5th Element Air

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Just follow the instructions that came with it, you can figure it out

easier

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that way.

- CA-G 5th Element science degree...

Perhaps the poor fellow cannot make any sense of the instructions, or perhaps the instructions do
not clearly delineate this issue. Since the 5th Element shock is the most adjustable and probably
the most confusing shock on the market, I say we give him a little help here. Is that too much to
ask, Carla?

The fellow gave a properly written question, so he deserves a properly written response. I
don't know the first thing about 5th Element shocks, but somebody here is bound to have an
answer. Slacker?

-John Morgan

John Morgan said:

Quoted message said:

Just follow the instructions that came with it, you can figure it out

easier

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that way.

- CA-G 5th Element science degree...

Perhaps the poor fellow cannot make any sense of the instructions, or perhaps the instructions do
not clearly delineate this issue. Since the 5th Element shock is the most adjustable and probably
the most confusing shock on the market, I say we give him a little help here. Is that too much to
ask, Carla?

I guess I missed the hall monitor elections.

Who did you have to go down on to win?

The instrustions are straight forward and do indeed answer his questions.

Build a man a fire and he is warm for the day, set a man on fire and he's warm for the rest
of his life.

Or something like that.

p.s.http://www.progressivesuspension.com/pdf/5th%20Air%20Setup%20Guide.pdf

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Perhaps the poor fellow cannot make any sense of the instructions, or perhaps the instructions do
not clearly delineate this issue. Since the

5th

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Element shock is the most adjustable and probably the most confusing shock on the market, I say we
give him a little help here. Is that too much to ask, Carla? The fellow gave a properly written
question, so he deserves a properly written response. I don't know the first thing about 5th
Element shocks, but somebody here is bound to have an answer. Slacker?

-John Morgan

John, if you aren't aware of it, I do have experience with the 5th Element rear shock and setting
one up. It is not the easiest shock in the world to set up, I'll admit that. On the other hand, the
manual that comes with the shock is very easy to understand and it is simplified. There a lot of
steps involved in setting up the shock to the way you like it, but if you take the time and follow
the instructions provided, the job is much easier. You can even download the manual on Progressive's
site. Since you really have no experience with the shock, you don't seem to understand that you
can't just type out an answer and let the guy figure it out from there. If he is so inclined and
can't figure it out himself even by following the instructions step-by-step, I am sure there is a
bike shop around him that can help.

- CA-G

Can-Am Girls Kick Ass!

From what I can figure out, tuning the IFP chamber has a similar effect to tuning the low speed compression dampening adjustment on a Fox Forx RLC. The manual doesn't go very in depth about the relationship between the two chambers, nor how they relate to rebound dampening.

Could someone please provide some constructive comments rather than telling me to re-read the manual?

Thanks.

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Originally posted by Carla A-G
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Perhaps the poor fellow cannot make any sense of the instructions, or perhaps the instructions do
not clearly delineate this issue. Since the

5th

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Element shock is the most adjustable and probably the most confusing shock on the market, I say we
give him a little help here. Is that too much to ask, Carla? The fellow gave a properly written
question, so he deserves a properly written response. I don't know the first thing about 5th
Element shocks, but somebody here is bound to have an answer. Slacker?

-John Morgan

John, if you aren't aware of it, I do have experience with the 5th Element rear shock and setting
one up. It is not the easiest shock in the world to set up, I'll admit that. On the other hand, the
manual that comes with the shock is very easy to understand and it is simplified. There a lot of
steps involved in setting up the shock to the way you like it, but if you take the time and follow
the instructions provided, the job is much easier. You can even download the manual on Progressive's
site. Since you really have no experience with the shock, you don't seem to understand that you
can't just type out an answer and let the guy figure it out from there. If he is so inclined and
can't figure it out himself even by following the instructions step-by-step, I am sure there is a
bike shop around him that can help.

- CA-G

Can-Am Girls Kick Ass!

