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  1. Original post
    Mike C
    Archived post
    #1

    Doing a quick search, it doesn't look like he's posted here much
    lately....but over in the Slowtwitch (triathlon) forum I saw the
    following message about him and it might be of interest to those of you
    who've been around here for at least a few years: (sorry for the length
    but it's worth it)

    To Slowtwitchers....please scroll to the end of these emails and read
    backwards to get the story from the beginning....THANKS for anything
    that you can send to this amazing triathlete that is truly going
    through the IRONMAN of this life. Also, if you know of any pros or you
    are a pro or you are an amazing triathlete age grouper or just an
    amazing person.....and would like to send something to Andrew to make
    his rehab that much faster and stronger through your encouragement - I,
    for one, would think that you are a true triathlete with a heart of
    gold and a huge amount of compassion. Mary James Mad Cows Racing Team
    Vice President
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Mary, Thanks for the e-mail and your continued efforts. I saw my
    brother this weekend and it brought tears to my eyes. He is back!!! He
    looks normal once again (although he has never really been normal!!).
    He was moved from the ICU this weekend and is hopefully being
    discharged from the hospital before the weekend to go the country club
    of rehab centers, Burke Rehab in Westchester. He is expected to be
    there for several months. His white blood count is off so they are
    looking for the source of infection. He has been fitted for a brace
    until the hairline fractures on 3 or 4 of his vertabrae heal. This has
    been delayed because the brace rubs against the pelvic scar. He was
    helped out of bed on Monday for the first time in over 3 weeks but was
    only able to stand assisted for 5 seconds before he broke out into a
    sweat. Then yesterday he sat in a chair for 15 minutes. Progress comes
    in baby steps. The family has rallied around him and it is amazing to
    be part of such a unit. Andrew has been blown away by the outpouring of
    love and support from people he knows and people he does not. A small
    village in Africa congregated to pray for him by singing a song and
    then had their picture taken with a get well sign! This was coordinated
    by a friend of my brother's who is volunteering in that village. Then
    Dave Scott's picture and words of wisdom came. Lydia Schlosser sent him
    a handwritten one page letter and included her 1/2 ironman medal!! We
    were all blown away by her support and givingness. My brother keeps
    saying that he can't believe that these people whom he does not know
    are taking the time to reach out to "little old me"! That Dave Scott or
    Lydia or Beth would take time out of their day to think about him. He
    is psyched to get the Mad Cow shirt on and get back on a bike! My
    brother will recover from this and be a better person, doctor and
    athlete because of such outpouring. I can't thank you enough. Nicole
    and Tim Deboom's willingness to reach out is another example of the
    incredible community of which you are apart. It is one thing to be an
    amazing athlete. Perhaps it is another to be an amazing human being.
    Perhaps there is a connection between the two. Thank you again, again
    and again. Debbi
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Mary James [[email hidden]]
    Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 8:52 PM
    To: Debbi G. Gilad
    Subject: RE: IM Hawaii 2005 Lottery winner suffers traumatic injuries
    in c rash

    Debbie, I have heard from everyone except for Eric Heiden and Massimo
    Testa. I will send the email again. Nicole Deboom wrote to tell me that
    Tim and her were going to send a care package to your brother. It is a
    big bummer that you haven't heard back from Ironman - they are
    sometimes so busy this time of year that they don't respond until after
    the race. Please let me know how your brother is doing in order to let
    everyone else know. I think that your brother should be a Mad Cow now
    since he is going to be such an awesome triathlete after going through
    all of this.....the Mad Cows would be happy to have him and after all
    we are sponsored by the UC Davis Sports Performance Lab which is where
    Eric Heiden and Massimo Testa collaborate with athletes and rehab
    athletes from around the world. Maybe your brother could come to CA and
    get some rehab from Eric himself!! That would be great for him and for
    Eric...especially if Eric wrote Ironman and requested that he get to
    raincheck his lottery ticket until 2006. Thanks for the updates and I'm
    glad that he is doing a little better, Let me know how he is when you
    see him, Mary James Vice President Mad Cows Racing Team Davis, CA
    Mary, Just wanted to share with you my brother's comment this morning.
    He told the doctors and nurses this morning that he needs to get out
    this hospital soon because he needs to train for Kona 2006!!!!! Dreams
    can't come true without first formulating and believing in the dream!
    Debbi
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Debbi G. Gilad
    Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 8:39 AM
    To: 'Mary James'
    Subject: RE: IM Hawaii 2005 Lottery winner suffers traumatic injuries
    in crash

