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  1. "Anth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    http://www.cqs.com/codex.htm
    Anth

    This article is a dense collection of lies and half-truths. So is the rest
    of his website, where he promises "natural" cures for all disease, but
    provides only invective against medical doctors, and offers to sell
    "manuals" describing his "therapies."

    My favorite [censored] quote from him is, "Dr. Matthias Rath worked with Linus
    Pauling in the discovery of the root cause of heart disease." This is stated
    repeatedly on the website, usually with a mention of Pauling's Nobel prizes
    (which were NOT in nutritional or cardiology related fields). What's silly
    about this is that there are MANY diseases of the heart, all with different
    "roots." Rath and Pauling made no such discovery. Had they accomplished this
    impossible feat, I'm sure another Nobel would have been forthcoming.

    --Rich

  2. "Anth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    I also add perhaps Rich could write a better site? *oops* but he hasn't.
    Anth

    Yes, I could write a better site. But I'm not marketing any products, so why
    should I? If you want the TRUTH about CODEX, look here:

    http://www.codexalimentarius.net/

    Now THAT's a better site!

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    "Anth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Pauling/Rath published the 'unified theory of cardiovascular disease.'
    Your point?
    Anth

    Atherosclerosis
    Angina
    Atrial fibrillation
    Wolf-Parkinson-White disease
    Congestive heart failure
    Coronary artery disease
    Sick sinus syndrome
    Tetralogy of Fallot
    Acute coronary syndrome
    Myocardial Infarction
    Mitral regurgitation
    Rheumatic heart disease
    Cardiomyopathy
    Endocarditis
    Bundle branch block
    And on...and on...and on
    (These are just a few that I could remember off the top of my head.)

    Do you really think that these could be lumped together under any "unified
    theory" and treated all the same with vitamin C? They can't. That's my
    point.

    --Rich

  3. "DRCEEPHD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    One like: rolled oats with fresh fruit and no milk. If milk is needed,


    we use

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    unpasteurized, non-homogenized goat's milk. The orange juice would be


    fresh

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    squeezed.

    Goat milk IS homogenized, in a sense. All homogenization does is break up
    the fat globules to a size small enough that they can remain in suspension
    in the milk. Goat milk-fat molecules are already small enough to remain
    suspended. Homogenization makes no change whatsoever in the nutrition or
    wholesomeness of cow's milk. Pasteurization makes a big difference in its
    wholesomeness, though, preventing the transmission of some really nasty
    diseases such as tuberculosis and brucelosis (called undulant fever in
    humans).

    --Rich (Ex dairyman)

  4. http://www.cqs.com/codex.htm
    Anth

  5. Pauling/Rath published the 'unified theory of cardiovascular disease.'
    Your point?
    Anth

    "Rich Shewmaker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "Anth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    http://www.cqs.com/codex.htm
    Anth

    This article is a dense collection of lies and half-truths. So is the rest
    of his website, where he promises "natural" cures for all disease, but
    provides only invective against medical doctors, and offers to sell
    "manuals" describing his "therapies."

    My favorite [censored] quote from him is, "Dr. Matthias Rath worked with


    Linus

    Quoted message said:

    Pauling in the discovery of the root cause of heart disease." This is


    stated

    Quoted message said:

    repeatedly on the website, usually with a mention of Pauling's Nobel


    prizes

    Quoted message said:

    (which were NOT in nutritional or cardiology related fields). What's silly
    about this is that there are MANY diseases of the heart, all with


    different

    Quoted message said:

    "roots." Rath and Pauling made no such discovery. Had they accomplished


    this

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    impossible feat, I'm sure another Nobel would have been forthcoming.

    --Rich

  6. I also add perhaps Rich could write a better site? *oops* but he hasn't.
    Anth

    "Anth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Pauling/Rath published the 'unified theory of cardiovascular disease.'
    Your point?
    Anth

    "Rich Shewmaker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "Anth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    http://www.cqs.com/codex.htm
    Anth

    This article is a dense collection of lies and half-truths. So is the


    rest

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    Quoted message said:

    of his website, where he promises "natural" cures for all disease, but
    provides only invective against medical doctors, and offers to sell
    "manuals" describing his "therapies."

    My favorite [censored] quote from him is, "Dr. Matthias Rath worked with


    Linus

    Quoted message said:

    Pauling in the discovery of the root cause of heart disease." This is


    stated

    Quoted message said:

    repeatedly on the website, usually with a mention of Pauling's Nobel


    prizes

    Quoted message said:

    (which were NOT in nutritional or cardiology related fields). What's


    silly

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    Quoted message said:

    about this is that there are MANY diseases of the heart, all with


    different

    Quoted message said:

    "roots." Rath and Pauling made no such discovery. Had they accomplished


    this

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    impossible feat, I'm sure another Nobel would have been forthcoming.

