Trying Again

Sandy K. wrote:
:: I'm a 48 y/o male. My weight has ballooned to the highest it's ever
:: been. I did weight watchers in the eighties and then discovered
:: Atkins in the 90s. Have done it a few times but always slid back,
:: gaining more weight each time. I think my problem has always been
:: that I get bored with LCing and eventually begin to crave cookies.
:: First it's just one, then two won't hurt and before you know it,
:: half the box is gone. then some fruit to wash it down.
::
:: Last year I read The South Beach book and came to the conclusion
:: that it's similar to Atkins - although healthier - low fat, etc.

It's not true that SB is healthier than Atkins. It is different, though.

:: The first 2 weeks fo SB seems very simimlar to Atkins.
::
:: So this past Monday I decided to go back onto Atkins for a few weeks
:: and then will switch over to SB for the healthier version of the
:: diet. After 3 full days, I'm already feeling better, am in ketosis
:: and feeling positive. I've been walking about 1/2 mile after dinner
:: with dog at night.

If Atkins is so unhealthy, why are you feeling better? Does it make sense
that an unhealthy diet will make you feel better? Switch back to eating junk
food and see if you feel better then.

::
:: I've been eating 1 fried egg with leftover kielbasa for breakfast.
:: Lunch has been a LC salad and a diet coke. dinner has been either
:: grilled chicken or steak with some steamed cabbage and last night I
:: had grilled some scrod and encjoyed some crab legs with some steam
:: cauliflower. I've been working quite hard at not snacking, as that
:: is my downfall.
::
:: I've got to work at making this a lifestyle, rather than a diet -
:: however things come along - parties, travel, drinking, football
:: tailgating. Makes it tough to stick with it. for instance, I'm
:: planning a trip to Amsterdam with my wife in December - - will try
:: to remain good, but expect to slip some - afterall, it's Holland - -
:: not like their known for thier slimming diet.

Just stick to the basics when on travel - salads, meat, fish, cheeses, eggs,
etc. Stay away from parties. Plan ahead for tailgating. Try to quit
drinking while losing weight.

::
:: Looks like a good group of folks here - Hopefully I can get the
:: support to keep it going. Thanks for listening.

Consider sticking to what's working for you now....changing down the road
might result in another backslide.

Good luck.

Sandy K. said:

I've been eating 1 fried egg with leftover kielbasa for breakfast. Lunch
has been a LC salad and a diet coke. dinner has been either grilled chicken
or steak with some steamed cabbage and last night I had grilled some scrod
and encjoyed some crab legs with some steam cauliflower. I've been working
quite hard at not snacking, as that is my downfall.

Sandy,

That all sounds great, but something you might consider...examine
whether snacking itself has been your downfall or what you were
snacking on / how you were snacking was the problem.

Multiple sources suggest that "snacking" is actually an important part
of best controlling appetite and maintaining metabolism. That is,
eating 5 or 6 times per day versus 3, evens out appetite and keeps
your system from swinging to extremes; keeps it "rolling along." Of
course, you'll want to balance things out in terms of the overall
calorie range you're shooting for; i.e., adjust the size of the 3 main
meals.

The thing is to select the right kinds of things to snack on and to do
it in the right amounts.

RC

What you have described is not the "first two weeks" of the Atkins diet. Do
you have the book?

At any rate, one way to stop the snacking on cookies and other junk is to
not have them in the house. I solved that problem by keeping almonds around.
Pour out some, say to yourself: "This is my snack" and when they're gone,
stop eating. Some people say they stall on the carbonated drinks. You say
you drink diet coke. I believe Atkins frowns on caffeine in drinks--at least
the first two weeks. That is one reason why I said you aren't following the
Atkins diet. Other reasons include the vegetables you are eating (at least
in the first two weeks).

Basically, the Atkins diet gets you weaned off of sugar. It also controls
high glycemic carbs, but in my estimation, the first two weeks are to break
the sugar habit.

Pat in TX

You need to unwash your brain. Fat is not bad. Fat is good.

