Got new Lights!

Not that it matters, it's your money and eBay is an epitome of
capitalism (like WalMart) but after you included shipping for both
separate units, did you save much money over just buying them from your
local bike shop?

Cateye makes great stuff.

david boise ID

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Not that it matters, it's your money and eBay is an epitome of
capitalism (like WalMart) but after you included shipping for both
separate units, did you save much money over just buying them from your
local bike shop?

Cateye makes great stuff.

david boise ID

eBay is the pits and I would never buy anything from those thieves. Some
local bike shops are not much better, but that is the way to go if and when
you can find a local bike shop that is not into thievery. Frankly, I like to
buy things from Bike Nashbar and Performance if when things are on sale
there. But you are certainly right about the cost of shipping these days.

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

PS. Thieves are everywhere. Beware!

PS2. Wal-Mart is the greatest thing that has ever happened to America. Hells
Bells, if you can't buy it at Wal-Mart, you don't need it.

On Wed, 17 Aug 2005 23:24:01 -0500, "Edward Dolan" <[email hidden]>

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Not that it matters, it's your money and eBay is an epitome of
capitalism (like WalMart) but after you included shipping for both
separate units, did you save much money over just buying them from your
local bike shop?

Cateye makes great stuff.

david boise ID

I'll admit that I failed to check price at my LBS. Including shipping
I saved about 25% over any on line price a quick google search
revealed for the Head/Tail light combo, and this was before any
shipping charges from the sellers. The two units were sold as a set &
only one shipping charge applied.

I got the second EL-500 from a different vendor for $32 including the
shipping, the best price a cursory search showed was around $45 befoe
shipping.

I did buy my previous lights from the LBS, & will be giving them some
more business tomorrow as I prepare for my two week 700 mile solo tour
beginning Saturday.

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eBay is the pits and I would never buy anything from those thieves. Some
local bike shops are not much better, but that is the way to go if and when
you can find a local bike shop that is not into thievery. Frankly, I like to
buy things from Bike Nashbar and Performance if when things are on sale
there. But you are certainly right about the cost of shipping these days.

E-bay has good and bad sellers, much like the rest of the world. The
biggest problem (IMNSHO) with ebay is that if an item is a good seller
it goes for the most anyone will pay. So you do have to educate
yourself in order to avoid getting burned.

Just yesterday I bought an accoustic guitar on ebay. I own the
identical model and year of guitar already and really like it. Plus
the seller had a buy-it-now of $300 and just last month I saw the same
model (even from the exact same year) go for $710. Plus the one I
lucked into yesterday has the original hardshell case with the company
logo metal plate still attached, a nice bonus in a 31 year old
instrument.

Quoted message said:

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

PS. Thieves are everywhere. Beware!

A while back the post office was selling 'stamps of the century', a
different set for each decade of the 1900's. The set for the 1930's
included one with an image of Superman. I saw these sets going for
double price *plus* shipping while they were still available over the
counter at every post office everywhere. And people were snapping them
up.

You have to educate yourself.

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PS2. Wal-Mart is the greatest thing that has ever happened to America. Hells
Bells, if you can't buy it at Wal-Mart, you don't need it.

Wall-Mart sells no light anywhere near as nice s the new EL-500
Cateye. At least not the last time I looked.

Indiana Mike

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

PS2. Wal-Mart is the greatest thing that has ever happened to America.
Hells
Bells, if you can't buy it at Wal-Mart, you don't need it.

Wall-Mart sells no light anywhere near as nice s the new EL-500
Cateye. At least not the last time I looked.

Indiana Mike

Mike, I must admit that I hate to shop for ANYTHING anymore. I go out to
Wal-Mart (the big bazaar) and if I can't find what I want there, then I
conclude that I don't need it.

As for lights, all you really need if you stay in town are the kind of
lights that will allow you to be legal and that will let others see you.
Street lights these days are so good that you can see just fine without any
lights at all. I remember growing up back in the 1940s when the town was
really dark at night. No more! These new amber style street lights are
almost as good as daylight.

Regards,

Ed Dolan - Minnesota

On Thu, 25 Aug 2005 23:35:36 -0500, "Edward Dolan" <[email hidden]>

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As for lights, all you really need if you stay in town are the kind of
lights that will allow you to be legal and that will let others see you.
Street lights these days are so good that you can see just fine without any
lights at all. I remember growing up back in the 1940s when the town was
really dark at night. No more! These new amber style street lights are
almost as good as daylight.

Regards,

Ed Dolan - Minnesota

My old light (a cateye EL-300) was that kind of light. If there was
any traffic, or if there were street lights, the EL-300 was a good
'see me' light. If I were on a dark section with no traffic I could
see the road by my light, but not all that well. I do mount my
light(s) on my handlebar so the beam goes through my fairing. I like
the fact that the fairing reflects some of the light, just another
safety aspect for visibility to drivers. My lights also have some side
emission, lighting my crank & feet.

With the twin EL-500 lights I have near headlight quality lighting.
The road is lit pretty well, even with on-coming cars, and the signs
are really reflectively alive.