    Mary, The Mad Cow's jersey is hanging in my brother's hospital room and
    it looks great! Thank you. An autographed best wishes from Beth Zinkand
    is also there! My brother's pelvis was repaired last week (surgery #2),
    however, he developed a hematoma that required emergency surgery
    (surgery #3). They drained out 4 liters of blood. Then yesterday, his
    shattered cheekbone was repaired (surgery #4). We think that is the end
    of the surgeries and major crises. Now comes his hard work of getting
    strong and rehabing. The doctors are talking about 4-6 months of hard
    work. I am heading back to NY Friday night for the weekend so I am
    expecting to see an improved brother since my visit 2 weeks ago in
    which he was attached to a respirator and "out". Again, thank you for
    your efforts. We did not hear from the Ironman org so I am hoping that
    they do what they do "silently", such as the deferral or sending
    something to my brother. I was also hoping that we would have heard
    from Eric Heiden, particularly since he and my brother are in the same
    field. Perhaps he is away on vacation. Any "nudge" you can give would
    be appreciated. I did hear from Dave Scott with incredible advice and
    he said he would send a picture out. That is worth more than medicine
    sometimes. Thanks again. Debbi

    Debbi Gilad, J.D.
    Research Compliance and Integrity Officer
    Office of Research
    University of California Davis
    402 Mrak Hall
    Davis, CA 95616
    Tel: (530) 754-6473
    Fax: (530) 752-0623
    [email hidden]
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Mary James [[email hidden]]
    Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 6:04 AM
    To: [email hidden]
    Subject: Fw: IM Hawaii 2005 Lottery winner suffers traumatic injuries
    in crash

    -----Forwarded by Mary James/PCS/HS/UCD on 07/28/2005 06:04AM -----

    From: Mary James/PCS/HS/UCD
    Date: 07/28/2005 02:57AM
    Subject: IM Hawaii 2005 Lottery winner suffers traumatic injuries in
    crash

    Ironman Hawaii 2005 Lottery winner suffers traumatic injuries after
    being hit by a car while training for his greatest dream Just wanted to
    forward this email to all of you in hopes that you would possibly help
    my friend Debbi Gilad's brother recover from this most traumatic crash.
    Please scroll down to read about Andrew's crash. Debbi told me by phone
    that her brother, Andrew, would really appreciate anything that has to
    do with triathlon. I figured out of all my contacts and acquaintances
    you all might be able to help me out with these types of items and
    maybe be able to sign your autograph on something for Andrew.
    Apparently Andrew has always thought of Eric (Heiden) as one of his
    sports heroes and Debbi was too shy to email you, Eric, directly to ask
    if you could sign something and send it to her brother, who is just
    barely on his way out of the critical stages of recovery from his
    extensive injuries. As for all the rest of you that I have included in
    this email.....Andrew has followed triathlon long enough to know your
    names and would love to have a hospital room full of triathlon
    memorabilia to wake up to when he awakens and realizes what has
    happened. So, I have sent him a Mad Cows Racing Team cycling jersey
    (medium) to wear through his many months of rehab that awaits him after
    an open book pelvic fracture. Please send Andrew something to help him
    through his recovery and rehab if you have the time and if you work for
    Ironman/WTC (Diana B. and Blair L.) please consider this athlete for
    the 2006 amazing comeback stories of the year or maybe 2007 as he might
    still be recovering in October 2006. Thank you for your time and please
    read the forwarded email from Andrew's sister, Debbi Gilad. Thanks,
    Mary James, RN, BSN, MICN UCDMC ER/Trauma Center
    -----Forwarded by Mary James/PCS/HS/UCD on 07/27/2005 10:01PM -----

    To: "[email hidden]'" <[email hidden]>
    From: Mary James/PCS/HS/UCD
    Sent by: "Debbi G. Gilad" <[email hidden]>
    Date: 07/27/2005 04:19PM
    Subject: RE: Badly Injured Triathlete

