Vegetarianism

"ToolPackinMama" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I am so surprised that the vegetarian and vegan NGs on usenet seem so
dead. I just became a vegetarian fairly recently and was looking for an
active discussion forum.

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Not many people take that route. Sooner or later they miss a juicy
hamburger or friend chicken leg. I myself love fruit and veggies but I also
like to see a nice breaded baked porkchop on my plate as well. :-)
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ToolPackinMama said:

I am so surprised that the vegetarian and vegan NGs on usenet seem so
dead. I just became a vegetarian fairly recently and was looking for an
active discussion forum.

Maybe they all died of malnutrition.
See www.beyondveg.com/index.shtml for details.

It's not impossible to stay healthy on a vegan diet, but it's not
easy.

Tsu Dho Nimh

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Tsu Dho Nimh said:

ToolPackinMama said:

I am so surprised that the vegetarian and vegan NGs on usenet seem so
dead. I just became a vegetarian fairly recently and was looking for an
active discussion forum.

Maybe they all died of malnutrition.
See www.beyondveg.com/index.shtml for details.

It's not impossible to stay healthy on a vegan diet, but it's not
easy.

::sigh::

/me continues filing her nails, says nothing.

Kim said:

Not many people take that route. Sooner or later they miss a juicy
hamburger or friend chicken leg. I myself love fruit and veggies but

I also

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like to see a nice breaded baked porkchop on my plate as well. :-)

Keep the generalizations out of it, please. It's been my experience
that folks who switch to a vegetarian diet seldom 'miss' eating meat. I
could very easily transition my family over to ovolacto-vegetarianism -
and we're already very close - and none of us would miss what little
meat we eat. My husband used to be a 'steak and potatoes' man until
he got serious about running, then he stopped eating red meat entirely
with no regrets.
I know plenty of people who have gone ovolacto or even vegan, and they
don't regret it for a moment. They are healthier and have more energy
than they did when they were still had the 'meat and potatoes'
mentality.

Kimmer
kimagreenfieldatyahoodotcom

ToolPackinMama <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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Tsu Dho Nimh said:

ToolPackinMama said:

I am so surprised that the vegetarian and vegan NGs on usenet seem so
dead. I just became a vegetarian fairly recently and was looking for an
active discussion forum.

Maybe they all died of malnutrition.
See www.beyondveg.com/index.shtml for details.

It's not impossible to stay healthy on a vegan diet, but it's not
easy.

::sigh::

/me continues filing her nails, says nothing.

"It takes effort to be a well nourished vegetarian" is the way I'd put
it. Once a person educates themselves about a good vegetarian diet &
takes the time to shop for the foods (& prepare them) that make up
such a diet, it's not a Herculean task. Of course, the reasons
motivating the person's vegetarianism make a big difference in whether
or not they find it difficult to adhere to. [I'd be willing to bet
that someone whose spiritual or moral beliefs mandate a meatless diet
would find doing so less of a chore than someone doing it simply
because their significant other wants them to.]

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Kim said:

Not many people take that route. Sooner or later they miss a juicy
hamburger or friend chicken leg. I myself love fruit and veggies but

I also

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like to see a nice breaded baked porkchop on my plate as well. :-)

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Keep the generalizations out of it, please. It's been my experience
that folks who switch to a vegetarian diet seldom 'miss' eating meat.

Maybe YOU need to keep generalizations out of it because in my experience
ALL but one of them eventually went back to eating meat. And that ONE is
now eating "beef gravy" on his mashed spuds.

I

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could very easily transition my family over to ovolacto-vegetarianism -
and we're already very close - and none of us would miss what little
meat we eat.

Then don't GENERALIZE as other people do miss meat after awhile - just like
those on strict Atkins start to crave carbohydrates.

My husband used to be a 'steak and potatoes' man until

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he got serious about running, then he stopped eating red meat entirely
with no regrets.

Don't generalize because of your husband. I've known many people to go the
vegetarian route and didn't last more than a year or two on it. Several
suffered from anemia and had to get B12 shots, then take supplements.

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I know plenty of people who have gone ovolacto or even vegan, and they
don't regret it for a moment. They are healthier and have more energy
than they did when they were still had the 'meat and potatoes'
mentality.

And those on low-carb, high protein (meat) diets are claiming the SAME
thing - more energy, better sleep etc. Just check one of their posting
boards or NGs.

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Kimmer
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Kim said:

Don't generalize because of your husband. I've known many people to go the
vegetarian route and didn't last more than a year or two on it.

Actually, I was one of those people, once. I tried to go vegetarian
once before, but didn't last, because (I now realize) I wasn't doing it
right. A vegetarian diet isn't satisfying and healthful unless you lay
off of the junk food, and emphasize high-fiber, high-nutrition foods.