I commute 6 miles to work, and work starts at 6 am. Some of the roads
I ride each morning have no street lights at all. I also visit friends
in neighboring towns & ride home at night...no street lights at all
for miles. I like to see the road I'm about to roll over.

Indiana Mike

Also sprach Mike Rice <[email hidden]>:

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I got the second EL-500 from a different vendor for $32 including the
shipping, the best price a cursory search showed was around $45 befoe
shipping.

Grr. They tend to retail for around 44 GBP here; thus I was greatly miffed
when one of mine escaped from its mounting and bounced down the road at 30
mph, thereby causing it to break.

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Hoc ardur vincere docet.

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On Thu, 25 Aug 2005 23:35:36 -0500, "Edward Dolan" <[email hidden]>

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As for lights, all you really need if you stay in town are the kind of
lights that will allow you to be legal and that will let others see you.
Street lights these days are so good that you can see just fine without
any
lights at all. I remember growing up back in the 1940s when the town was
really dark at night. No more! These new amber style street lights are
almost as good as daylight.

Regards,

Ed Dolan - Minnesota

My old light (a cateye EL-300) was that kind of light. If there was
any traffic, or if there were street lights, the EL-300 was a good
'see me' light. If I were on a dark section with no traffic I could
see the road by my light, but not all that well. I do mount my
light(s) on my handlebar so the beam goes through my fairing. I like
the fact that the fairing reflects some of the light, just another
safety aspect for visibility to drivers. My lights also have some side
emission, lighting my crank & feet.

With the twin EL-500 lights I have near headlight quality lighting.
The road is lit pretty well, even with on-coming cars, and the signs
are really reflectively alive.

I commute 6 miles to work, and work starts at 6 am. Some of the roads
I ride each morning have no street lights at all. I also visit friends
in neighboring towns & ride home at night...no street lights at all
for miles. I like to see the road I'm about to roll over.

Indiana Mike

Points well taken Mike, but I caution you against riding your bike on dark
roads that are not lit at all. There is nothing more dangerous. Drivers are
not expecting to see any cyclists on the road after dark and they are likely
as not to run right over you even though they see you. The trouble is they
can't believe what they are seeing until it is too late.

I was once coming back from a month long tour and was making for the last
few miles to home after dark on the local county black tops. I had no lights
at all. Whenever I saw a car approaching me from either the rear or the
front, I got way off the road. I mean the ditch, not the shoulder. I should
have had some kind of lights of course, but it wouldn't have made any
difference. You want to get way off the road after dark when the roads are
not lit and there are motor vehicles on the road. They will hit you and
claim they did not see you - and all the world will believe them.

I make it a rule never to ride a bike after dark on roads that are not well
lit. Let me repeat - there is nothing more dangerous than being on an unlit
road after dark with motor vehicles. Your bike lights will not save you. You
need those street lamps which turn night into day.

Regards,

Ed Dolan - Minnesota

On Fri, 26 Aug 2005 22:01:45 -0500, "Edward Dolan" <[email hidden]>

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"Mike Rice" <[email hidden]> wrote

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I commute 6 miles to work, and work starts at 6 am. Some of the roads
I ride each morning have no street lights at all. I also visit friends
in neighboring towns & ride home at night...no street lights at all
for miles. I like to see the road I'm about to roll over.

Indiana Mike

Points well taken Mike, but I caution you against riding your bike on dark
roads that are not lit at all. There is nothing more dangerous. Drivers are
not expecting to see any cyclists on the road after dark and they are likely
as not to run right over you even though they see you. The trouble is they
can't believe what they are seeing until it is too late.

I was once coming back from a month long tour and was making for the last
few miles to home after dark on the local county black tops. I had no lights
at all. Whenever I saw a car approaching me from either the rear or the
front, I got way off the road. I mean the ditch, not the shoulder. I should
have had some kind of lights of course, but it wouldn't have made any
difference. You want to get way off the road after dark when the roads are
not lit and there are motor vehicles on the road. They will hit you and
claim they did not see you - and all the world will believe them.

I make it a rule never to ride a bike after dark on roads that are not well
lit. Let me repeat - there is nothing more dangerous than being on an unlit
road after dark with motor vehicles. Your bike lights will not save you. You
need those street lamps which turn night into day.

Regards,

Ed Dolan - Minnesota

I'm lit up pretty well, but I don't have any faith in the drivers. I
also have dual mirrocycle (?) bar end large mirrors and use them
constantly. If a car is not reacting to me I am ever ready to take it
off road. I've been lucky and this hasn't been necessary.

On my morning commute the first dark strech is the first mile and half
or so and at the time I'm riding (5:20 am) there is almost no traffic.
Some days I might share that strecth wich four cars or so, but many
mornings I don't encounter any cars until I,ve reached the next
stretch, a four lane with 6 foot shoudlers.

I appreciate your concern, and certainly don't advocate you do any
night riding whatsoever if that is how you feel safe. I think if an
idiot is going to hit you said idiot will do so just as obliviously in
broad daylight.

I do not trust drivers. I do all I can to help them see me, then I
watch them to make sure they have seen me.

