ping lmpsmf David

"Ryan Case" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

Bought the e-book a week ago, started this morning.

Have l-c'd before.

Remember, this is l-c AND l-f. When Lyle writes, "...and nothing else", he's
not kidding.

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Any pointers, caveats, etc. you care to share at the begining instead of
letting me trip on them on my own?

Find whatever fibrous veges you like, and learn to eat them as snacks. Fat
free cheddar cheese is good on everything. Fat free cottage cheese is very
filling. Omelettes with Egg Beaters, fat free cheese, jalepenos, tabasco,
and a can of tuna...YUM. If you feel the need to pig out, try eating a bunch
of protein...fills you up, doesn't screw up the glycogen depletion and
ketosis. Do the 5 hour carbups, and don't worry about the weight gain: it's
all glycogen and water, will go away in a day or two, and will keep your
metabolism perking along. Don't neglect your multi vitamin/mineral
supplements and the fish oil.

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I was counting grams of protien this morning as I was making breakfast and
thinking that I will probably have a hard time actually eating 1g/lb of
lbm.

Yeah, I have the same experience. However, what you don't eat one day does
NOT get to be carried over until the next.

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All constructive thoughts/comments appreciated.

Only constructive? Damn, that cramps my style 🙁

David

David Cohen said:

"Ryan Case" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

Bought the e-book a week ago, started this morning.

Have l-c'd before.

Remember, this is l-c AND l-f. When Lyle writes, "...and nothing else", he's
not kidding.

Yeah, I got that.

Lyle kids? When? I missed it.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Any pointers, caveats, etc. you care to share at the begining instead of
letting me trip on them on my own?

Find whatever fibrous veges you like, and learn to eat them as snacks.

Have you rediscoverd any veggies that a person wouldn't normally think
of? I can do brocolli for about three weeks before I will not eat rather
than eat another piece, so a variety is really a good thing.

Quoted message said:

Fat free cheddar cheese is good on everything. Fat free cottage cheese is very
filling.

It seemed like there was a lot of carbs in the ff cottage cheese and ff
milk? I was surprised that they were acceptable. (not 100% sure that the
milk was acceptable, need to reread on a regular basis.)

Quoted message said:

Omelettes with Egg Beaters, fat free cheese, jalepenos, tabasco,
and a can of tuna...YUM.

Had trouble getting the egg beaters to work in an omelete this morning,
but it was the first time I had tried to use them anywhere. Came out
quite runny, to the point of having to switch to scrambled half way
through. I will have to do some omelette dinners when I have more time
to work with the materials.

Quoted message said:

If you feel the need to pig out, try eating a bunch
of protein...fills you up, doesn't screw up the glycogen depletion and
ketosis. Do the 5 hour carbups,

I don't get these yet, if I read it right, I only get two meals a week.
But I will get to getting them.

Quoted message said:

and don't worry about the weight gain: it's
all glycogen and water, will go away in a day or two, and will keep your
metabolism perking along. Don't neglect your multi vitamin/mineral
supplements and the fish oil.

Urrrrp! Mmm Fishy, a coworker and I were just discussing the aftermath
of fish oil caps with b-fast.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I was counting grams of protien this morning as I was making breakfast and
thinking that I will probably have a hard time actually eating 1g/lb of
lbm.

Yeah, I have the same experience. However, what you don't eat one day does
NOT get to be carried over until the next.

I wasn't planning on playing the savings account game. Of coursre, when/
if one gets hungry enough all kinds of rationalizing occurs. LOL Here's
to hoping that doesn't happen.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

All constructive thoughts/comments appreciated.

Only constructive? Damn, that cramps my style 🙁

In all honesty it wasn't you I was worried about, but in this group if
you aren't specific about what kind of criticism...

Quoted message said:

David

"Ryan Case" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

David Cohen said:

"Ryan Case" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

Bought the e-book a week ago, started this morning.

Have l-c'd before.

Remember, this is l-c AND l-f. When Lyle writes, "...and nothing else",
he's not kidding.

Yeah, I got that.