    --Rich

  7. Actually if you want to be informed about how CODEX is being used as a tool
    for the pharma cartels visit the Dr Rath site,
    as for your other comment, I think it's all wind, you have not demonstrated
    anything but being pedantic about the phrase 'heart disease' out of context!
    If you want to put up a site I'll take a pedantic look and drive you mad
    running around in circles....
    Anth

    "Rich Shewmaker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "Anth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    I also add perhaps Rich could write a better site? *oops* but he hasn't.
    Anth

    Yes, I could write a better site. But I'm not marketing any products, so


    why

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    should I? If you want the TRUTH about CODEX, look here:

    http://www.codexalimentarius.net/

    Now THAT's a better site!

    Quoted message said:


    "Anth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Pauling/Rath published the 'unified theory of cardiovascular disease.'
    Your point?
    Anth

    Atherosclerosis
    Angina
    Atrial fibrillation
    Wolf-Parkinson-White disease
    Congestive heart failure
    Coronary artery disease
    Sick sinus syndrome
    Tetralogy of Fallot
    Acute coronary syndrome
    Myocardial Infarction
    Mitral regurgitation
    Rheumatic heart disease
    Cardiomyopathy
    Endocarditis
    Bundle branch block
    And on...and on...and on
    (These are just a few that I could remember off the top of my head.)

    Do you really think that these could be lumped together under any "unified
    theory" and treated all the same with vitamin C? They can't. That's my
    point.

    --Rich

  8. "Anth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    http://www.cqs.com/codex.htm
    Anth


    Why do you do this Anth?
    Most of the time I mistake you for a sane person.
    And then you go and post this link.....

    BTW, three different root causes of heart disease are:
    1, diet - too many calories
    2, smoking
    3, genetic

    Prevention of the first two are well known and promoted by every doctor and
    government health department.
    Healthy diet and give up smoking.
    These two measures will not make too much money for the pharmacutical
    companies.

    I am sure there are other root causes too.

    --
    The Spider Web is to catch spam.
    Brush it aside to email me.

    Doug

  9. For me there's one cause of atherosclerosis, which is lack of essential
    nutrients to repair the lesions in the artery. I can assure you I am very
    sane.
    Anth

    "Doug Adam" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "Anth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    http://www.cqs.com/codex.htm
    Anth


    Why do you do this Anth?
    Most of the time I mistake you for a sane person.
    And then you go and post this link.....

    BTW, three different root causes of heart disease are:
    1, diet - too many calories
    2, smoking
    3, genetic

    Prevention of the first two are well known and promoted by every doctor


    and

    Quoted message said:

    government health department.
    Healthy diet and give up smoking.
    These two measures will not make too much money for the pharmacutical
    companies.

    I am sure there are other root causes too.

    --
    The Spider Web is to catch spam.
    Brush it aside to email me.

    Doug

  10. Actually, if you want to be informed about how ANTH is being used as a tool of
    the Anti-Codex, naturopathic mafia, read his MHA posts.

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    Actually if you want to be informed about how CODEX is being used as a tool
    for the pharma cartels visit the Dr Rath site,
    as for your other comment, I think it's all wind, you have not demonstrated
    anything but being pedantic about the phrase 'heart disease' out of context!
    If you want to put up a site I'll take a pedantic look and drive you mad
    running around in circles....
    Anth

  11. Quoted message said:

    For me there's one cause of atherosclerosis, which is lack of essential
    nutrients to repair the lesions in the artery.

    Clearly, your lay opinion is in error.

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    I can assure you I am very sane.
    Anth

    Clearly, your lay opinion is in error.

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    "Doug Adam" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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  12. Dr Rath documented reversal of plaques in people with heart disease
    (atherosclerosis)
    The size of the plaques initially were larger than the discrete sampling
    interval he used in the scans, so it is unlikely that you would miss them
    with subsequent scans unless they got smaller.
    After the cocktail, at the end of the study (using half the sample interval
    as initially) he had people which didn't show any plaques - whereas
    initially they had plaques -
    thus proved reversal of plaques in the patient. (Also the small study took
    diet into account)
    Dr Rath has also documented complete prevention of similar plaques in guinni
    pigs (who don't produce vitamin c in their liver), in those taking the
    vitamin cocktail.
    He took his pilot study and research to the 'drug cartels big pharma' or
    whatever you want to call it, and they ignored his work because there's no
    money in it.
    CODEX is being used as a tool for 'big pharma' to block supplements, as a
    measure to increase their profits (they make a lot more money out of drugs
    than they do pushing vitamins)
    That is tantamount to genocide in my books. Anyone defending these guys is
    either stupid or has dubious motives in my books.
    Hope this answers your questions and any points raised.
    Anth

    "Doug Adam" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "Anth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    http://www.cqs.com/codex.htm
    Anth


    Why do you do this Anth?
    Most of the time I mistake you for a sane person.
    And then you go and post this link.....

