
    absence of a suggestion that training happens outside school hours ...

    Bertie did once mention loaning a bike to a pupil for the weekend, and
    presumably riding at night is part of the syllabus eventually. There is
    also the message it gives to the children, that it's permitted to use such
    devices instead of proper front lights.

    Mike

  14. Nick Kew said:
    Mike Causer said:

    Legal lights would be a good idea too! So TfL provided illegal ones to
    you, hmmmm?

    If the stated purpose of the bikes was school-based training,
    an assumption of daylight might be not entirely unreasonable?
    At least in the absence of a suggestion that training happens
    outside school hours ...

    Not necessarily, but hten again he is in London, not Shetland.

    ...d

    Quoted message said:


    --
    not me guv

  15. Nick Kew said:
    Mike Causer said:

    Legal lights would be a good idea too! So TfL provided illegal ones to
    you, hmmmm?

    If the stated purpose of the bikes was school-based training,
    an assumption of daylight might be not entirely unreasonable?
    At least in the absence of a suggestion that training happens
    outside school hours ...

    The stated purpose of the bikes was for cycle training and for loan to
    pupils to practice at home so that cycle training could be as
    *inclusive* as possible. Children from low income families would have
    equal access to cycle training. In the bid for a grant is was stated
    that cycling requiring the use of lights would be part of the
    training.

    I was awarded £1,860 for 8 bicycles, 8 locks, 8 light sets and 8
    helmets. Transport for London are purchasing the bikes, lights and
    helmets centrally from Raleigh. I have bought 9 locks from Makros
    (£7.99 for a family set of 3). TfL have also paid for 8 small tools
    kits, 8 puncture repair kits and a first aid kit.

    I sent an email to TfL last night expaining the difficulties of amber
    bicycle lights under sodium street lighting. They have agreed,
    provided money is remaining, to my purchasing 6 front lights for £100
    - it is not necessary to mount lights on the 16" wheel bikes as they
    won't be used at night - probably not on the road either.

    After discussing the light issue with a co-instructor we have decided
    to purchase 4 front lights and 4 rear lights - he felt that the rear
    lights supplied by TfL were not powerful enough either.

    These are the lights supplied by TfL:-

    http://www.raleighbikes.com/bits/poppart.asp?id=139533

    These are the lights I am buying - note that there were many
    considerations - ease of fitting to children's own bikes when the
    lights they have are sub-standard, length of battery life, brightness
    of bulb, side beam. Lighting the road ahead was not considered
    important for street lit cycling - although I do hope to take the
    groups on an unlit cycle path at some stage so they can experience
    what it's like.

    Front: Cateye HL-EL120 Sport Opticube
    http://tinyurl.com/aade2
    http://www.wiggle.co.uk/images/cateye%20hlel120%20sport%20opticube.jpg

    Rear: Topeak Redlight
    http://tinyurl.com/8nh6r
    http://www.wiggle.co.uk/images/topeak%20redlight.jpg

  16. you know? said:
    Quoted message said:

    Any pointers from other National Standard instructors, or experienced
    cyclists would be helpful. I'm repeating the lesson with another
    group tomorrow - 1.15 - 3.20pm - so at least it will all be in
    daylight.

    It's bloody difficult, roundabouts are always a nightmare, especially
    mini roundabouts (which some drivers seem to interpret as being their
    right of way whatever they want to do).

    Everything went much better today.

    I started off in the playground, as suggested by Wally, with the
    trainees signalling and waking around a pretend roundabout.

    On the road my co instructor and I followed the trainees through the
    drill one at a time, as suggested by John, the other trainees observed
    and gave feedback.

    At the final roundabout - a right turn - some trainees still didn't
    get the hang of signalling right and turning left onto the circular
    road!

    I will cover roundabouts again, with both groups, after traffic light
    junctions - that lesson starts at 3.30 and finishes at 5.30, so we'll
    be in the dark most of the time.

  17. In article said:


    I started off in the playground, as suggested by Wally, with the
    trainees signalling and waking around a pretend roundabout.

    Good idea. Roundabouts are tricky enough without sleeping :-)

  18. "Peter Fox" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    message news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Any pointers from other National Standard instructors, or experienced
    cyclists would be helpful. I'm repeating the lesson with another
    group tomorrow - 1.15 - 3.20pm - so at least it will all be in
    daylight.

    (1) Hold on! A mini-roundabout and a real roundabout are completely
    different animals. The former is a 3-way-tee junction with universal give
    way to the right and always 'one-at-a-time', the latter is a three stage
    (get on, go round, get off) circular one way road with possibly more than
    one lane and closely spaced junctions.

    (2) It's important that the different concepts are understood, not only so
    that the cyclist can do their bit at the appropriate time, but also so
    that they appreciate the behaviour of the other road users. (Different
    speeds for one.)