Lyle kids? When? I missed it.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Any pointers, caveats, etc. you care to share at the begining instead of
letting me trip on them on my own?

Find whatever fibrous veges you like, and learn to eat them as snacks.

Have you rediscoverd any veggies that a person wouldn't normally think of?
I can do brocolli for about three weeks before I will not eat rather than
eat another piece, so a variety is really a good thing.

I've been eating Clausen kosher dill pickles, radishes, brocciflower (a
hybrid), green peppers, tomatoes, jalepenos, roasted eggplant, and zucchini.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Fat free cheddar cheese is good on everything. Fat free cottage cheese is
very filling.

It seemed like there was a lot of carbs in the ff cottage cheese and ff
milk? I was surprised that they were acceptable. (not 100% sure that the
milk was acceptable, need to reread on a regular basis.)

The amount of carbs in ff cottage cheese is not enough to impact ketosis or
add a significant amount of calories. Don't know about the milk, as I don't
drink it...lactose intolerance.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Omelettes with Egg Beaters, fat free cheese, jalepenos, tabasco, and a
can of tuna...YUM.

Had trouble getting the egg beaters to work in an omelete this morning,
but it was the first time I had tried to use them anywhere. Came out quite
runny, to the point of having to switch to scrambled half way through. I
will have to do some omelette dinners when I have more time to work with
the materials.

I nuke it in the microwave. Comes out firm.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

If you feel the need to pig out, try eating a bunch of protein...fills
you up, doesn't screw up the glycogen depletion and ketosis. Do the 5
hour carbups,

I don't get these yet, if I read it right, I only get two meals a week.
But I will get to getting them.

Until you're down into Category 2, that's true, but, if you get the
overwhelming urge to pig out on carbs, go ahead. Follow the guidelines for a
carb refeed, make sure to eat A LOT of carbs...you want your weight the next
morning to be up 5-10 pounds...and then do some strenous exercise, burn off
the glycogen, and you'll back to baseline in a day or two.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

and don't worry about the weight gain: it's all glycogen and water, will
go away in a day or two, and will keep your metabolism perking along.
Don't neglect your multi vitamin/mineral supplements and the fish oil.

Urrrrp! Mmm Fishy, a coworker and I were just discussing the aftermath of
fish oil caps with b-fast.

Now Brand lemon flavored liquid fish oil works well. No fishy taste.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I was counting grams of protien this morning as I was making breakfast
and thinking that I will probably have a hard time actually eating 1g/lb
of lbm.

Yeah, I have the same experience. However, what you don't eat one day
does NOT get to be carried over until the next.

I wasn't planning on playing the savings account game. Of coursre, when/
if one gets hungry enough all kinds of rationalizing occurs. LOL Here's to
hoping that doesn't happen.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

All constructive thoughts/comments appreciated.

Only constructive? Damn, that cramps my style 🙁

In all honesty it wasn't you I was worried about, but in this group if you
aren't specific about what kind of criticism...

Actually, specifying constructive criticism is a good way to get everything
but. It's the MFW way.

David

In article <[email hidden]>,

David Cohen said:

"Ryan Case" <[email hidden]> wrote

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David Cohen said:

"Ryan Case" <[email hidden]> wrote

>Bought the e-book a week ago, started this morning.
>
>Have l-c'd before.

Remember, this is l-c AND l-f. When Lyle writes, "...and nothing else",
he's not kidding.

Yeah, I got that.

Lyle kids? When? I missed it.

Quoted message said:

>Any pointers, caveats, etc. you care to share at the begining instead of
>letting me trip on them on my own?

Find whatever fibrous veges you like, and learn to eat them as snacks.

Have you rediscoverd any veggies that a person wouldn't normally think of?
I can do brocolli for about three weeks before I will not eat rather than
eat another piece, so a variety is really a good thing.

I've been eating Clausen kosher dill pickles, radishes, brocciflower (a
hybrid), green peppers, tomatoes, jalepenos, roasted eggplant, and zucchini.

What is the carb content of raw radishes?
Their crunchiness is soul satisfying. ;-)
I know I could google it.....