Sandy K. wrote:
| I'm a 48 y/o male. My weight has ballooned to the highest it's ever been.
| I did weight watchers in the eighties and then discovered Atkins in the
| 90s. Have done it a few times but always slid back, gaining more weight
| each time. I think my problem has always been that I get bored with
| LCing and eventually begin to crave cookies. First it's just one, then
| two won't hurt and before you know it, half the box is gone. then some
| fruit to wash it down.
|
| Last year I read The South Beach book and came to the conclusion that it's
| similar to Atkins - although healthier - low fat, etc. The first 2 weeks
| fo SB seems very simimlar to Atkins.
|
| So this past Monday I decided to go back onto Atkins for a few weeks and
| then will switch over to SB for the healthier version of the diet. After 3
| full days, I'm already feeling better, am in ketosis and feeling positive.
| I've been walking about 1/2 mile after dinner with dog at night.
|
| I've been eating 1 fried egg with leftover kielbasa for breakfast. Lunch
| has been a LC salad and a diet coke. dinner has been either grilled
| chicken or steak with some steamed cabbage and last night I had grilled
| some scrod and encjoyed some crab legs with some steam cauliflower. I've
| been working quite hard at not snacking, as that is my downfall.
|
| I've got to work at making this a lifestyle, rather than a diet - however
| things come along - parties, travel, drinking, football tailgating. Makes
| it tough to stick with it. for instance, I'm planning a trip to Amsterdam
| with my wife in December - - will try to remain good, but expect to slip
| some - afterall, it's Holland - - not like their known for thier slimming
| diet.
|
| Looks like a good group of folks here - Hopefully I can get the support to
| keep it going. Thanks for listening.
|
| Sandy
| 242/?/185 - I'm goin got wait the full 2 weeks before I get on the scale.

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Quoted message said:

I'm a 48 y/o male. My weight has ballooned to the highest it's ever been.

Hi Sandy, welcome to the group!

--
Saffire
205/127/125
Atkins since 6/14/03
Progress photo: http://photos.yahoo.com/saffire333

*** This post originated in alt.support.diet.low-carb -- its appearance
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Why do you even bother?

You know you were born to be fat.

--
Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than that. -- MFW

"Sandy K." <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

I'm a 48 y/o male. My weight has ballooned to the highest it's ever been.
I did weight watchers in the eighties and then discovered Atkins in the
90s.
Have done it a few times but always slid back, gaining more weight each
time. I think my problem has always been that I get bored with LCing and
eventually begin to crave cookies. First it's just one, then two won't
hurt
and before you know it, half the box is gone. then some fruit to wash it
down.

Last year I read The South Beach book and came to the conclusion that it's
similar to Atkins - although healthier - low fat, etc. The first 2 weeks
fo
SB seems very simimlar to Atkins.

So this past Monday I decided to go back onto Atkins for a few weeks and
then will switch over to SB for the healthier version of the diet. After 3
full days, I'm already feeling better, am in ketosis and feeling positive.
I've been walking about 1/2 mile after dinner with dog at night.

I've been eating 1 fried egg with leftover kielbasa for breakfast. Lunch
has been a LC salad and a diet coke. dinner has been either grilled
chicken
or steak with some steamed cabbage and last night I had grilled some scrod
and encjoyed some crab legs with some steam cauliflower. I've been
working
quite hard at not snacking, as that is my downfall.

I've got to work at making this a lifestyle, rather than a diet - however
things come along - parties, travel, drinking, football tailgating. Makes
it tough to stick with it. for instance, I'm planning a trip to Amsterdam
with my wife in December - - will try to remain good, but expect to slip
some - afterall, it's Holland - - not like their known for thier slimming
diet.

Looks like a good group of folks here - Hopefully I can get the support to
keep it going. Thanks for listening.

Sandy
242/?/185 - I'm goin got wait the full 2 weeks before I get on the scale.

"RC" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Sandy K. said:

I've been eating 1 fried egg with leftover kielbasa for breakfast. Lunch
has been a LC salad and a diet coke. dinner has been either grilled

chicken

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

or steak with some steamed cabbage and last night I had grilled some

scrod

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

and encjoyed some crab legs with some steam cauliflower. I've been

working

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

quite hard at not snacking, as that is my downfall.

Sandy,

That all sounds great, but something you might consider...examine
whether snacking itself has been your downfall or what you were
snacking on / how you were snacking was the problem.

Multiple sources suggest that "snacking" is actually an important part
of best controlling appetite and maintaining metabolism. That is,
eating 5 or 6 times per day versus 3, evens out appetite and keeps
your system from swinging to extremes; keeps it "rolling along." Of
course, you'll want to balance things out in terms of the overall
calorie range you're shooting for; i.e., adjust the size of the 3 main
meals.

