LDL Levels ?

Kamalakar Pasupuleti wrote in message ...

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Despite very good cholesterol levels my doctor
prescribed Zocor 10mg . TC 178 , HDL 40 , LDL 97 .
According to him the guidelines for diabetics is
to maintain LDL at below 70 . Not very convincing .

Kam

When you apply the Friedewald formula to your posted numbers:

TC = LDL + HDL + (Triglycerides/5)

it suggests that your triglycerides are about 200 mg/dL

That's way too high. You need to work on those numbers ASAP.

An important goal for a diabetic: a triglycerides/HDL ratio less than 3.0

Yours is over 5. That leads to high risk of premature heart attack.

You also want a Total Cholesterol/HDL ratio less than 4. Your 4.5 ratio is
close, but still too high for a diabetic.

Your cholesterol "looks" like it's better than mine (my TC = 184) but your
ratios are off. My triglycerides/HDL ratio is 1.1; my Total/HDL ratio is
2.7

Some ways to cut triglycerides

a.. Lose fat lb.
b. Exercise every day
c. Eat low carb
d. Zocor
e. Niacin

Some ways to increase HDL

a. Exercise every day
b. Zocor
c. Pantethine

Regards
Old Al

"Kamalakar Pasupuleti" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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Despite very good cholesterol levels my doctor
prescribed Zocor 10mg . TC 178 , HDL 40 , LDL 97 .
According to him the guidelines for diabetics is
to maintain LDL at below 70 . Not very convincing .

Kam

To paraphrase, "The nice thing about guidelines is that there are so
many from which to choose."
That being said, here is a short summary of the current situation:

For some time, the standard guideline for initial treatment of
cholesterol in diabetics was LDL>100. Having diabetes is considered a
risk factor for adverse cardiovascular events equal to having had a
prior heart attack. Research was published showing that the
cardiovascular protection of lower cholesterol continues to increase
as LDL is decreased past 100. Research was also published which
showed, at least some, statins have a cardiovascular protective effect
above and beyond their cholesterol lowering properties. This lead to
pressure to treat cholesterol in diabetics before they reached the
LDL>100 guideline and to use statins as the primary treatment choice.
Statins do have serious side effects in a small percentage of
diabetics. 1/3 of first heart attacks are fatal in the general
population and it is more in the diabetic population. There is a
general consensus among physicians that the trade off comes down on
the side of statin treatment, generally after dietary modification has
failed. Some very aggressive physicians suggest statin treatment in
all diabetics independent of cholesterol level. There has been an
expectation that the guidelines for initial treatment would be
modified. I hadn't heard that it had happened yet, but it is not
surprising.

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Forget the nonsense. Just don't allow your cholesterol to get
oxidized, as even Dr. Richard Stein of the AHA is now saying. Best
cholesterol levels are in the 200-220 range. Very low LDL levels mean
very high risk of cancer. High TGs reflect diet, and mean you are
probably eating too many carbs and not enough high quality protein and
saturated fatty acids. Again, the key is not to allow them to get
oxidized.

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Some ways to cut triglycerides

a.. Lose fat lb.
b. Exercise every day
c. Eat low carb
d. Zocor
e. Niacin
Some ways to increase HDL

a. Exercise every day

Quoted message said:

b. Zocor
c. Pantethine

Regards
Old Al

Excellent , does vitamin B12 help here ?
Regards ,
Kam

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Kamalakar Pasupuleti said:

Despite very good cholesterol levels my doctor
prescribed Zocor 10mg . TC 178 , HDL 40 , LDL 97 .
According to him the guidelines for diabetics is
to maintain LDL at below 70 . Not very convincing .

Kam

What are your triglycerides, and were you fasting for at least 12 hours
before the test?

I'm diabetic, my numbers are a good deal higher than yours, but my
ratios are good, my bg is tightly controlled, and I wouldn't take a
statin on a dare.

Susan

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oldal4865 said:

Some ways to increase HDL

a. Exercise every day
b. Zocor
c. Pantethine

d. low carbing

Susan

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Forget the nonsense. Just don't allow your cholesterol to get
oxidized, as even Dr. Richard Stein of the AHA is now saying. Best
cholesterol levels are in the 200-220 range. Very low LDL levels mean
very high risk of cancer. High TGs reflect diet, and mean you are
probably eating too many carbs and not enough high quality protein and
saturated fatty acids. Again, the key is not to allow them to get
oxidized.

The purpose of minimizing your triglycerides/HDL ratio is to prevent
cholesterol particles from being oxidized.