    Mary,
    My brother is Andrew Haas. He is 36, a recent newlywed. He is an
    orthopedic
    surgeon and provides medical attention to various local sports teams
    and
    athletes. He has been doing marathons for years (NY and Boston) and has
    done
    several 1/2 ironmans. He made it into this years Ironman via the
    lottery and
    was incredibly excited. Despite being a newlywed, his wife supported
    this
    endeavor and he set off on training actively and it was going really
    well,
    until a driver hit him while he was on his bike. The preliminary police

    report indicates that that the driver was at fault by not yielding. My
    brother was brought into the hospital unconscious and is still sedated
    so we
    have yet to hear from him (assuming he remembers anything).
    His medical injuries are extensive. He has a separated and broken
    pelvis
    which will require additional surgery to stabilize internally with
    plates.
    He had emergency surgery immediately after the accident to stabilize
    the
    pelvis by constructing an external contraption. He also had a collapsed

    lung. After the surgery, there were complications as a result of
    internal
    bleeding. The source of the bleeding was not found so they gave him a
    clotting agent which eventually helped. He received 19 bags of blood.
    He was
    finally transferred today to the Westchester Medical Trauma Center in
    New
    York and pending a full medical assessment, he will be operated on to
    repair
    the pelvis. He also shattered his cheekbone which will require
    additional
    surgery. At this time, the injuries are no longer life threatening as
    it
    appears that that risk has thankfully passed. In addition to his
    physical
    injuries, the disappointment, anger and eventual depression associated
    with
    not being able to be at the starting line in Kona will be huge for him.
    I am
    hoping that inspiration from those who can imagine that feeling or
    perhaps
    athletes that have experienced that disappointment and have come back
    might
    be able to provide words of inspiration. You are all part of an
    incredibly
    unique community and I would love for my brother to be a beneficiary of
    your
    support. (It selfishly helps me feel like I can do something for him.)

    Please feel free to send anything to him at 15 Lawridge Drive, Rye
    Brook, NY
    10573 or I can easily pick up anything and take care of getting it to
    him. I
    will be traveling to NY once again August 12th.

    Thank you.
    Debbi

    *******************************************************

    Mike C

    MJ

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  2. Dot
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    #2
    Mike C said:

    Doing a quick search, it doesn't look like he's posted here much
    lately....but over in the Slowtwitch (triathlon) forum I saw the
    following message about him and it might be of interest to those of you
    who've been around here for at least a few years: (sorry for the length
    but it's worth it)

    Mike, This isn't our Andy is it? His last name is Hass (just googled, as
    I've frequently misspelled it) and was going to grad school at U. Mich
    in business (had been doing cancer research, iirc, then changed majors,
    I think). Thought he was in his late 20s. He is a newlywed though. I
    think he's done Chicago and Boston, but don't remember New York (he
    could have). I think I have seen him posting over on some other run
    board that I've wandered onto through misplaced mouse clicks.
    CoolRunning Competitive has an AndyHass who posted today, and looking at
    a couple past posts, that seems like "our" Andy - but that's not where I
    saw his posts earlier 😉.

    But that's a real bummer about Andrew Haas and hope he makes a speedy
    recovery and gets to Kona in 2006.

    There is also an "amh" (another Andy) from Long Island (iirc) who hasn't
    posted in a long time either, and he does bike a lot, but I don't think
    his last name is Haas.

    Dot

    --
    "Success is different things to different people"
    -Bernd Heinrich in Racing the Antelope

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  3. Tom Wheeler
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    #3

    Haven't u heard . them rocherster r all faggets......

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  4. Mike C
    Archived post
    #4

    Hey Dot:

    Been away from the computer for the last couple of days....you know,
    I'll have to doublecheck myself about the Haas/Hass name situation.
    When I saw the Slowtwitch post Saturday night, I immediately thought it
    was one and the same, but now I'll have to make sure.

    Regardless, it's a tough situation but I understand it has a little
    less impact here depending on which Andy this is....!

    Mike C

    Dot said:
    Mike C said:

    Doing a quick search, it doesn't look like he's posted here much
    lately....but over in the Slowtwitch (triathlon) forum I saw the
    following message about him and it might be of interest to those of you
    who've been around here for at least a few years: (sorry for the length
    but it's worth it)

    Mike, This isn't our Andy is it? His last name is Hass (just googled, as
    I've frequently misspelled it) and was going to grad school at U. Mich
    in business (had been doing cancer research, iirc, then changed majors,
    I think). Thought he was in his late 20s. He is a newlywed though. I
    think he's done Chicago and Boston, but don't remember New York (he
    could have). I think I have seen him posting over on some other run
    board that I've wandered onto through misplaced mouse clicks.
    CoolRunning Competitive has an AndyHass who posted today, and looking at
    a couple past posts, that seems like "our" Andy - but that's not where I
    saw his posts earlier 😉.