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Fat free cheddar cheese is good on everything. Fat free cottage cheese is
very filling.

It seemed like there was a lot of carbs in the ff cottage cheese and ff
milk? I was surprised that they were acceptable. (not 100% sure that the
milk was acceptable, need to reread on a regular basis.)

The amount of carbs in ff cottage cheese is not enough to impact ketosis or
add a significant amount of calories. Don't know about the milk, as I don't
drink it...lactose intolerance.

What about FF yogurt?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Omelettes with Egg Beaters, fat free cheese, jalepenos, tabasco, and a
can of tuna...YUM.

Had trouble getting the egg beaters to work in an omelete this morning,
but it was the first time I had tried to use them anywhere. Came out quite
runny, to the point of having to switch to scrambled half way through. I
will have to do some omelette dinners when I have more time to work with
the materials.

I nuke it in the microwave. Comes out firm.

What about, say, 6 eggwhites and one egg yolk?
Good ol' BB standard food?

Eggbeaters are expensive (at least to this cheap scotch/jew)

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

If you feel the need to pig out, try eating a bunch of protein...fills
you up, doesn't screw up the glycogen depletion and ketosis. Do the 5
hour carbups,

I don't get these yet, if I read it right, I only get two meals a week.
But I will get to getting them.

Until you're down into Category 2, that's true, but, if you get the
overwhelming urge to pig out on carbs, go ahead. Follow the guidelines for a
carb refeed, make sure to eat A LOT of carbs...you want your weight the next
morning to be up 5-10 pounds...and then do some strenous exercise, burn off
the glycogen, and you'll back to baseline in a day or two.

Lots of bike time? ;-)

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

and don't worry about the weight gain: it's all glycogen and water, will
go away in a day or two, and will keep your metabolism perking along.
Don't neglect your multi vitamin/mineral supplements and the fish oil.

Urrrrp! Mmm Fishy, a coworker and I were just discussing the aftermath of
fish oil caps with b-fast.

Now Brand lemon flavored liquid fish oil works well. No fishy taste.

Thanks for that! Been wondering how to handle that as I just HATE fish
oil burps!

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>I was counting grams of protien this morning as I was making breakfast
>and thinking that I will probably have a hard time actually eating 1g/lb
>of lbm.

Yeah, I have the same experience. However, what you don't eat one day
does NOT get to be carried over until the next.

I wasn't planning on playing the savings account game. Of coursre, when/
if one gets hungry enough all kinds of rationalizing occurs. LOL Here's to
hoping that doesn't happen.

Quoted message said:

>All constructive thoughts/comments appreciated.

Only constructive? Damn, that cramps my style 🙁

In all honesty it wasn't you I was worried about, but in this group if you
aren't specific about what kind of criticism...

Actually, specifying constructive criticism is a good way to get everything
but. It's the MFW way.

David

True dat.

Cheers (and sorry for buttting in...)

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--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

"OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote

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David Cohen said:

"Ryan Case" <[email hidden]> wrote

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David Cohen wrote:
> "Ryan Case" <[email hidden]> wrote
>
>>Bought the e-book a week ago, started this morning.
>>
>>Have l-c'd before.
>
> Remember, this is l-c AND l-f. When Lyle writes, "...and nothing
> else",
> he's not kidding.

Yeah, I got that.

Lyle kids? When? I missed it.

>>Any pointers, caveats, etc. you care to share at the begining instead
>>of
>>letting me trip on them on my own?
>
> Find whatever fibrous veges you like, and learn to eat them as snacks.

Have you rediscoverd any veggies that a person wouldn't normally think
of?
I can do brocolli for about three weeks before I will not eat rather
than
eat another piece, so a variety is really a good thing.

I've been eating Clausen kosher dill pickles, radishes, brocciflower (a
hybrid), green peppers, tomatoes, jalepenos, roasted eggplant, and
zucchini.

What is the carb content of raw radishes?

I don't know. I don't care. One does not count carbs on the LMMPSMF. It's
allowed, or it's not. Radishes are.

