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  1. Of course the advertising books/materials are given away free.
    This fuels the sale of his brand of vitamins which covers the
    expenses of printing the advertising.

    Anth said:

    You don't have to buy his vitamins to get the books.
    Anth

    "W_B" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Likely because the margins on vitamin sales are so large, and
    that the 'free books' are expensed as advertising.

    On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 17:17:35 +0100, "Anth" <[email hidden]>


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    (Also for anyone who thinks Rath is just out to push his vitamins he does
    free books which cost a considerable amount of money to print and
    distribute)
    Anth

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    [snip]

    --

    W_B

    Take out the G'RBAGE
    [email hidden]

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    Like your belief in ASSupuncture?
    Anth

    Hmm, that's a new one to me. Its not surprising a name like that would appeal
    to you, but I digress. Below, I've cited a nice UK sourced link that is free
    from the EOM of the FDA, CDC, & NIH.

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    "Jesus Loves Ilsa9" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Perhaps you would like to explain why and your reasoning behind it?
    Anth


    http://medweb.bham.ac.uk/http/depts/path/Teaching/foundat/athero/athero2.htm

    What Causes Hardening Of The Arteries?

    Blood vessels lose a certain amount of elasticity with aging.
    A build up of fatty deposits (plaque) occurs in the blood vessel lining.
    Loss of vessel elasticity is termed arteriosclerosis, while fatty deposit
    build-up is termed atherosclerosis.
    The process is thought to begin early in life.
    Cigarette smoking is thought to be a causative factor.
    High blood pressure is thought to be a causative factor.
    Diabetes is thought to be a causative factor.
    Obesity is thought to be a causative factor.

    <snip>

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    [email hidden] (Jesus Loves Ilsa9) wrote in
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    Perhaps you would like to explain why and your reasoning behind it?
    Anth

    Well, for starters your view is based upon an undereducated,
    unscientific, medically invalid viewpoint. Your sole justification is
    your belief and need to believe. Sadly, this is your only method of
    self-empowerment. Education, not denial, is the way to the truth.

    To be more specific, it's based on the logical fallacy of affirming the
    consequent:

    If A then B
    Observe B
    Therefore, A

    which in this case leads to an ideology that says that every effect must
    have one and only one cause. This leads to the specific error of assuming
    that if poor nutrition *can* lead to atherosclerosis, than any case of
    atherosclerosis *must* be due to poor nutrition.

    You know, I was going to post *Exactly* that, verbatim. I guess my keyboard
    doesn't work as well as yours.

  4. Actually as demonstrated in the pilot study and by other experiments.
    Anth

    "Eric Bohlman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    [email hidden] (Jesus Loves Ilsa9) wrote in
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    Quoted message said:
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    Perhaps you would like to explain why and your reasoning behind it?
    Anth

    Well, for starters your view is based upon an undereducated,
    unscientific, medically invalid viewpoint. Your sole justification is
    your belief and need to believe. Sadly, this is your only method of
    self-empowerment. Education, not denial, is the way to the truth.

    To be more specific, it's based on the logical fallacy of affirming the
    consequent:

    If A then B
    Observe B
    Therefore, A

    which in this case leads to an ideology that says that every effect must
    have one and only one cause. This leads to the specific error of assuming
    that if poor nutrition *can* lead to atherosclerosis, than any case of
    atherosclerosis *must* be due to poor nutrition.

  5. "W_B" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    On Sat, 01 May 2004 19:53:56 GMT, [email hidden] (David Wright)


    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    DRCEEPHD said:

    All your genetic prifiles mean is that if you cook, eat, and live
    like your parents, you stand a very high chance of developing their
    diseases. We don't need gene modification of avoid our parent's
    diseases. We simply need to eat and live a more healthy lifestyle.

    I'm sure parents with children who developed, say, Tay-Sachs disease
    will be so pleased to know they could have avoided all those
    unpleasant deaths with the proper diet.

    Not to mention Trisomy 21

    Why so exotic? Perhaps "doctor" C would explain how a proper diet can
    prevent measles or tuberculosis? Maybe eating enough garlic would repel
    mosquitos and prevent malaria?

    --Rich

  6. "Doug Adam" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "Anth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    http://www.cqs.com/codex.htm
    Anth


    Why do you do this Anth?
    Most of the time I mistake you for a sane person.
    And then you go and post this link.....

    BTW, three different root causes of heart disease are:
    1, diet - too many calories

    http://www.drlam.com/A3R_brief_in_doc_format/vitamin_C_therapy_in_cardiovascular_disease.cfm

    Vitamin C intake neutralizes a high fat meal.

    In a study conducted by Dr. Plotnick, University of Maryland School of
    Medicine, 20 healthy men and women were fed on one of the three
    breakfasts: -

    (1) A high-fat meal consisting of an Egg McMuffin, Sausage McMuffin, and two
    hash brown patties.

    (2) A high-fat breakfast after the subjects were given 1,000 mg of vitamin C
    and 800 IU of vitamin E.

    (3) A low-fat breakfast of cereal, skim milk, and orange juice.

