OK, during preparation for the '99 TdF and using it as a measure of fitness, you-know-who supposedly set the (unofficial) record for climbing the "Madone" outside of Nice (hence the bike name).
Now the rumor (from reasonably reliable sources - a friend of a friend, etc.) is that there is another pro rider who, at some recent time, has broken that existing record (again only unofficially).
This rider is presently a particpant in the Vuelta. Anyone have any more information on this (fact or gossip)?
OK, during preparation for the '99 TdF and using it as a measure of fitness, you-know-who supposedly set the (unofficial) record for climbing the "Madone" outside of Nice (hence the bike name).
Now the rumor (from reasonably reliable sources - a friend of a friend, etc.) is that there is another pro rider who, at some recent time, has broken that existing record (again only unofficially).
This rider is presently a particpant in the Vuelta. Anyone have any more information on this (fact or gossip)?
DR
I've heard similar news on TD. From people who know people, apparently TD's climbing skills dwarf pretty much everyone else out there. His power to weight ratio is a good step above Lance's. His issue, so I hear, is that he has a hard time getting there. Apparently when most people are able to 'rest' on the long run-ins to the climbs, he's working his body hard enough that he can't show what he can do on the climbs. Rumor has it he would destroy the field in a uphill tt. We'll see.
OK, during preparation for the '99 TdF and using it as a measure of fitness, you-know-who supposedly set the (unofficial) record for climbing the "Madone" outside of Nice (hence the bike name).
Now the rumor (from reasonably reliable sources - a friend of a friend, etc.) is that there is another pro rider who, at some recent time, has broken that existing record (again only unofficially).
This rider is presently a particpant in the Vuelta. Anyone have any more information on this (fact or gossip)?
DR
I've heard similar news on TD. From people who know people, apparently TD's climbing skills dwarf pretty much everyone else out there. His power to weight ratio is a good step above Lance's. His issue, so I hear, is that he has a hard time getting there. Apparently when most people are able to 'rest' on the long run-ins to the climbs, he's working his body hard enough that he can't show what he can do on the climbs. Rumor has it he would destroy the field in a uphill tt. We'll see.
There was some classic stuff on TD written by Decanio on Stolen Underground. He incessantly called out TD for his prepping with the assistance of Crawford. Anyone archive any of Decanio's rants? -DA74
I've heard similar news on TD. From people who know people, apparently TD's climbing skills dwarf pretty much everyone else out there. His power to weight ratio is a good step above Lance's. His issue, so I hear, is that he has a hard time getting there. Apparently when most people are able to 'rest' on the long run-ins to the climbs, he's working his body hard enough that he can't show what he can do on the climbs. Rumor has it he would destroy the field in a uphill tt. We'll see.
I don't get this. He can't figure out how to ride in a draft?
If that's his issue then that's a pretty significant issue. And it rules out his winning pretty much anything. But I'm skeptical. That seems really bizarre.
OK, during preparation for the '99 TdF and using it as a measure of fitness, you-know-who supposedly set the (unofficial) record for climbing the "Madone" outside of Nice (hence the bike name).
Now the rumor (from reasonably reliable sources - a friend of a friend, etc.) is that there is another pro rider who, at some recent time, has broken that existing record (again only unofficially).
This rider is presently a particpant in the Vuelta. Anyone have any more information on this (fact or gossip)?
DR
I've heard similar news on TD. From people who know people, apparently TD's climbing skills dwarf pretty much everyone else out there. His power to weight ratio is a good step above Lance's. His issue, so I hear, is that he has a hard time getting there. Apparently when most people are able to 'rest' on the long run-ins to the climbs, he's working his body hard enough that he can't show what he can do on the climbs. Rumor has it he would destroy the field in a uphill tt. We'll see.
There was some classic stuff on TD written by Decanio on Stolen Underground. He incessantly called out TD for his prepping with the assistance of Crawford. Anyone archive any of Decanio's rants? -DA74
You can find them on the wayback machine unless a site has blocked storage. Usually find several archived copies there, keep trying and one usually works..
"RoadRumors" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...
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OK, during preparation for the '99 TdF and using it as a measure of fitness, you-know-who supposedly set the (unofficial) record for climbing the "Madone" outside of Nice (hence the bike name).
Now the rumor (from reasonably reliable sources - a friend of a friend, etc.) is that there is another pro rider who, at some recent time, has broken that existing record (again only unofficially).
This rider is presently a particpant in the Vuelta. Anyone have any more information on this (fact or gossip)?
DR
There have been reports of recent Doughboy sightings near Nice.