Paulus said:

From what I can figure out, tuning the IFP chamber has a similar

effect

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to tuning the low speed compression dampening adjustment on a Fox

Forx

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RLC. The manual doesn't go very in depth about the relationship

between

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the two chambers, nor how they relate to rebound dampening.

"1. Internal Floating Piston (IFP)Air Pressure Settings - The shockdepends on air pressure
tofunction properly. Use of theshock with improper IFP airpressure will cause damage &failure of the
shock that is notcovered by the warranty. The IFPair pressure settings control theposition sensitive
damping feature of the shock. IFP air pressure adjustments vary thestarting compression force that
affects the pedaling platform & high-speed blow-off.The IFP air pressure range is 50-125psi. Never
use a pressure outside this pressurerange. You can refer to the online Quick Start guide at:
www.progressivesuspension.com/literature.html for accurate pressure ranges matched to your bike
model and body weight.The IFP air pressure also affects sag, so you should set the IFP air pressure
beforesetting the main spring pressure. The IFP pressure settings will vary according to
riderweight, main spring pressure, your bike’s leverage ratio & your personal preferences.Lower
pressures will provide a softer ride & lower blow-off threshold for sharp, high-speed bumps. Higher
pressures will provide a firmer ride control, firmer pedaling &higher blow-off threshold for sharp,
high-speed bumps.

3. Main Air Spring PressureAdjustments – Air Springadjustments are made byinflating or deflating the
main airspring chamber. Since your IFP air pressure adjustment (outlined above) also affectsyour
starting spring force, you should always adjust your IFP pressure before adjustingthe main air
spring pressure. You can refer to the online Quick Start guide
at:www.progressivesuspension.com/literature.html for accurate main air spring pressure23

4. Rebound Damping Adjustment - The rebound damping controls the return rate ofthe shock & rear
wheel after it has compressed to absorb the bump. The reboundadjustment will vary for different
air spring pressures, rider weights, leverage ratios,type of riding and individual rider
preferences. As a general rule, adjustments thatare too fast (counterclockwise adjustment) will
produce a springy ride with excessivekick-up of the rear end during aggressive riding or racing.
Adjustments that are tooslow (clockwise adjustment) will cause packing of the rear wheel that is
identified bya low ride height & stiff ride feeling when the rear wheel can’t return fast enough
toabsorb the next bump. An average starting adjustment will achieve a return movementof the shock
somewhere between a “snap-back” and”“sluggish” motion. You canrefer to the quick start guide for
an average starting setting for your bike model,spring rate and rider weight. The rebound
adjuster is a red knob found on the eyeletcap of the main air chamber. All models are fitted with
a knurled knob for easy no-tool adjustment.When reaching the minimum &maximum stops of the
adjusterrange, do not apply excessiveforce to continue turning theadjuster, or damage to
theadjuster will occur that is notcovered by the warranty."

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Could someone please provide some constructive comments rather than telling me to re-read
the manual?

straight-forward stuff.

Paulus says:

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From what I can figure out, tuning the IFP chamber has a similar effect to tuning the low speed
compression dampening adjustment on a Fox Forx RLC.

Ya lost me there, but read on......

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Could someone please provide some constructive comments rather than telling me to re-read
the manual?

I believe that if you ask your LBS, they will have someone that knows. It may well be that no-one on
this group is confident enough to answer your question, or it may be that they feel there are better
ways to go than trying to explain in text-mode.

The LBS may charge for it's services, but that is life.

Steve

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Quoted message said:

Just follow the instructions that came with it, you can figure it out

easier

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that way.

- CA-G 5th Element science degree...

Perhaps the poor fellow cannot make any sense of the instructions, or perhaps the instructions do
not clearly delineate this issue. Since the 5th Element shock is the most adjustable and probably
the most confusing shock on the market, I say we give him a little help here. Is that too much to
ask, Carla?