    But that's a real bummer about Andrew Haas and hope he makes a speedy
    recovery and gets to Kona in 2006.

    There is also an "amh" (another Andy) from Long Island (iirc) who hasn't
    posted in a long time either, and he does bike a lot, but I don't think
    his last name is Haas.

    Dot

    --
    "Success is different things to different people"
    -Bernd Heinrich in Racing the Antelope

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  5. Dot
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    #5
    Mike C said:


    Regardless, it's a tough situation

    I agree. Seems like there's been a lot of car - bike collisions this
    year with the bike and rider losing very badly. We've had a lot of teens
    on ATV's (illegal on roads) colliding with vehicles this summer with the
    same result - seemed like one a week for awhile.

    How's your Kona training going?

    Dot

    --
    "Success is different things to different people"
    -Bernd Heinrich in Racing the Antelope

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  6. Mike C
    Archived post
    #6

    No Kona for me this year...doing IM Florida in NJOvember and then
    Arizona in April---trying to qualify for Kona 2006 the hard way!

    Mike C

    Dot said:
    Mike C said:


    Regardless, it's a tough situation

    I agree. Seems like there's been a lot of car - bike collisions this
    year with the bike and rider losing very badly. We've had a lot of teens
    on ATV's (illegal on roads) colliding with vehicles this summer with the
    same result - seemed like one a week for awhile.

    How's your Kona training going?

    Dot

    --
    "Success is different things to different people"
    -Bernd Heinrich in Racing the Antelope

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  7. Mike C
    Archived post
    #7

    "IM Florida in NJOvember and then"

    Now I'm making up my own names for the months on the calendar. That
    would be "November" to you and me...

    Training is going well---for the first time ever I've hired a coach and
    doing much more systematic training. My swim has improved
    astronomically (though from my starting point as a "rock", there was
    really nowhere to go but faster!) and each workout has a definitive
    purpose to it, something I've lacked in the past. Big test will come
    September 17th with my second Half IM of the year...will let you know
    what happens.

    Mike C

    Mike C said:

    No Kona for me this year...doing IM Florida in NJOvember and then
    Arizona in April---trying to qualify for Kona 2006 the hard way!

    Mike C

    Dot said:
    Mike C said:


    Regardless, it's a tough situation

    I agree. Seems like there's been a lot of car - bike collisions this
    year with the bike and rider losing very badly. We've had a lot of teens
    on ATV's (illegal on roads) colliding with vehicles this summer with the
    same result - seemed like one a week for awhile.

    How's your Kona training going?

    Dot

    --
    "Success is different things to different people"
    -Bernd Heinrich in Racing the Antelope

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  8. The Bill Rodgers
    Archived post
    #8
    Mike C said:

    No Kona for me this year..

    Is it the bud, or commercial? I wouldn't mind an ounce or two if you
    won't be smoking it.

    TBR

    "As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and
    more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day
    the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the
    White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
    H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
    "Anyone with degrees from Yale and Harvard is presumed to be intelligent,
    but George W. Bush has managed to overcome that presumption."

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  9. Jim A Davidson
    Archived post
    #9

    I will add that theres far far more to this story,
    but it's not an NG type of
    story.
    Its personal family stuff, but the rapo decided to
    share it.
    Our differences come from the fact that my sister
    ripped off my parents house
    by crookery and deciet, then last december she
    used my mothers ATM card to
    steal every penny my mom had (bought herself
    cocaine to enjoy for christmas)
    then when my mother got a call from the bank she
    asked me to find out why, and
    thats what I discovered. My brother is so deeply
    pained by the loss of my mom,
    he just won't deal with the pain of what my
    sisters done. She also had her name
    on my moms account, and had access to her acct
    after she died, this is why I've
    exercised my right for a full accounting of my
    mothers finances.She told me to
    do so, and it's my right to know anyways when you
    have a drug addicted woman
    controling a dead persons money it's only prudent.
    My poor brother takes this
    as me accusing him of misapropriating her funds.
    So be it...