Quoted message said:

Their crunchiness is soul satisfying. ;-)
I know I could google it.....

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> Fat free cheddar cheese is good on everything. Fat free cottage cheese
> is
> very filling.

It seemed like there was a lot of carbs in the ff cottage cheese and ff
milk? I was surprised that they were acceptable. (not 100% sure that
the
milk was acceptable, need to reread on a regular basis.)

The amount of carbs in ff cottage cheese is not enough to impact ketosis
or
add a significant amount of calories. Don't know about the milk, as I
don't
drink it...lactose intolerance.

What about FF yogurt?

Not allowed.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> Omelettes with Egg Beaters, fat free cheese, jalepenos, tabasco, and a
> can of tuna...YUM.

Had trouble getting the egg beaters to work in an omelete this morning,
but it was the first time I had tried to use them anywhere. Came out
quite
runny, to the point of having to switch to scrambled half way through.
I
will have to do some omelette dinners when I have more time to work
with
the materials.

I nuke it in the microwave. Comes out firm.

What about, say, 6 eggwhites and one egg yolk?

Not allowed.

Quoted message said:

Good ol' BB standard food?

Not allowed. This is NOT a "good ol' BB standard food" diet. It is the
LMMPSMF.

Quoted message said:

Eggbeaters are expensive (at least to this cheap scotch/jew)

Then don't eat them. There are other lean protein sources.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> If you feel the need to pig out, try eating a bunch of protein...fills
> you up, doesn't screw up the glycogen depletion and ketosis. Do the 5
> hour carbups,

I don't get these yet, if I read it right, I only get two meals a week.
But I will get to getting them.

Until you're down into Category 2, that's true, but, if you get the
overwhelming urge to pig out on carbs, go ahead. Follow the guidelines
for a
carb refeed, make sure to eat A LOT of carbs...you want your weight the
next
morning to be up 5-10 pounds...and then do some strenous exercise, burn
off
the glycogen, and you'll back to baseline in a day or two.

Lots of bike time? ;-)

Mountain hiking.

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Quoted message said:

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> and don't worry about the weight gain: it's all glycogen and water,
> will
> go away in a day or two, and will keep your metabolism perking along.
> Don't neglect your multi vitamin/mineral supplements and the fish oil.

Urrrrp! Mmm Fishy, a coworker and I were just discussing the aftermath
of
fish oil caps with b-fast.

Now Brand lemon flavored liquid fish oil works well. No fishy taste.

Thanks for that! Been wondering how to handle that as I just HATE fish
oil burps!

Butch up.

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>>I was counting grams of protien this morning as I was making breakfast
>>and thinking that I will probably have a hard time actually eating
>>1g/lb
>>of lbm.
>
> Yeah, I have the same experience. However, what you don't eat one day
> does NOT get to be carried over until the next.

I wasn't planning on playing the savings account game. Of coursre,
when/
if one gets hungry enough all kinds of rationalizing occurs. LOL Here's
to
hoping that doesn't happen.

>>All constructive thoughts/comments appreciated.
>
> Only constructive? Damn, that cramps my style 🙁

In all honesty it wasn't you I was worried about, but in this group if
you
aren't specific about what kind of criticism...

Actually, specifying constructive criticism is a good way to get
everything
but. It's the MFW way.

True dat.

Cheers (and sorry for buttting in...)

You buy the next round.

David

"OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote

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David Cohen said:

"OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

"David Cohen" <[email hidden]> wrote:
> "Ryan Case" <[email hidden]> wrote
> > David Cohen wrote:
> >> "Ryan Case" <[email hidden]> wrote
> >>
> >>>Bought the e-book a week ago, started this morning.
> >>>
> >>>Have l-c'd before.
> >>
> >> Remember, this is l-c AND l-f. When Lyle writes, "...and nothing
> >> else",
> >> he's not kidding.
> >
> > Yeah, I got that.
> >
> > Lyle kids? When? I missed it.
> >
> >>>Any pointers, caveats, etc. you care to share at the begining
> >>>instead
> >>>of
> >>>letting me trip on them on my own?
> >>
> >> Find whatever fibrous veges you like, and learn to eat them as
> >> snacks.
> >
> > Have you rediscoverd any veggies that a person wouldn't normally
> > think
> > of?
> > I can do brocolli for about three weeks before I will not eat rather
> > than
> > eat another piece, so a variety is really a good thing.
>
> I've been eating Clausen kosher dill pickles, radishes, brocciflower
> (a
> hybrid), green peppers, tomatoes, jalepenos, roasted eggplant, and
> zucchini.