If he's so e-tarded that he can't follow simple instructions, he needs to have a lobotomy, or a
reputable LBS adjust it.

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The fellow gave a properly written question, so he deserves a properly written response. I don't
know the first thing about 5th Element shocks, but somebody here is bound to have an answer.
Slacker?

No, he deserves a boot to the head for being a daft buggerer.

JD

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I don't know the first thing about 5th Element shocks, but somebody here is bound to have an
answer. Slacker?

-John Morgan

Sorry, not me. I'm clueless and *anti air shocks, even if they disguise it as a coil.
--
Slacker

I live in eastern Canada and purchased a frame mail order from the US. Not a single shop here
carries the 5th Element Air, let alone knows what one is. Although the manual describes how each
individual adjustment works, it doesn't go into much detail about how one setting may effect
another, if at all.

I posted the question hoping to get an answer from someone who might have had experience with one.
Instead... "e-tarded", "go down on", "Read the

Pete, since you are so familiar with the Progressive website, could you please post the link for the
5th Element Air "Quickstart" Guide mentioned in the manual?

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Paulus said:

From what I can figure out, tuning the IFP chamber has a similar

effect

Quoted message said:

to tuning the low speed compression dampening adjustment on a Fox

Forx

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RLC. The manual doesn't go very in depth about the relationship

between

Quoted message said:

the two chambers, nor how they relate to rebound dampening.

"1. Internal Floating Piston (IFP)Air Pressure Settings - The shockdepends on air pressure
tofunction properly. Use of theshock with improper IFP airpressure will cause damage &failure of
the shock that is notcovered by the warranty. The IFPair pressure settings control theposition
sensitive damping feature of the shock. IFP air pressure adjustments vary thestarting compression
force that affects the pedaling platform & high-speed blow-off.The IFP air pressure range is
50-125psi. Never use a pressure outside this pressurerange. You can refer to the online Quick
Start guide at: www.progressivesuspension.com/literature.html for accurate pressure ranges matched
to your bike model and body weight.The IFP air pressure also affects sag, so you should set the
IFP air pressure beforesetting the main spring pressure. The IFP pressure settings will vary
according to riderweight, main spring pressure, your bike's leverage ratio & your personal
preferences.Lower pressures will provide a softer ride & lower blow-off threshold for sharp,
high-speed bumps. Higher pressures will provide a firmer ride control, firmer pedaling &higher
blow-off threshold for sharp, high-speed bumps.

3. Main Air Spring PressureAdjustments - Air Springadjustments are made byinflating or deflating
the main airspring chamber. Since your IFP air pressure adjustment (outlined above) also
affectsyour starting spring force, you should always adjust your IFP pressure before
adjustingthe main air spring pressure. You can refer to the online Quick Start guide
at:www.progressivesuspension.com/literature.html for accurate main air spring pressure23

5. Rebound Damping Adjustment - The rebound damping controls the return rate ofthe shock & rear
wheel after it has compressed to absorb the bump. The reboundadjustment will vary for different
air spring pressures, rider weights, leverage ratios,type of riding and individual rider
preferences. As a general rule, adjustments thatare too fast (counterclockwise adjustment) will
produce a springy ride with excessivekick-up of the rear end during aggressive riding or
racing. Adjustments that are tooslow (clockwise adjustment) will cause packing of the rear
wheel that is identified bya low ride height & stiff ride feeling when the rear wheel can't
return fast enough toabsorb the next bump. An average starting adjustment will achieve a return
movementof the shock somewhere between a "snap-back" and""sluggish" motion. You canrefer to the
quick start guide for an average starting setting for your bike model,spring rate and rider
weight. The rebound adjuster is a red knob found on the eyeletcap of the main air chamber. All
models are fitted with a knurled knob for easy no-tool adjustment.When reaching the minimum
&maximum stops of the adjusterrange, do not apply excessiveforce to continue turning
theadjuster, or damage to theadjuster will occur that is notcovered by the warranty."