On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 06:19:00 -0000, Bob Schwartz <[email hidden]>
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I don't get this. He can't figure out how to ride in a draft?
If that's his issue then that's a pretty significant issue. And it rules out his winning pretty much anything. But I'm skeptical. That seems really bizarre.
It's not that strange. It's easy to draft in training, or in races where you're familiar with what's going on. But the bigger, more intense the race the harder it is to get the best protection. You see it all the time, even in local races -- guys who sit on the edge of the field because they're nervous. Or who don't ride close enough. They're at a disadvantage to other riders who are drafting better.
JT
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It's not that strange. It's easy to draft in training, or in races where you're familiar with what's going on. But the bigger, more intense the race the harder it is to get the best protection. You see it all the time, even in local races -- guys who sit on the edge of the field because they're nervous. Or who don't ride close enough. They're at a disadvantage to other riders who are drafting better.
If you are really bad, however, you can ride in the middle and everyone gives you plenty of room. I don't know what they would have done if I were still up there on lap two, but I never found out...
Curtis L. Russell Odenton, MD (USA) Just someone on two wheels...
It's not that strange. It's easy to draft in training, or in races where you're familiar with what's going on. But the bigger, more intense the race the harder it is to get the best protection. You see it all the time, even in local races -- guys who sit on the edge of the field because they're nervous. Or who don't ride close enough. They're at a disadvantage to other riders who are drafting better.
Curtis L. Russell said:
If you are really bad, however, you can ride in the middle and everyone gives you plenty of room. I don't know what they would have done if I were still up there on lap two, but I never found out...
On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 06:19:00 -0000, Bob Schwartz <[email hidden]> wrote:
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I don't get this. He can't figure out how to ride in a draft?
If that's his issue then that's a pretty significant issue. And it rules out his winning pretty much anything. But I'm skeptical. That seems really bizarre.
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It's not that strange. It's easy to draft in training, or in races where you're familiar with what's going on. But the bigger, more intense the race the harder it is to get the best protection. You see it all the time, even in local races -- guys who sit on the edge of the field because they're nervous. Or who don't ride close enough. They're at a disadvantage to other riders who are drafting better.
Oh sure, I've seen that. I've just never seen it in a rider that has had several years as a pro to get over it. That's bizarre. I guess it would explain why someone who is supposedly so talented as a climber has yet to win a race where the big dogs show up.
I'm always inclined to pronounce it as an Italian word, but that's probably not right for the French col that it is. Do you suppose it would be pronounced differently if it were Madonne?
I'm always inclined to pronounce it as an Italian word, but that's probably not right for the French col that it is. Do you suppose it would be pronounced differently if it were Madonne?
Possibly, but the French have little compunction about changing the spelling of names to suit themselves, e.g., Londres, Warsovie, Californie, or Nouvelle Mexique.
I'm always inclined to pronounce it as an Italian word, but that's probably not right for the French col that it is. Do you suppose it would be pronounced differently if it were Madonne?
Possibly, but the French have little compunction about changing the spelling of names to suit themselves, e.g., Londres, Warsovie, Californie, or Nouvelle Mexique.
Everyone does that - the English speakers have Rome, Turin, Florence, Brunswick, Hamelin, Moscow ...
"Andrew F Martin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...
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RoadRumors said:
OK, during preparation for the '99 TdF and using it as a measure of fitness, you-know-who supposedly set the (unofficial) record for climbing the "Madone" outside of Nice (hence the bike name).
Now the rumor (from reasonably reliable sources - a friend of a friend, etc.) is that there is another pro rider who, at some recent time, has broken that existing record (again only unofficially).
This rider is presently a particpant in the Vuelta. Anyone have any more information on this (fact or gossip)?
DR
I've heard similar news on TD. From people who know people, apparently TD's climbing skills dwarf pretty much everyone else out there. His power to weight ratio is a good step above Lance's. His issue, so I hear, is that he has a hard time getting there. Apparently when most people are able to 'rest' on the long run-ins to the climbs, he's working his body hard enough that he can't show what he can do on the climbs. Rumor has it he would destroy the field in a uphill tt. We'll see.
With that talent, Danielson can accumulate the best virtual palmares ever. This Vuelta, he will probably be Actually The Strongest.
I'm always inclined to pronounce it as an Italian word, but that's probably not right for the French col that it is. Do you suppose it would be pronounced differently if it were Madonne?
Possibly, but the French have little compunction about changing the spelling of names to suit themselves, e.g., Londres, Warsovie, Californie, or Nouvelle Mexique.
Well, unlike with English, they have an official academy that decides these things, so somebody could look it up. In English we just have the OED 🙂