What is the carb content of raw radishes?

I don't know. I don't care. One does not count carbs on the LMMPSMF. It's
allowed, or it's not. Radishes are.

Got it. ;-)
Just tossed 6 raw radishes in with the two chicken breasts for tonights
two meals at work.

It's crunchier than spinach.

Anything is better than spinach.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Their crunchiness is soul satisfying. ;-)
I know I could google it.....

> >
> >> Fat free cheddar cheese is good on everything. Fat free cottage
> >> cheese
> >> is
> >> very filling.

Fat free cottage cheese is gross. :-P
I'll eat more chicken.

FF cottage cheese is more filling than chicken.

It is somewhat gross, however. Which is another reason you should butch up.

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> > It seemed like there was a lot of carbs in the ff cottage cheese and
> > ff
> > milk? I was surprised that they were acceptable. (not 100% sure that
> > the
> > milk was acceptable, need to reread on a regular basis.)
>
> The amount of carbs in ff cottage cheese is not enough to impact
> ketosis
> or
> add a significant amount of calories. Don't know about the milk, as I
> don't
> drink it...lactose intolerance.

What about FF yogurt?

Not allowed.

That's odd.
The carb content of FF yogurt is similar to that of cottage cheese if
it's plain, no additives.

Plain yogurt is grosser than spinach. I feed it to the dog, but she eats
bird [censored], so, what does she know.

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> >> Omelettes with Egg Beaters, fat free cheese, jalepenos, tabasco,
> >> and a
> >> can of tuna...YUM.
> >
> > Had trouble getting the egg beaters to work in an omelete this
> > morning,
> > but it was the first time I had tried to use them anywhere. Came out
> > quite
> > runny, to the point of having to switch to scrambled half way
> > through.
> > I
> > will have to do some omelette dinners when I have more time to work
> > with
> > the materials.
>
> I nuke it in the microwave. Comes out firm.

What about, say, 6 eggwhites and one egg yolk?

Not allowed.

No yolks, or no eggs period?

No yolks.

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Good ol' BB standard food?

Not allowed. This is NOT a "good ol' BB standard food" diet. It is the
LMMPSMF.

Got it.

(and the book has been ordered from Amazon.com)

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Eggbeaters are expensive (at least to this cheap scotch/jew)

Then don't eat them. There are other lean protein sources.

True dat. ;-)

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> >> If you feel the need to pig out, try eating a bunch of
> >> protein...fills
> >> you up, doesn't screw up the glycogen depletion and ketosis. Do the
> >> 5
> >> hour carbups,
> >
> > I don't get these yet, if I read it right, I only get two meals a
> > week.
> > But I will get to getting them.
>
> Until you're down into Category 2, that's true, but, if you get the
> overwhelming urge to pig out on carbs, go ahead. Follow the guidelines
> for a
> carb refeed, make sure to eat A LOT of carbs...you want your weight
> the
> next
> morning to be up 5-10 pounds...and then do some strenous exercise,
> burn
> off
> the glycogen, and you'll back to baseline in a day or two.

Lots of bike time? ;-)

Mountain hiking.

Not around here. :-(
All the land is posted.

Reason Number 38 Why Nevada Is Better Than Massechusetts (and the East).

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> >> and don't worry about the weight gain: it's all glycogen and water,
> >> will
> >> go away in a day or two, and will keep your metabolism perking
> >> along.
> >> Don't neglect your multi vitamin/mineral supplements and the fish
> >> oil.
> >
> > Urrrrp! Mmm Fishy, a coworker and I were just discussing the
> > aftermath
> > of
> > fish oil caps with b-fast.
>
> Now Brand lemon flavored liquid fish oil works well. No fishy taste.