The thing is to select the right kinds of things to snack on and to do
it in the right amounts.

RC

By snacking I really meant pigging out with cookies and chips during the
late evenings. I am generally not hungry during the day, so I don't require
any snacks to even things out.

Sandy

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Quoted message said:

What you have described is not the "first two weeks" of the Atkins diet.

Do

Quoted message said:

you have the book?

Pat - you need to recheck the induction guidelines and yes I have the book.

Quoted message said:

At any rate, one way to stop the snacking on cookies and other junk is to
not have them in the house. I solved that problem by keeping almonds

around.

Quoted message said:

Pour out some, say to yourself: "This is my snack" and when they're gone,
stop eating. Some people say they stall on the carbonated drinks. You say
you drink diet coke. I believe Atkins frowns on caffeine in drinks--at

least

Quoted message said:

the first two weeks. That is one reason why I said you aren't following

the

Quoted message said:

Atkins diet. Other reasons include the vegetables you are eating (at least
in the first two weeks).

My diet coke is caffine free and both cabbage and cauliflower are included
during the induction phase. See
http://atkins.com/Archive/2001/12/15-464579.html

My lunch salad does not exceed 2 cups.

Sandy K.

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Quoted message said:

I'm a 48 y/o male. My weight has ballooned to the highest it's ever

been.

Quoted message said:

Hi Sandy, welcome to the group!

Thanks.

Get creative with tailgating.
Shiskabob, Sate', other stick meat stuff. For a full assortment, check
out
The Barbeque Bible by Stephen Raichlen. Not all LC, but easily over 80%
is modifiable to low carb.

Drinking:
Drink hard hard (Old School drinks, like Gimlets) or drink light beer
(Mic Ultra, Miller Lite, etc). Drink wine in moderation. With the
expanded carb range on SB, you should be able to fit a glass or two in.

Travel:
As noted: Keep it simple. Salads, meats, cheeses, and since your SB,
fruits.

Parties:
I pre-eat for parties. Eat a little before, where I can control, then I
can make good decisions at the party.

Snacking is just making the commitment to yourself to cut it out or do
it smartly.

Good luck and good speed.

-Hollywood, who thinks if you are really ready to commit, you cannot
fail.

Sandy K. said:

I've got to work at making this a lifestyle, rather than a diet - however
things come along - parties, travel, drinking, football tailgating. Makes

Quoted message said:

Sandy
242/?/185 - I'm goin got wait the full 2 weeks before I get on the scale.

"Sandy K." <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

RC

By snacking I really meant pigging out with cookies and chips during the
late evenings. I am generally not hungry during the day, so I don't

require

Quoted message said:

any snacks to even things out.

Don't buy cookies and chips. Buy eggs, jerky, nuts, cheese, celery,
guacamole, olives, sour cream.

--
No Husband Has Ever Been Shot While Doing The Dishes

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"Sandy K." <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

RC

By snacking I really meant pigging out with cookies and chips during the
late evenings. I am generally not hungry during the day, so I don't

require

Quoted message said:

any snacks to even things out.

Don't buy cookies and chips. Buy eggs, jerky, nuts, cheese, celery,
guacamole, olives, sour cream.

Celery, zuchinni, radishes, avocados, boston butter lettuce
and low carb salad dressings.
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

Pat said:

What you have described is not the "first two weeks" of the Atkins diet. Do
you have the book?

At any rate, one way to stop the snacking on cookies and other junk is to
not have them in the house. I solved that problem by keeping almonds around.
Pour out some, say to yourself: "This is my snack" and when they're gone,
stop eating. Some people say they stall on the carbonated drinks. You say
you drink diet coke. I believe Atkins frowns on caffeine in drinks--at least
the first two weeks. That is one reason why I said you aren't following the
Atkins diet. Other reasons include the vegetables you are eating (at least
in the first two weeks).

Basically, the Atkins diet gets you weaned off of sugar. It also controls
high glycemic carbs, but in my estimation, the first two weeks are to break
the sugar habit.

Pat in TX

I lost 60 pounds on Atkins while drinking my Diet Mountain Dew.
I guess I was lucky except for not doing maintenance & gaining more
back. I'm back on & have to realize that it is a way of life & that I
have to read the rest of the book.

