chain cleaning

Well it sounds as though you want to clean the chain on the bike? I
would recommend something along the lines of simple green and a brush
of some sort. Spray it on wait a minute or two, brush it, rinse and
repeat a few times.

Ken M

I just can't understand these people who are so frigging obsessed about
cleaning their chain!! Just wipe the damned thing off with a rag
soaked in paint thinner and then oil it with good old motor oil. It's
only a chain!!

TomCAt <[email hidden]> wrote: > what product cleans the chain of a
bicycle the easiest and without doing any > harm to the rest of the
bicycle.

This isn't a substitute for cleaning, but in my experience it's a good
thing if your chain doesn't get so dirty in the first place. I spray my
chain every two or three weeks with STP silicone spray lubricant, which I
purchase (Heresy Alert!) from a local auto parts store.

Bill

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"it's a good thing if your chain doesn't get so dirty in the first
place."

Yes, I like to hermetically seal my bicycle and then view it through
the glass walls of its enclosure. It stays just like new that way!

Good point but a bit of care keeps the chain and drivetrain in better
working order.

Ken

TomCAt said:

what product cleans the chain of a bicycle the easiest and without doing any
harm to the rest of the bicycle.

A rag.

TomCAt said:

what product cleans the chain of a bicycle the easiest and without doing any
harm to the rest of the bicycle.

The orange based degreasers seem to work pretty well, that and the park
scrubbing brush, once it's pretty clean (don't forget the sprockets and
chainring), simply rinse off the whole bike with water, check for chain
stretch (12 full links should be 12" if it exceeds that by 1/16th inch
or more, it's worn out, replace the chain, ASAP. Then use a good bike
chain lube, or motorcycle chain lube, apply to the inside bottom of the
chain, not the top.

Good things to check while your at it, brake pads, cable adjustments,
deraileur operation, and paint nicks and scratches. If you have paint
issues, visit an automotive supply store, they often have dozens of
colours to choose from. Fix up those nicks and scratches.....

One more thing, check the tire pressure, top up the tires while your at
it.

There are ways to super clean a chain, by removing it and soaking it in
degreaser, then soaking in hot wax instead of using chain lube, unless
your bike uses a special super expensive chain, it's usually not worth
the time and effort, just give it regular maintenance every week or two,
and when it wears out, toss it.

It's one of the nice things about bikes, you can do a lot of your own
maintenance, and keep a bike going for many years, there are a couple of
things that require special knowledge or expensive tools, but those can
be left to your LBS.

A couple of good links:

www.sheldonbrown.com
www.jimlangley.net

W

But you forgot to address the questions of which brand of paint thinner
leaves the least residue, exactly how much paint thinner to put on the
rag, how big and what type of rag to use, how do you prevent lint from
the rag from getting on the chain, what brand and weight of oil to use,
whether it should be detergent or non-detergent oil, exactly how many
drops of oil I should put on the chain, what to do if some of the oil
gets on the frame, and doesn't the oil attract more dirt? These are
very important questions and they are very troubling to me. Please
discuss all of them in stupifying detail. Thank you.

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Quoted message said:

what product cleans the chain of a bicycle the easiest and without doing
any harm to the rest of the bicycle.

What matters is that you flush the grit out. I find it much easier and more
effective just to use SRAM chains with their PowerLinks, so it's a snap to
remove the chain and drop it in a jar of paint thinner (which can be re-used
indefinitely). Shake it around, rinse it off, dry it, put it back on the
bike, lube it with something light that doesn't sludge up, like ProLink.

If you don't flush the grit out, the chain will wear faster and cause
premature wear of the cogs.

There are people who advocate simply putting a new chain on every 1000
miles, but they don't ride 5000+ miles a year, I don't think.

There are other people who keep the same chain indefinitely, don't worry
much about cleaning, and then just replace both the chain and the cassette
when they become too worn to use. I rode a guy's bike once who followed that
strategy, and its performance was less than stellar. I suppose it was
acceptable for low-speed riding around town. I ride a lot harder than he
did, for longer distances. He was lucky I didn't break his chain.