Thanks for that! Been wondering how to handle that as I just HATE fish
oil burps!

Butch up.

Bleah.
I'll just eat them before going to bed for the day, just like I do the
Vanachol. It also burps nasty.
That way I get to sleep thru it.

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> >>>I was counting grams of protien this morning as I was making
> >>>breakfast
> >>>and thinking that I will probably have a hard time actually eating
> >>>1g/lb
> >>>of lbm.
> >>
> >> Yeah, I have the same experience. However, what you don't eat one
> >> day
> >> does NOT get to be carried over until the next.
> >
> > I wasn't planning on playing the savings account game. Of coursre,
> > when/
> > if one gets hungry enough all kinds of rationalizing occurs. LOL
> > Here's
> > to
> > hoping that doesn't happen.
> >
> >>>All constructive thoughts/comments appreciated.
> >>
> >> Only constructive? Damn, that cramps my style 🙁
> >
> > In all honesty it wasn't you I was worried about, but in this group
> > if
> > you
> > aren't specific about what kind of criticism...
>
> Actually, specifying constructive criticism is a good way to get
> everything
> but. It's the MFW way.

True dat.

Cheers (and sorry for buttting in...)

You buy the next round.

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Soon's I read the book. ;-)
I'm sick of high fat. I'm ready for this kind of change!

Oh, this is "change" for sure.

David

"OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote

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David Cohen said:

"OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

"David Cohen" <[email hidden]> wrote:
> "Ryan Case" <[email hidden]> wrote
> > David Cohen wrote:
> >> "Ryan Case" <[email hidden]> wrote
> >>
> >>>Bought the e-book a week ago, started this morning.
> >>>
> >>>Have l-c'd before.
> >>
> >> Remember, this is l-c AND l-f. When Lyle writes, "...and nothing
> >> else",
> >> he's not kidding.
> >
> > Yeah, I got that.
> >
> > Lyle kids? When? I missed it.
> >
> >>>Any pointers, caveats, etc. you care to share at the begining
> >>>instead
> >>>of
> >>>letting me trip on them on my own?
> >>
> >> Find whatever fibrous veges you like, and learn to eat them as
> >> snacks.
> >
> > Have you rediscoverd any veggies that a person wouldn't normally
> > think
> > of?
> > I can do brocolli for about three weeks before I will not eat rather
> > than
> > eat another piece, so a variety is really a good thing.
>
> I've been eating Clausen kosher dill pickles, radishes, brocciflower
> (a
> hybrid), green peppers, tomatoes, jalepenos, roasted eggplant, and
> zucchini.

What is the carb content of raw radishes?

I don't know. I don't care. One does not count carbs on the LMMPSMF. It's
allowed, or it's not. Radishes are.

Got it. ;-)
Just tossed 6 raw radishes in with the two chicken breasts for tonights
two meals at work.

It's crunchier than spinach.

Anything is better than spinach.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Their crunchiness is soul satisfying. ;-)
I know I could google it.....

> >
> >> Fat free cheddar cheese is good on everything. Fat free cottage
> >> cheese
> >> is
> >> very filling.

Fat free cottage cheese is gross. :-P
I'll eat more chicken.

FF cottage cheese is more filling than chicken.

It is somewhat gross, however. Which is another reason you should butch up.

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> > It seemed like there was a lot of carbs in the ff cottage cheese and
> > ff
> > milk? I was surprised that they were acceptable. (not 100% sure that
> > the
> > milk was acceptable, need to reread on a regular basis.)
>
> The amount of carbs in ff cottage cheese is not enough to impact
> ketosis
> or
> add a significant amount of calories. Don't know about the milk, as I
> don't
> drink it...lactose intolerance.

What about FF yogurt?

Not allowed.

That's odd.
The carb content of FF yogurt is similar to that of cottage cheese if
it's plain, no additives.