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And those on low-carb, high protein (meat) diets are claiming the SAME
thing - more energy, better sleep etc. Just check one of their posting
boards or NGs.

That's true. I was on a high protein, low carb diet, before I abandoned
meat completely. The more research I did, the more I realized that the
whole high-protein thing is a flawed idea. For one thing, too much
protein is not good for you. For another thing, it's not really a
healthy diet if you can't eat fruit.

Hi
I am vegetarian (lacto ovo) and I feel fine, have done for many years now
(18 years?)
As for the [censored] about meat etc - it's all lies - I used to actively do a
lot of high cardio sports,
(karate kung fu etc) and recently (some heart charity) had their wagons out
in the streets, testing people.
The woman was shocked at my heart rate and wanted to know why it was so low.
She asked me if I did sports, which I told her yes I did.
Anth

"ToolPackinMama" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I am so surprised that the vegetarian and vegan NGs on usenet seem so
dead. I just became a vegetarian fairly recently and was looking for an
active discussion forum.

Kim said:

"Kimmer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Kim said:

Not many people take that route. Sooner or later they miss a

juicy

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hamburger or friend chicken leg. I myself love fruit and veggies

but

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I also

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like to see a nice breaded baked porkchop on my plate as well.

:-)

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Keep the generalizations out of it, please. It's been my experience
that folks who switch to a vegetarian diet seldom 'miss' eating

meat.

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Maybe YOU need to keep generalizations out of it because in my

experience

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ALL but one of them eventually went back to eating meat. And that ONE

is

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now eating "beef gravy" on his mashed spuds.

I did not generalize. I said, 'in my experience', meaning only the cases
I know. Hardly applies universally.

You stop generalizing based on your experiences, okay? Your claim that,
and I quote, "Sooner or later they miss a juicy hamburger or friend
(good spelling error, BTW) chicken leg.", does not apply to all, as my
experience indicates otherwise.

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I

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could very easily transition my family over to

ovolacto-vegetarianism -

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and we're already very close - and none of us would miss what little
meat we eat.

Then don't GENERALIZE as other people do miss meat after awhile - just

like

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those on strict Atkins start to crave carbohydrates.

I didn't generalize. I even said 'in my experience', indicating that
it's not a universal statement. The people I know did not miss meat,
and the ones who did early morning workouts said that they noticed right
away that they didn't have a heavy feeling in their stomachs that they
had after eating a dinner containing meat. Again, just in my
experience.

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My husband used to be a 'steak and potatoes' man until

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he got serious about running, then he stopped eating red meat

entirely

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with no regrets.

Don't generalize because of your husband. I've known many people to

go the

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vegetarian route and didn't last more than a year or two on it.

Several

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suffered from anemia and had to get B12 shots, then take supplements.

Excuse me. Again, I wasn't the one who made the sweeping claim that, and
I quote from your post, "Sooner or later they miss a juicy
hamburger or friend chicken leg. " I am being specific. I even stated
'in my experience' to show that this does not apply to the rest of the
world, just the many people I have known who have changed to a
vegetarian diet and have not gone back.

Latest recommendations are that everyone, no matter what diet one
follows, should take a good multivitamin every day. Vegetarianism done
properly, with education and planning, can make people healthier than
their previous diets. Again, just in my experience.

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I know plenty of people who have gone ovolacto or even vegan, and

they

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don't regret it for a moment. They are healthier and have more

energy

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than they did when they were still had the 'meat and potatoes'
mentality.

And those on low-carb, high protein (meat) diets are claiming the SAME
thing - more energy, better sleep etc. Just check one of their

posting

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boards or NGs.

I'd rather not, as I have no desire to do the so-called 'low carb'
thing. Yes, I know these people make these claims, and that's all well
and good if it works for them. I did see, however, a long-term study
showing that the weight doesn't stay off in the long run. The big thing
in weight loss is taking in fewer calories than one uses every day.
Common sense, that. I know that the so-called 'low carb' diet would not
work for me; I tried something like this years ago and gained weight as
a result. I would be generalizing is I claimed that low-carb diets
won't work for everyone just because they don't work for me, but I would
never say that. I know people who have had great success with Atkins
and others who have not. Not everyone has the same metabolism, and some
will be able to process high-protein diets better than others. Fine and
dandy. To each their own. I will just keep doing what I've been doing to
lose weight in a slow and sensible manner to keep it off for longer. 25
pounds down and going strong, on a mostly vegetarian diet, too.

Kimmer
kimagreenfieldatyahoodotcom

I was a vegetarian in college, for about two years, in the early '70s.

The smell of bacon was soooo good.

I still am not a big meat person. Prime rib really turns me off.

j.

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