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Could someone please provide some constructive comments rather than telling me to re-read the
manual?

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straight-forward stuff.

Paulus said:

I live in eastern Canada and purchased a frame mail order from the

US. Not a

Quoted message said:

single shop here carries the 5th Element Air, let alone knows what

one is.

Quoted message said:

Although the manual describes how each individual adjustment works,

it

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doesn't go into much detail about how one setting may effect another,

if at

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all.

I posted the question hoping to get an answer from someone who might

have

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had experience with one. Instead... "e-tarded", "go down on", "Read

the

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Pete, since you are so familiar with the Progressive website, could

you

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please post the link for the 5th Element Air "Quickstart" Guide

mentioned in

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the manual?

Is Google now banned in Canuckland?

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progressivesuspension.com5th%20Air%20Setup%20Guide.pdfOpen ↗

progressivesuspension.comliterature.htmlOpen ↗

p.s. I'm not familiar with 5Th element shocks nor their website but I seem to be able to use basic
internet search engines and comprehend the relevant links.

I believe inexperience is the key here. I've never worked on shocks and I DID read the manual and I
can understand how it can be confusing to someone like me. Take it to an LBS, or play around with it
and in due time you'll have it set up!

--
- Zilla Cary, NC (Remove XSPAM)

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Paulus said:

I live in eastern Canada and purchased a frame mail order from the

US. Not a

Quoted message said:

single shop here carries the 5th Element Air, let alone knows what

one is.

Quoted message said:

Although the manual describes how each individual adjustment works,

it

Quoted message said:

doesn't go into much detail about how one setting may effect another,

if at

Quoted message said:

all.

I posted the question hoping to get an answer from someone who might

have

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had experience with one. Instead... "e-tarded", "go down on", "Read

the

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Pete, since you are so familiar with the Progressive website, could

you

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please post the link for the 5th Element Air "Quickstart" Guide

mentioned in

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the manual?

Is Google now banned in Canuckland?

google.comsearchOpen ↗
t+manual&spell=1

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google.comsearchOpen ↗

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progressivesuspension.com5th%20Air%20Setup%20Guide.pdfOpen ↗

progressivesuspension.comliterature.htmlOpen ↗

p.s. I'm not familiar with 5Th element shocks nor their website but I seem to be able to use basic
internet search engines and comprehend the relevant links.

"P e t e F a g e r l i n" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

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straight-forward stuff.

Thanks Pete, I've been trying to tell him that all along...

- CA-G

Can-Am Girls Kick Ass!

Obviously, you don't.

I asked for the Quickstart guide, not the setup guide/instruction manual. Is literacy so poor south of the border? Read the post before trying to impress people with your copy/paste skills. What are you going to send me next, the link to the quickstart guide for the COIL version? Are you going to insult my mother?

Here's a simple concept:

If you don't know the answer to a question, don't post.

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Originally posted by P E T E F A G E

BOn Tue said:

I live in eastern Canada and purchased a frame mail order from the

US. Not a

Quoted message said:

single shop here carries the 5th Element Air, let alone knows what

one is.

Quoted message said:

Although the manual describes how each individual adjustment works,

it

Quoted message said:

doesn't go into much detail about how one setting may effect another,

if at

Quoted message said:

all.

I posted the question hoping to get an answer from someone who might

have

Quoted message said:

had experience with one. Instead... "e-tarded", "go down on", "Read

the

Quoted message said:

Pete, since you are so familiar with the Progressive website, could

you

Quoted message said:

please post the link for the 5th Element Air "Quickstart" Guide

mentioned in

Quoted message said:

the manual?