Plain yogurt is grosser than spinach. I feed it to the dog, but she eats
bird [censored], so, what does she know.

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> >> Omelettes with Egg Beaters, fat free cheese, jalepenos, tabasco,
> >> and a
> >> can of tuna...YUM.
> >
> > Had trouble getting the egg beaters to work in an omelete this
> > morning,
> > but it was the first time I had tried to use them anywhere. Came out
> > quite
> > runny, to the point of having to switch to scrambled half way
> > through.
> > I
> > will have to do some omelette dinners when I have more time to work
> > with
> > the materials.
>
> I nuke it in the microwave. Comes out firm.

What about, say, 6 eggwhites and one egg yolk?

Not allowed.

No yolks, or no eggs period?

No yolks.

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Good ol' BB standard food?

Not allowed. This is NOT a "good ol' BB standard food" diet. It is the
LMMPSMF.

Got it.

(and the book has been ordered from Amazon.com)

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Eggbeaters are expensive (at least to this cheap scotch/jew)

Then don't eat them. There are other lean protein sources.

True dat. ;-)

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> >> If you feel the need to pig out, try eating a bunch of
> >> protein...fills
> >> you up, doesn't screw up the glycogen depletion and ketosis. Do the
> >> 5
> >> hour carbups,
> >
> > I don't get these yet, if I read it right, I only get two meals a
> > week.
> > But I will get to getting them.
>
> Until you're down into Category 2, that's true, but, if you get the
> overwhelming urge to pig out on carbs, go ahead. Follow the guidelines
> for a
> carb refeed, make sure to eat A LOT of carbs...you want your weight
> the
> next
> morning to be up 5-10 pounds...and then do some strenous exercise,
> burn
> off
> the glycogen, and you'll back to baseline in a day or two.

Lots of bike time? ;-)

Mountain hiking.

Not around here. :-(
All the land is posted.

Reason Number 38 Why Nevada Is Better Than Massechusetts (and the East).

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> >> and don't worry about the weight gain: it's all glycogen and water,
> >> will
> >> go away in a day or two, and will keep your metabolism perking
> >> along.
> >> Don't neglect your multi vitamin/mineral supplements and the fish
> >> oil.
> >
> > Urrrrp! Mmm Fishy, a coworker and I were just discussing the
> > aftermath
> > of
> > fish oil caps with b-fast.
>
> Now Brand lemon flavored liquid fish oil works well. No fishy taste.

Thanks for that! Been wondering how to handle that as I just HATE fish
oil burps!

Butch up.

Bleah.
I'll just eat them before going to bed for the day, just like I do the
Vanachol. It also burps nasty.
That way I get to sleep thru it.

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> >>>I was counting grams of protien this morning as I was making
> >>>breakfast
> >>>and thinking that I will probably have a hard time actually eating
> >>>1g/lb
> >>>of lbm.
> >>
> >> Yeah, I have the same experience. However, what you don't eat one
> >> day
> >> does NOT get to be carried over until the next.
> >
> > I wasn't planning on playing the savings account game. Of coursre,
> > when/
> > if one gets hungry enough all kinds of rationalizing occurs. LOL
> > Here's
> > to
> > hoping that doesn't happen.
> >
> >>>All constructive thoughts/comments appreciated.
> >>
> >> Only constructive? Damn, that cramps my style 🙁
> >
> > In all honesty it wasn't you I was worried about, but in this group
> > if
> > you
> > aren't specific about what kind of criticism...
>
> Actually, specifying constructive criticism is a good way to get
> everything
> but. It's the MFW way.

True dat.

Cheers (and sorry for buttting in...)

You buy the next round.

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Soon's I read the book. ;-)
I'm sick of high fat. I'm ready for this kind of change!

Oh, this is "change" for sure.

David

David Cohen said:

Anything is better than spinach.

Don't cook it so long, and grate a bit of nutmeg over the top.

Peter

Ryan Case wrote:

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It seemed like there was a lot of carbs in the ff cottage cheese and ff
milk? I was surprised that they were acceptable. (not 100% sure that the
milk was acceptable, need to reread on a regular basis.)