RichC

Quoted message said:

I just can't understand these people who are so frigging obsessed about
cleaning their chain!! Just wipe the damned thing off with a rag
soaked in paint thinner and then oil it with good old motor oil. It's
only a chain!!

I, for one, would like to delay the inevitable purchase of a $60 cassette,
$50 chainrings, and $20 chain as long as possible.

YMMV,

Chris Neary
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"When lies become incredibly obvious, that's when people
hold on to them most desparately" - Mick LaSalle

Aye I agree with you! I personally use generic type chains, whatever is
on special, and the KMC missing links, I take the chains off every 500
miles or so and do the simple green in the bottom of a small plastic
bucket thing. Just slosh the stuff around let it sit, slosh more,
remove, rinse, re-install, re-lube and ride. I find I get about 1500
miles out of the generic chains.

Ken

Quoted message said:

"it's a good thing if your chain doesn't get so dirty in the first
place."

Yes, I like to hermetically seal my bicycle and then view it through
the glass walls of its enclosure. It stays just like new that way!

Hahah...that's right, if you ride it it gets dirty. Just keep it indoors
and it stays clean forever!

Rich Clark said:

"TomCAt" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

what product cleans the chain of a bicycle the easiest and without doing
any harm to the rest of the bicycle.

What matters is that you flush the grit out. I find it much easier and more
effective just to use SRAM chains with their PowerLinks, so it's a snap to
remove the chain and drop it in a jar of paint thinner (which can be re-used
indefinitely). Shake it around, rinse it off, dry it, put it back on the
bike, lube it with something light that doesn't sludge up, like ProLink.

If you don't flush the grit out, the chain will wear faster and cause
premature wear of the cogs.

A worn chain will wear sprockets. The question of whether cleaning
extends chain life is controversial. Someone on the NG did an experiment
which seemed to indicate that cleaning chains did not make them last
longer. AFAIK, no one has repeated the experiment or proved the case for
chain cleaning. I don't bother anymore. I haven't noticed any drastic
changes.

<[email hidden]> wrote: (clip) These are very important questions and
they are very troubling to me. Please discuss all of them in stupifying
detail. Thank you.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Yes, but don't you think it would be good to start a separate group for
this? And while we're at it, how about a separate group for riding on
sidewalk discussions.

Well, I think, that for how long it takes to clean a chain, it is
better to keep it clean and possibly extend the life of your drivetrain
as a whole. I have riden bikes that have not been cleaned and
maintained and when I get back on my bike I NOTICE the difference.

Ken

Pretty simple. Get a rag. Get some Simple Green and maybe a brush.
Go to it.

Lube lightly afterwards.

Ken M said:

Well, I think, that for how long it takes to clean a chain, it is
better to keep it clean and possibly extend the life of your drivetrain
as a whole. I have riden bikes that have not been cleaned and
maintained and when I get back on my bike I NOTICE the difference.

Interesting, but certainly you''re not putting a whole lot of stock in
that comparison, right? Are they identical bikes, with identical
components, with identical mileage on /all/ of the components, ridden
the same way, under the same conditions, by the same rider -- the only
variable being chain cleaning?

In other words, while I wouldn't stand in the way of your right to
believe this . . . it may or may not bear closer scrutiny ;-)

I've tried the Park chain cleaner tool and it does a reasonably good
job. The only problem I find is that it sprays the frame with the
cleaner. As a good side effect it does clean the cogs and the
chainring, which you must wipe down.

Claude

Quoted message said:

Yes, I like to hermetically seal my bicycle and then view it through
the glass walls of its enclosure. It stays just like new that way!

Actually, I was trying to make the point that silicone is less prone to
attract dirt than most kinds of oil.
Athough when I'm not riding, I do keep my bike in a hermetically sealed
glass case, but doesn't everybody?

Bill

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