Is Google now banned in Canuckland?

google.comsearchOpen ↗
t+manual&spell=1

google.comsearchOpen ↗

progressivesuspension.com5th%20Air%20Setup%20Guide.pdfOpen ↗

progressivesuspension.comliterature.htmlOpen ↗

p.s. I'm not familiar with 5Th element shocks nor their website but I seem to be able to use basic
internet search engines and comprehend the relevant links. [/B]

And for anyone actually looking for more information on the 5th Element Air:

The Main chamber and IFP chamber pretty much work independently of each other. Although the IFP setting has some effect on sag, it has little influence on rebound dampening.

The Main Air is basically your spring rate that depends on your riding weight and riding style, while IFP air pressure adjustments vary the starting compression force that affects the pedaling platform & high-speed blow-off. Basically, this means you can dial-in how sensitive it is in regards to how much you want to reduce initial suspension movement (bob) without effecting the main spring or rebound dampening.

The main chamber is the "spring" in the traditional sense that it has the greatest affect on the sag. The IFP is similar in function to having a compression adjuster on the shock where an increase in IFP pressure is like turning up the low-speed compression damping. THe main purpose of the IFP on this shock is anti-bob, so it has only a slight affect on sag. The drill is to set the IFP first, the use the main chamber to set sag. If you change the IFP, you should re-check sag just in case.

Paulus said:

P E T E F A G E said:

On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 00:09:38 -0400, "Paulus" <[email hidden]>

wrote:

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ivesuspension.com/literature.html

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p.s. I'm not familiar with 5Th element shocks nor their website

but I

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seem to be able to use basic internet search engines and

comprehend

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the relevant links.

Obviously, you don't.

I asked for the Quickstart guide, not the setup guide/instruction manual. Is literacy so poor
south of the border? Read the post before trying to impress people with your copy/paste skills.
What are you

going

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to send me next, the link to the quickstart guide for the COIL

version?

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Are you going to insult my mother?

Hey dipshit, the Quick Start guides that are referenced in the manual are in the link
above(Hyperlinks 7-9 from the bottom of the page). I did read your simpering post. Perhaps you
should read mine next time lest you continue to overwhelm us with irony.

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Here's a simple concept:

If you don't know the answer to a question, don't post.

The answer to your question is in your owner's manual.

The fact that you can't figure it out speaks volumes about your inability to comprehend the
written word.

Maybe you would be better off with a rigid SS? They are much simpler pieces of machinery.

Best of luck!

explain it to you.

If you took the time to look at those links, you would have noticed they are for the 5th Element COIL and NOT the 5th Element AIR.

You might want to give this product a try:

http://www.hop.com

They also have a toll-free number if you have trouble copying and pasting the link.

1-800-532-3607

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Here's a simple concept:

If you don't know the answer to a question, don't post.

Coming from a simpleton like you, that's a riot. [censored] now, dumbass

JD

Paulus said:

If you took the time to look at those links, you would have noticed

they

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are for the 5th Element COIL and NOT the 5th Element AIR.

Hey , Einstein, you asked for the links that Progressive referred to in their Product Manual (you
knopw, the one that you can't understand for some reason).

Those are the links. If you're unhappy that they are for their coil shocks, whine to Progressive.

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You might want to give this product a try:

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They also have a toll-free number if you have trouble copying and pasting the link.

1-800-532-3607

Yeah, that's pretty ironic coming from someone who can't even understand a product manual.

Try the SS.

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Originally posted by Paulus
If you took the time to look at those links, you would have noticed they are for the 5th Element COIL and NOT the 5th Element AIR.

You might want to give this product a try:

http://www.hop.com

They also have a toll-free number if you have trouble copying and pasting the link.

1-800-532-3607

While you were busy posting phone numbers and links on how someone should give you an answer to which you were just too lazy to get yourself...
here is Progressive's contact info...
Phone & Fax Numbers:
--For Literature - 877.690.7411
--Techline - 760.948.4012
--Fax - 760.948.4307

I bet for all the time you spent pissing and moaning here you could have taken your finger out of your nose and gone right to the source... Why did you waste all your time fishing for an answer?

---> Jimbo(san)