I remember reading somewhere to rinse the cottage cheese, since all
(or at least most of) the carbs were in the liquid.

The easy way to do this is to buy a big fine-meshed strainer, dump the
cottage cheese in, and hold it under the running water in the sink.

If you do this, you will notice that the left over curds are MUCH less
sweet (better or worse is a matter of taste I guess, I find the
consistency better at least ...)

The http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/cgi-bin/list_nut_edit.pl
food database lists the following (per 100 grams each)

(Database didn't have 0 fat creamed)
Cheese, cottage, lowfat, 1% milkfat:
Protein g 12.39
Total lipid (fat) g 1.02
Carbohydrate, by difference g 2.72
Fiber, total dietary g 0.0
Sugars, total g 2.72

(I'm guessing that this is the rinsed version)
Cheese, cottage, nonfat, uncreamed, dry, large or small curd:
Protein g 17.27
Total lipid (fat) g 0.42
Carbohydrate, by difference g 1.85
Fiber, total dietary g 0.0
Sugars, total g 1.85

Martin

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I wasn't planning on playing the savings account game. Of coursre, when/
if one gets hungry enough all kinds of rationalizing occurs. LOL Here's
to hoping that doesn't happen.

Hopefully you won't get hungry. I was amazed how my appetite
disappeared on psmf. Hunger is not the problem - living another day on
that damned diet is the problem - usually kicks in after 2 weeks.

Ray

rmr said:

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I wasn't planning on playing the savings account game. Of coursre, when/
if one gets hungry enough all kinds of rationalizing occurs. LOL Here's
to hoping that doesn't happen.

Hopefully you won't get hungry. I was amazed how my appetite
disappeared on psmf. Hunger is not the problem - living another day on
that damned diet is the problem - usually kicks in after 2 weeks.

Ray

Too late. Hungry right now. Forgot to throw some brocolli in the
omelette this morning, so there wasn't much fiber in my breakfast. That
was six hours ago.

Lunch is only 45 minutes away. If I down about a quart of water that
usually keeps me from nawing on the desk.

I do have to say that my hunger usually decreases over time on a l-c
diet. I hope that holds true for this kind.

Ryan

Ryan Case said:

rmr said:

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I wasn't planning on playing the savings account game. Of coursre,
when/ if one gets hungry enough all kinds of rationalizing occurs.
LOL Here's to hoping that doesn't happen.

Hopefully you won't get hungry. I was amazed how my appetite
disappeared on psmf. Hunger is not the problem - living another day on
that damned diet is the problem - usually kicks in after 2 weeks.

Ray

Too late. Hungry right now. Forgot to throw some brocolli in the
omelette this morning, so there wasn't much fiber in my breakfast. That
was six hours ago.

Lunch is only 45 minutes away. If I down about a quart of water that
usually keeps me from nawing on the desk.

I do have to say that my hunger usually decreases over time on a l-c
diet. I hope that holds true for this kind.

Ryan

Definately not hungry now. Had a nice big piece of cod on the grill with
Tapatio, pepper, garlic and cilantro for dinner. And an entire can of
string beans, and a big spinach salad. Soy sauce makes for a decent
quick salad dressing.

Sitting at around 900kcals for the day and wondering if I will eat
anything else. Maybe a little rinsed ff cottage cheese when I get back
from the gym.

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Ryan

Ryan Case said:

Tapatio, pepper, garlic and cilantro for dinner. And an entire can of
string beans, and a big spinach salad. Soy sauce makes for a decent
quick salad dressing.

Sitting at around 900kcals for the day and wondering if I will eat
anything else. Maybe a little rinsed ff cottage cheese when I get back
from the gym.

You are a sick boy.
TBR

"As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and
more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day
the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the
White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
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but George W. Bush has managed to overcome that presumption."

Ryan Case said:

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P.S. You are a fat slob too!
TBR

"As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and
more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day
the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the
White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
"Anyone with degrees from Yale and Harvard is presumed to be intelligent,
but George W. Bush has managed to overcome that presumption."