    (3) Here is an outline of what I'd suggest for mini-roundabout:
    I : Ooo err what's this up ahead?
    P : A mini-roundabout
    I : How many roads meet?
    P : 3
    I : Can we just sail through?
    P : No
    I : Why?
    P : Because we have to give way
    (recap road markings)
    I : Give way to what exactly?
    P : err....
    (Explain
    NB it's not only traffic already on the junction
    Watch/discuss the way motor traffic obeys the rules
    )
    I would do 'straight across' practices before L and R turns.

    (4) Here's an outline of what I'd suggest for a proper roundabout.
    I : We've done left turns onto and off main roads, we've done getting into
    the appropriate lane at traffic lights and we've done changing lanes for
    other reasons. Now we're going to do the Mt.Everest of cycling a
    multi-lane roundabout. Actually it's not really as bad as all that but
    you have to be on your toes, in the right gear, in the right position and
    all the sorts of thing that we've been doing over the previous sessions.

    Then:
    Explain three stages : on/round/off
    Discuss give way, speed of traffic
    Get pupil to use their existing knowledge to plan how to negotiate the
    three stages.
    1-2-1 with I on RH/rear and 'in the driving seat' do a straight across.
    (NB not a 1st left as this might encourage hugging the edge. NB Speed and
    acceleration are important - second nature to I but not so P.)
    *Repeat* until P is happy (and capable!) doing it on their own.
    I needs to think carefully about their road position and do all the hard
    work of signalling and blocking as required - a tricky task watching P
    while double checking on the traffic trying to overtake on the left.

    (5) Don't forget you can do 360 degrees round a real roundabout when
    training to come out the way you went in. There's not much point in
    watching the way motor traffic 'obeys the rules' apart from they give way
    to traffic already on the roundabout because there is so much going on at
    once and it is more important for pupils to be sure of what _they_ should
    be doing by practice. (Unlike mini-roundabout where intention and action
    are easy to interpret and serve as a simple to understand model.)

    Quoted message said:

    Peter

    Quoted message said:

    I enjoyed your lesson in tackling roundabouts, as on my daily commute I
    have to cross the busy A66 dual carraigeway via a roundabout, two lanes
    going in one lane coming out and I have tried all possible positions on
    the road and have been cut off, overtaken and undertaken, been shouted at
    and beeped at. (Not all at the same time). Is this what others have
    experienced on roundabouts. Maybe I should give in and use the pedestrian
    subway through in to the ASDA car park and up the pavement like some of
    the more sain mortals who work nearby.

    Said Roundabout
    http://www.streetmap.co.uk/newmap.srf?x=453382&y=520942&z=1&sv=453250,520750&st=4&ar=Y&mapp=newmap.srf&searchp=newsearch.srf

    Any advice, words of support or constructive critism apprciated.

    Cliff

  19. Bertie Wiggins said:

    These are the lights supplied by TfL:-

    http://www.raleighbikes.com/bits/poppart.asp?id=139533


    One might get the impression from the page that these are front and
    rear position lamps, which they are quite blatently not. Should
    lighting sales be required to include a statement of compliance with
    the appropriate act?

    Quoted message said:

    These are the lights I am buying - note that there were many
    considerations - ease of fitting to children's own bikes when the
    lights they have are sub-standard, length of battery life, brightness
    of bulb, side beam. Lighting the road ahead was not considered
    important for street lit cycling - although I do hope to take the
    groups on an unlit cycle path at some stage so they can experience
    what it's like.

    Seems like a good choice.

    ...d

  20. Following on from Cliff's message. . .

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I enjoyed your lesson in tackling roundabouts, as on my daily commute I
    have to cross the busy A66 dual carraigeway via a roundabout, two lanes
    going in one lane coming out and I have tried all possible positions on
    the road and have been cut off, overtaken and undertaken, been shouted at
    and beeped at. (Not all at the same time). Is this what others have
    experienced on roundabouts. Maybe I should give in and use the pedestrian
    subway through in to the ASDA car park and up the pavement like some of
    the more sain mortals who work nearby.

    Said Roundabout
    http://www.streetmap.co.uk/newmap.srf?x=453382&y=520942&z=1&sv=453250,
    520750&st=4&ar=Y&mapp=newmap.srf&searchp=newsearch.srf

    Any advice, words of support or constructive critism apprciated.

    If you are 'in the way' then you are probably in the right position on
    the road. So stick at it.

    There are a number of good reasons for going fast. Good acceleration at
    the start.

    One technique for experienced cyclists only is to judge the individual
    vehicles waiting to enter as you are going round. (These may be the ones
    behind you in a moment.) You can predict 'trouble' and that makes it
    easier to deal with aggressive drivers. A honk or a shout is a 'win'.

    If you think there is something particularly unfriendly about the layout
    then ask the local authority to meet you there one day.

    --
    PETER FOX Not the same since the submarine business went under
    [email hidden]
    www.eminent.demon.co.uk - Lots for cyclists

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