Indiana Mike

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... Let me repeat - there is nothing more dangerous than being on an unlit
road after dark with motor vehicles

I can think of a few things more dangerous. Riding unpredictably,
weaving in front of cars, and , riding the wrong direction in front of
vehicles about to make right turns come to mind.

All things I see much too often.

Mike

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... Let me repeat - there is nothing more dangerous than being on an unlit
road after dark with motor vehicles

I can think of a few things more dangerous. Riding unpredictably,
weaving in front of cars, and , riding the wrong direction in front of
vehicles about to make right turns come to mind.

All things I see much too often.

I only see kids and teenagers doing the stupid things you mention above.
There are no young people on this newsgroup, just us old men who are getting
ready to fall into our graves.

When you ride your bike at night with or without bike lights on a dark road
that includes high speed motor vehicles you are playing a form of Russian
roulette. I am planning on dying at home in my bed, not out on the road
getting hit by a car in the dark.

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota

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When you ride your bike at night with or without bike lights on a dark road
that includes high speed motor vehicles you are playing a form of Russian
roulette. I am planning on dying at home in my bed, not out on the road
getting hit by a car in the dark.

Is dying in bed significantly better than dying on your bike, then?

"Bob"
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Edward Dolan said:

I am planning on dying at home in my bed,

Yo eddie,

What's the schedule?

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I just checked some of Tom Sherman's posts in the archive. They're on
topic, whereas Mr. Dolan's generally are not. Even if Mr. Dolan manages
to exceed the number of T. Sherman's posts, Dolan's posts are
immeasurably inferior. There's no contest!
Steve

Johnny ReBike said:

Edward Dolan said:

I am planning on dying at home in my bed,

Yo eddie,

What's the schedule?

St. Ed's favorite topic is himself with saying derogatory things about
others being a close second.
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I just checked some of Tom Sherman's posts in the archive. They're on
topic, whereas Mr. Dolan's generally are not. Even if Mr. Dolan manages to
exceed the number of T. Sherman's posts, Dolan's posts are immeasurably
inferior. There's no contest!
Steve

Johnny ReBike said:

Edward Dolan said:

I am planning on dying at home in my bed,

Yo eddie,

What's the schedule?

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On Sat, 27 Aug 2005 03:38:18 -0500, "Edward Dolan" <[email hidden]>

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When you ride your bike at night with or without bike lights on a dark
road
that includes high speed motor vehicles you are playing a form of Russian
roulette. I am planning on dying at home in my bed, not out on the road
getting hit by a car in the dark.

Is dying in bed significantly better than dying on your bike, then?

I have been thinking on death all of my life. There are simply horrible ways
to die and there are not so bad ways to die. Without going into infinite
detail on the matter, I can say without any qualifications whatsoever that
is far better to die in your bed in your sleep of a heart attack or a stroke
than any other way to die. Trust me on this, you do not want to be hit by a
motor vehicle on the road. Such cases do not die easily more often that not.

--
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

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Edward Dolan said:

I am planning on dying at home in my bed,

Yo eddie,

What's the schedule?

I think about another 10 years at the maximum. But ask yourself - do you
really want to live into your 90s? I have never seen anyone who was 90 who
was not a living corpse.

--
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

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I just checked some of Tom Sherman's posts in the archive. They're on
topic, whereas Mr. Dolan's generally are not. Even if Mr. Dolan manages to
exceed the number of T. Sherman's posts, Dolan's posts are immeasurably
inferior. There's no contest!
Steve

Yes, Sherman was not bad when he was on-topic. But that was never my issue
with him. I was off-topic almost all of time for a very good reason. I meant
to get rid of all the liberal political posting that was constantly
occurring on this newsgroup and I think I succeeded. I took Sherman on on
his every utterance on political subjects and I was unrelenting in that
endeavor. He had many cohorts here on ARBR as well and so it was not any
easy task to get rid of the political posting that was going on here prior
to my arrival.

I never pretended to be an on-topic poster. You have to view me in the
context to which I applied myself. ARBR is now a much better newsgroup
because I have gotten rid of all the political posting. All I am doing now
is just personal vendetta stuff and should be viewed as fun and games. Why
not relax and enjoy it? I am!

--
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

PS. Many of Sherman's posts are one liners. Very few of my post are one
liners. I am prolix whereas he was constipated.

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St. Ed's favorite topic is himself with saying derogatory things about
others being a close second.

If I am saying derogatory things about others here on ARBR it is because
they deserve to have derogatory things said about them. If you post [censored] to
ARBR I will be here for you. Count on it!

Each and everyone who posts to a newsgroup is announcing himself to the
world. That includes Jeff Grippe. When he is sensible, I leave him alone;
when he is senseless, I take him on.

--
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

Quoted message said:

I have been thinking on death all of my life. There are simply horrible ways
to die and there are not so bad ways to die. Without going into infinite
detail on the matter, I can say without any qualifications whatsoever that
is far better to die in your bed in your sleep of a heart attack or a stroke
than any other way to die.

nope better to die getting laid. what a way to go out.
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