    In this study, Dr Plotnick discovered that a single high-fat meal increased
    blood triglyceride levels by more than 60 percent and decreased endothelial
    function by two to four hours. The decrease in endothelial function also
    correlated with an increase in triglyceride levels, but not with fasting
    triglyceride levels. The researchers were also pleased to note that taking
    vitamins C and E just before the high-fat meal helped to maintain normal
    endothelial functions. Surprisingly, the effects of the vitamin were the
    same as eating the low-fat meal, which produced no increase in triglycerides
    or decrease in endothelial function.

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    2, smoking

    4. Vitamin C helps to neutralize cigarette smoke

    Cigarette smoking causes endothelial dysfunction.

    A study using 20 smokers and non-smokers was conducted to examine the
    effects of vitamin C and cigarette smoking on endothelium-dependent
    vasodilation. The lumen diameter and the velocity flow of the brachial
    arteries at rest were measured during:

    1. The reactive hyperemia following transient arterial occlusion

    2. After 0.3 mg of sublingal nitroglycerin with high-resolution ultrasound.

    3. After infusion of saline or saline plus vitamin C (10 mg/min for 20 min).

    The same study was also performed in 15 smokers before and 10 minutes after
    cigarette smoking. Their serum levels of vitamin C and plasma levels of
    thiobarbituric acid reactive substances (TBARS) as an index of lipid
    peroxidation were also measured. The results showed that the smokers had
    lower vitamin C levels and higher TBARS levels. Their results also showed
    the impairment of flow-dependent vasodilatation when compared with
    non-smokers. When Vitamin C was given, it improved the impairment of
    flow -dependent vasodilatation and decreased TBARS in smokers. However,
    vitamin C administration did not have any effects in the non-smokers. The
    researchers also concluded that cigarette smoking acutely worsened the
    impairment of flow-dependent vasodilatation and increased TBARS. As such,
    researchers conclude that:

    (1) Endothelium-dependent vasodilatation in the brachial arteries was
    impaired in smokers. When vitamin C was given, there was a decrease in
    TBARS.

    (2) Cigarette smoking produced acute impairment of endothelium-dependent
    vasodilatation in smokers in association with an increase in TBARS.

    Quoted message said:

    3, genetic

    Anth

  7. Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Stop CODEX
    From: "Anth" [email hidden]
    Date: 4/28/04 6:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

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    (3) A low-fat breakfast of cereal, skim milk, and orange juice.

    Here we have a low-fat breakfast defined as processed cereal of some
    undisclosed type; processed, homogenized, pasteurized cow's milk, and probably
    orange juice from concentrate.

    I wonder what the short term and long term results of a real low-fat breakfast
    would be?

    One like: rolled oats with fresh fruit and no milk. If milk is needed, we use
    unpasteurized, non-homogenized goat's milk. The orange juice would be fresh
    squeezed.

    The best low fat breakfast is no food at all.

    The second best low fat breakfast is no cooked food at all, and only fresh
    fruit of the season.

    A scrumptious drink could be a smoothie: The fresh juice of three oranges
    combined with a fresh bannana in a blender with another fruit to add color and
    flavor. This makes my breakfast all by itself.

    DrC PhD.

  8. Dr. Anthony Rees, co-founder of the organization, "Pharmapact" came to Bonn
    from South Africa. Last year, he attended the Codex convention as a press
    observer. This year, he served as an advisor to the South African
    delegation. "The world is at very great risk," said Dr. Rees. "People are at
    very great risk thanks to Codex, because the huge group of pharmaceutical
    interests is not at all interested in our health. For a country like South
    Africa that for so long experienced repression, this new gagging action is
    unacceptable. The South African government, therefore, intervened, not to
    continue to regulate the health importance of vitamins and natural remedies,
    but to help disseminate them worldwide," emphasized Dr. Rees.

    THESE PEOPLE ARE NOT INTERESTED IN YOUR HEALTH - THEY ARE INTERESTED IN YOUR
    MONEY! THEY DEMONSTRASRATED THIS WITH THEIR VITAMIN CARTELS.
    Anth

  9. "Anth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    For me there's one cause of atherosclerosis, which is lack of essential
    nutrients to repair the lesions in the artery. I can assure you I am very
    sane.
    Anth


    Does that mean that the cause of your aterosclerosis is lack of nutrients?
    Or that you only accept that atherosclerosis is caused by lack of essenyial
    nutrients?

    The American Heart Association has this to say about risk factors:

    'Males and people with a family history of premature cardiovascular disease
    have an increased risk of atherosclerosis. These risk factors can't be
    controlled. Research shows the benefits of reducing the controllable risk
    factors for atherosclerosis:

    * High blood cholesterol (especially LDL or "bad" cholesterol over 100
    mg/dL)
    * Cigarette smoking and exposure to tobacco smoke
    * High blood pressure
    * Diabetes mellitus
    * Obesity
    * Physical inactivity'

    copied from this web site:
    http://www.americanheart.org/presenter.jhtml?identifier=4440

    As for your sanity, I want a second opinion.
    What do the voices in your head say?