"Drinking:
Drink hard hard (Old School drinks, like Gimlets) or drink light beer
(Mic Ultra, Miller Lite, etc). Drink wine in moderation. With the
expanded carb range on SB, you should be able to fit a glass or two in.
"

Why is wine the only drink that requires the moderation modifier?
There are lots of dry wines that are about 3g per serving, about the
same as a LC beer. And I would caution to be careful with light beer,
there is a wide variation in how many carbs they contain, read the
label. For example, a Coors Light has over twice the carbs as a Mich
Ultra. Also, "old school" is not a very good description of acceptable
mixed drinks. An "old fashioned", for example, could be called an old
school drink and it's hard liquor plus sugar. A better descripiton is
any mixed drink that contains pure distilled spirits, (gin, vodka, rum,
whiskey) and mixers that are LC.

But perhaps the best advice for someone who's failed many times at LC
before, is to give up alcohol all together, or at least limit it to an
occasional special occasion, until you are close to maintenance. One
big problem with alcohol is that one drink can lead to five, especially
at a party or bar. Alcohol usually makes me more hungry and being
hungry in those kinds of environments, combined with alcohol, can
quickly lead to eating the wrong foods.

<snip>

Sandy K. said:

I'm planning a trip to Amsterdam
with my wife in December - - will try to remain good, but expect to slip
some - afterall, it's Holland - - not like their known for thier slimming
diet.

<snip>

Careful around those Amsterdam 'smoking coffeeshops'... if you
believe some of the folks around here, you get even a whiff of what
they're smoking and you'll be snarfling up that carby Dutch food like a
madman.

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Why do you ask questions if you don't want to hear the truth?

Why are you such an [censored]? If you don't have something constructive to
add then why do you feel compelled to make derogatory comments?

The truth is not derogatory.

--
Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than that. -- MFW

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"JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Why do you ask questions if you don't want to hear the truth?

Why are you such an [censored]? If you don't have something constructive to
add then why do you feel compelled to make derogatory comments?

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mare said:

Pat said:

What you have described is not the "first two weeks" of the Atkins diet. Do
you have the book?

At any rate, one way to stop the snacking on cookies and other junk is to
not have them in the house. I solved that problem by keeping almonds around.
Pour out some, say to yourself: "This is my snack" and when they're gone,
stop eating. Some people say they stall on the carbonated drinks. You say
you drink diet coke. I believe Atkins frowns on caffeine in drinks--at least
the first two weeks. That is one reason why I said you aren't following the
Atkins diet. Other reasons include the vegetables you are eating (at least
in the first two weeks).

Basically, the Atkins diet gets you weaned off of sugar. It also controls
high glycemic carbs, but in my estimation, the first two weeks are to break
the sugar habit.

Pat in TX

I lost 60 pounds on Atkins while drinking my Diet Mountain Dew.
I guess I was lucky except for not doing maintenance & gaining more
back. I'm back on & have to realize that it is a way of life & that I
have to read the rest of the book.

There ya go. Diet Mountain Dew doesn't have sugar anyway. And I'm
firmly in the camp that believes caffeine only stalls some people, not
all of us.

Caffeine can't stall anyone, as it has no calories.

--
Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than that. -- MFW

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In article <[email hidden]>,

mare said:

Pat said:

What you have described is not the "first two weeks" of the Atkins
diet. Do
you have the book?

At any rate, one way to stop the snacking on cookies and other junk is
to
not have them in the house. I solved that problem by keeping almonds
around.
Pour out some, say to yourself: "This is my snack" and when they're
gone,
stop eating. Some people say they stall on the carbonated drinks. You
say
you drink diet coke. I believe Atkins frowns on caffeine in drinks--at
least
the first two weeks. That is one reason why I said you aren't following
the
Atkins diet. Other reasons include the vegetables you are eating (at
least
in the first two weeks).

Basically, the Atkins diet gets you weaned off of sugar. It also
controls
high glycemic carbs, but in my estimation, the first two weeks are to
break
the sugar habit.

Pat in TX

I lost 60 pounds on Atkins while drinking my Diet Mountain Dew.
I guess I was lucky except for not doing maintenance & gaining more
back. I'm back on & have to realize that it is a way of life & that I
have to read the rest of the book.

There ya go. Diet Mountain Dew doesn't have sugar anyway. And I'm
firmly in the camp that believes caffeine only stalls some people, not
all of us.