    BTW, three different root causes of heart disease are:
    1, diet - too many calories
    2, smoking
    3, genetic

    Prevention of the first two are well known and promoted by every doctor


    and

    Quoted message said:

    government health department.
    Healthy diet and give up smoking.
    These two measures will not make too much money for the pharmacutical
    companies.

    I am sure there are other root causes too.

    --
    The Spider Web is to catch spam.
    Brush it aside to email me.

    Doug

  13. Perhaps you would like to explain why and your reasoning behind it?
    Anth

    "Jesus Loves Ilsa9" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    For me there's one cause of atherosclerosis, which is lack of essential
    nutrients to repair the lesions in the artery.

    Clearly, your lay opinion is in error.

    Quoted message said:

    I can assure you I am very sane.
    Anth

    Clearly, your lay opinion is in error.

    Quoted message said:

    "Doug Adam" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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  14. (Also for anyone who thinks Rath is just out to push his vitamins he does
    free books which cost a considerable amount of money to print and
    distribute)
    Anth

    "Anth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    [snip]

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    Perhaps you would like to explain why and your reasoning behind it?
    Anth

    Well, for starters your view is based upon an undereducated, unscientific,
    medically invalid viewpoint. Your sole justification is your belief and need
    to believe. Sadly, this is your only method of self-empowerment. Education,
    not denial, is the way to the truth.

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    "Jesus Loves Ilsa9" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    For me there's one cause of atherosclerosis, which is lack of essential
    nutrients to repair the lesions in the artery.

    Clearly, your lay opinion is in error.

    Quoted message said:

    I can assure you I am very sane.
    Anth

    Clearly, your lay opinion is in error.

  16. Like your belief in ASSupuncture?
    Anth

    "Jesus Loves Ilsa9" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Perhaps you would like to explain why and your reasoning behind it?
    Anth

    Well, for starters your view is based upon an undereducated, unscientific,
    medically invalid viewpoint. Your sole justification is your belief and


    need

    Quoted message said:

    to believe. Sadly, this is your only method of self-empowerment.


    Education,

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    not denial, is the way to the truth.

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    "Jesus Loves Ilsa9" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    >For me there's one cause of atherosclerosis, which is lack of


    essential

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    Quoted message said:
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    >nutrients to repair the lesions in the artery.

    Clearly, your lay opinion is in error.

    >I can assure you I am very sane.
    >Anth

    Clearly, your lay opinion is in error.

  17. Likely because the margins on vitamin sales are so large, and
    that the 'free books' are expensed as advertising.

    Anth said:

    (Also for anyone who thinks Rath is just out to push his vitamins he does
    free books which cost a considerable amount of money to print and
    distribute)
    Anth

    "Anth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    [snip]

    --

    W_B

    Take out the G'RBAGE
    [email hidden]

  18. "Jesus Loves Ilsa9" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Perhaps you would like to explain why and your reasoning behind it?
    Anth

    Well, for starters your view is based upon an undereducated, unscientific,
    medically invalid viewpoint. Your sole justification is your belief and


    need

    Quoted message said:

    to believe. Sadly, this is your only method of self-empowerment.


    Education,

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    not denial, is the way to the truth.


    So, you, ilsa, cannot explain, and so you simply restate your twisted ,
    wrong , uninformed, uneducated, OPINION.
    Tell me, are your hemorrhoids so bad that you can only be an [censored]?

  19. You don't have to buy his vitamins to get the books.
    Anth

    "W_B" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Likely because the margins on vitamin sales are so large, and
    that the 'free books' are expensed as advertising.

    On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 17:17:35 +0100, "Anth" <[email hidden]>


    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    (Also for anyone who thinks Rath is just out to push his vitamins he does
    free books which cost a considerable amount of money to print and
    distribute)
    Anth

    "Anth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    [snip]

    --

    W_B

    Take out the G'RBAGE
    [email hidden]

  20. [email hidden] (Jesus Loves Ilsa9) wrote in
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    Perhaps you would like to explain why and your reasoning behind it?
    Anth

    Well, for starters your view is based upon an undereducated,
    unscientific, medically invalid viewpoint. Your sole justification is
    your belief and need to believe. Sadly, this is your only method of
    self-empowerment. Education, not denial, is the way to the truth.

    To be more specific, it's based on the logical fallacy of affirming the
    consequent:

    If A then B
    Observe B
    Therefore, A

    which in this case leads to an ideology that says that every effect must
    have one and only one cause. This leads to the specific error of assuming
    that if poor nutrition *can* lead to atherosclerosis, than any case of
    atherosclerosis *must* be due to poor nutrition.

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