Regards
Old Al

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Quoted message said:

Some ways to cut triglycerides

a.. Lose fat lb.
b. Exercise every day
c. Eat low carb
d. Zocor
e. Niacin
Some ways to increase HDL

a. Exercise every day

Quoted message said:

b. Zocor
c. Pantethine

Regards
Old Al

Excellent , does vitamin B12 help here ?
Regards ,
Kam

Can't hurt, but Fish oil is good, as is Policosanol.

Cheers!
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Om.

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Despite very good cholesterol levels my doctor
prescribed Zocor 10mg . TC 178 , HDL 40 , LDL 97 .
According to him the guidelines for diabetics is
to maintain LDL at below 70 . Not very convincing .

Kam

You have borderline LDL, even for a non-diabetic. You have very high
triglycerides. You have low HDL. Combined with your diabetes, those things
put you at extremely high risk.

You might be able to bring your risk down to an acceptable level with
exercise, weight loss, and diet (low carb and low saturated fat), especially
if you use every trick to increase HDL.
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Jim Chinnis Warrenton, Virginia, USA [email hidden]

oldal4865 said:

Some ways to increase HDL

a. Exercise every day

Followed by a high fat meal within 12 hours of exercising.

Also, do not take more than 25 mg of Zinc a day.

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You might be able to bring your risk down to an acceptable level with
exercise, weight loss, and diet (low carb and low saturated fat), especially
if you use every trick to increase HDL.
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Jim Chinnis Warrenton, Virginia, USA [email hidden]

I had already lost 12 lbs and looks like a ghost .
I was never over weight , always trim and fit .

Regards ,
Kam

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You might be able to bring your risk down to an acceptable level with
exercise, weight loss, and diet (low carb and low saturated fat),

especially

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if you use every trick to increase HDL.
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I had already lost 12 lbs and looks like a ghost .
I was never over weight , always trim and fit .

Regards ,
Kam

The culprit is "Omental" fat, the fat underneath the abdominal
muscle layer. I have seen a medical article which commented on the fact
that folks from India can exhibit unhealthy levels of Insulin Resistance
despite appearing distinctly non-obese by European/African standards. They
seem to have more "active" Omental fat so a little bit goes a long way.

Regards
Old Al

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Can't hurt, but Fish oil is good, as is Policosanol.

Cheers!

Hi OM , What exactly is fish oil for -
To reduce TC / LDL / TG ,
and how much / how long of it to be taken .

Regards ,
Kam

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oldal4865 said:

Some ways to increase HDL

a. Exercise every day

Followed by a high fat meal within 12 hours of exercising.

Yes , my lipids improved with consumption of cheese and eggs .
There is some truth in your statement .

Regards ,
Kam

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Also, do not take more than 25 mg of Zinc a day.

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"oldal4865" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Some ways to cut triglycerides

a.. Lose fat lb.
b. Exercise every day
c. Eat low carb
d. Zocor
e. Niacin

Quoted message said:

Some ways to increase HDL

a. Exercise every day

Quoted message said:

b. Zocor
c. Pantethine

Regards
Old Al

Excellent , does vitamin B12 help here ?
Regards ,
Kam

Can't hurt, but Fish oil is good, as is Policosanol.

Cheers!

Fish oil is great, but I don't know of a single user of policosanol
whose gotten good results, like the ones I got from pantethine.

Susan

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Fish oil is great, but I don't know of a single user of policosanol
whose gotten good results, like the ones I got from pantethine.

Susan

Hi Susan , What results did you get from pantethine , LDL /TG / HDL
and at what dosage ?

Regards ,
Kam

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Fish oil is great, but I don't know of a single user of policosanol
whose gotten good results, like the ones I got from pantethine.

Susan

Hi Susan , What results did you get from pantethine , LDL /TG / HDL
and at what dosage ?

Regards ,
Kam

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Kamalakar Pasupuleti said:

Hi Susan , What results did you get from pantethine , LDL /TG / HDL
and at what dosage ?

Regards ,
Kam

At 450 mg, twice per day, changing nothing else, my LDL decreased 70
pts., my HDL went from 58 (had dropped from 68) to 70.

My TGL, IIRC, was in the 120s, but should be lower now, with better bg
control, diet, and metformin added.

Susan

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At 450 mg, twice per day, changing nothing else, my LDL decreased 70
pts., my HDL went from 58 (had dropped from 68) to 70.

My TGL, IIRC, was in the 120s, but should be lower now, with better bg
control, diet, and metformin added.

Susan

Great Susan , did you have any side effects ?
It is not available in walgreens and other drug chains ,
may be I need to try at vitamin stores .

Regards ,
Kam

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