    --
    The Spider Web is to catch spam.
    Brush it aside to email me.

    Doug

  10. It means that atherosclerosis is basically the bodies natural defense system
    of laying down support to attempt to repair a damaged artery.
    When the essential nutrients are there (proline lysine and ascorbate) the
    body finishes the repair and the plaque dissolves.
    In other words atherosclerosis is nothing more than sub-clinical scurvy.
    (Rath/Pauling)
    I don't have any voices in my head apart from my own.
    Anth

    "Doug Adam" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "Anth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    For me there's one cause of atherosclerosis, which is lack of essential
    nutrients to repair the lesions in the artery. I can assure you I am


    very

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    sane.
    Anth


    Does that mean that the cause of your aterosclerosis is lack of nutrients?
    Or that you only accept that atherosclerosis is caused by lack of


    essenyial

    Quoted message said:

    nutrients?

    The American Heart Association has this to say about risk factors:

    'Males and people with a family history of premature cardiovascular


    disease

    Quoted message said:

    have an increased risk of atherosclerosis. These risk factors can't be
    controlled. Research shows the benefits of reducing the controllable risk
    factors for atherosclerosis:

    * High blood cholesterol (especially LDL or "bad" cholesterol over 100
    mg/dL)
    * Cigarette smoking and exposure to tobacco smoke
    * High blood pressure
    * Diabetes mellitus
    * Obesity
    * Physical inactivity'

    copied from this web site:
    http://www.americanheart.org/presenter.jhtml?identifier=4440

    As for your sanity, I want a second opinion.
    What do the voices in your head say?

    --
    The Spider Web is to catch spam.
    Brush it aside to email me.

    Doug

  11. Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Stop CODEX
    From: "Doug Adam" [email hidden]
    Date: 4/29/04 9:37 AM Eastern Daylight Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    The American Heart Association has this to say about risk factors:

    'Males and people with a family history of premature cardiovascular disease
    have an increased risk of atherosclerosis. These risk factors can't be
    controlled.

    We talk of genes and family history. One thing that is just as pertinent is
    cooking and eating habits.

    We learn from our family. We like food and eat food like we had when we were
    young. Dietary habits and lifestyle habits are more important to long term
    health than your genetic profile.

    All your genetic prifiles mean is that if you cook, eat, and live like your
    parents, you stand a very high chance of developing their diseases. We don't
    need gene modification of avoid our parent's diseases. We simply need to eat
    and live a more healthy lifestyle.

    DrC PhD

  12. "DRCEEPHD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Stop CODEX
    From: "Doug Adam" [email hidden]
    Date: 4/29/04 9:37 AM Eastern Daylight Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    The American Heart Association has this to say about risk factors:

    'Males and people with a family history of premature cardiovascular


    disease

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    have an increased risk of atherosclerosis. These risk factors can't be
    controlled.

    We talk of genes and family history. One thing that is just as pertinent


    is

    Quoted message said:

    cooking and eating habits.

    We learn from our family. We like food and eat food like we had when we


    were

    Quoted message said:

    young. Dietary habits and lifestyle habits are more important to long


    term

    Quoted message said:

    health than your genetic profile.

    All your genetic prifiles mean is that if you cook, eat, and live like


    your

    Quoted message said:

    parents, you stand a very high chance of developing their diseases. We


    don't

    Quoted message said:

    need gene modification of avoid our parent's diseases. We simply need to


    eat

    Quoted message said:

    and live a more healthy lifestyle.

    DrC PhD

    That's exactly what the article says.
    Good diet, in that you avoid obesity, is one of the controllable factors.

    Genetic factors are not those observed from parents. My dad is fat and has
    bad eating habits. I have good eating habits and am not fat (at least
    during the times I exhibit self dicipline). It is not genetic. My low
    heart rate and good eye sight, on the other hand, is genetic and is shared
    by my family.

    --
    The Spider Web is to catch spam.
    Brush it aside to email me.

    Doug

  13. In article <[email hidden]>,

    DRCEEPHD said:

    All your genetic prifiles mean is that if you cook, eat, and live
    like your parents, you stand a very high chance of developing their
    diseases. We don't need gene modification of avoid our parent's
    diseases. We simply need to eat and live a more healthy lifestyle.

    I'm sure parents with children who developed, say, Tay-Sachs disease
    will be so pleased to know they could have avoided all those
    unpleasant deaths with the proper diet.

    -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
    These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
    "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
    were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

  14. (David Wright) said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    DRCEEPHD said:

    All your genetic prifiles mean is that if you cook, eat, and live
    like your parents, you stand a very high chance of developing their
    diseases. We don't need gene modification of avoid our parent's
    diseases. We simply need to eat and live a more healthy lifestyle.

    I'm sure parents with children who developed, say, Tay-Sachs disease
    will be so pleased to know they could have avoided all those
    unpleasant deaths with the proper diet.

    Not to mention Trisomy 21
    --

    W_B

    Take out the G'RBAGE
    [email hidden]

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