    If you see my brother (Bill Davidson) please
    notify the Dept of Mental Health in Boston, as
    they are trying to find him.

    http://tinyurl.com/cdg8p <---Bill Davidson aka The
    Bill Rodgers.

    Mike C said:


    "IM Florida in NJOvember and then"

    Now I'm making up my own names for the months on the calendar. That
    would be "November" to you and me...

    Training is going well---for the first time ever I've hired a coach and
    doing much more systematic training. My swim has improved
    astronomically (though from my starting point as a "rock", there was
    really nowhere to go but faster!) and each workout has a definitive
    purpose to it, something I've lacked in the past. Big test will come
    September 17th with my second Half IM of the year...will let you know
    what happens.

    Mike C

    Mike C said:

    No Kona for me this year...doing IM Florida in NJOvember and then
    Arizona in April---trying to qualify for Kona 2006 the hard way!

    Mike C

    Dot said:

    Mike C wrote:

    >
    > Regardless, it's a tough situation

    I agree. Seems like there's been a lot of car - bike collisions this
    year with the bike and rider losing very badly. We've had a lot of teens
    on ATV's (illegal on roads) colliding with vehicles this summer with the
    same result - seemed like one a week for awhile.

    How's your Kona training going?

    Dot

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    -Bernd Heinrich in Racing the Antelope

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  10. The Bill Rodgers
    Archived post
    #10

    When?

    Jim A Davidson said:

    I will add that theres far far more to this story,
    but it's not an NG type of
    story.
    Its personal family stuff, but the rapo decided to
    share it.
    Our differences come from the fact that my sister
    ripped off my parents house
    by crookery and deciet, then last december she
    used my mothers ATM card to
    steal every penny my mom had (bought herself
    cocaine to enjoy for christmas)
    then when my mother got a call from the bank she
    asked me to find out why, and
    thats what I discovered. My brother is so deeply
    pained by the loss of my mom,
    he just won't deal with the pain of what my
    sisters done. She also had her name
    on my moms account, and had access to her acct
    after she died, this is why I've
    exercised my right for a full accounting of my
    mothers finances.She told me to
    do so, and it's my right to know anyways when you
    have a drug addicted woman
    controling a dead persons money it's only prudent.
    My poor brother takes this
    as me accusing him of misapropriating her funds.
    So be it...

    If you see my brother (Bill Davidson) please
    notify the Dept of Mental Health in Boston, as
    they are trying to find him.

    http://tinyurl.com/cdg8p <---Bill Davidson aka The
    Bill Rodgers.

    Mike C said:


    "IM Florida in NJOvember and then"

    Now I'm making up my own names for the months on the calendar. That
    would be "November" to you and me...

    Training is going well---for the first time ever I've hired a coach and
    doing much more systematic training. My swim has improved
    astronomically (though from my starting point as a "rock", there was
    really nowhere to go but faster!) and each workout has a definitive
    purpose to it, something I've lacked in the past. Big test will come
    September 17th with my second Half IM of the year...will let you know
    what happens.

    Mike C

    Mike C said:

    No Kona for me this year...doing IM Florida in NJOvember and then
    Arizona in April---trying to qualify for Kona 2006 the hard way!

    Mike C

    Dot wrote:
    > Mike C wrote:
    >
    > >
    > > Regardless, it's a tough situation
    >
    > I agree. Seems like there's been a lot of car - bike collisions this
    > year with the bike and rider losing very badly. We've had a lot of teens
    > on ATV's (illegal on roads) colliding with vehicles this summer with the
    > same result - seemed like one a week for awhile.
    >
    >
    > How's your Kona training going?
    >
    > Dot
    >
    > --
    > "Success is different things to different people"
    > -Bernd Heinrich in Racing the Antelope

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    TBR

    "As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and
    more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day
    the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the
    White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
    H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
    "Anyone with degrees from Yale and Harvard is presumed to be intelligent,
    but George W. Bush has managed to overcome that presumption."

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  11. The Bill Rodgers
    Archived post
    #11
    Jim A Davidson said:

    but the rapo

    Ahh here we have our answer! This guys name is John Mitchell. He is a
    child rapist who masquerades as a bagpiper. He has been driven out of
    every area he has spent any time at, after they found out about his
    sex crimes and behavior. Go check rec.musicmakers.bagpipe for threads
    about him, there are hundreds about his mideeds, and what the piping
    world did to rid itself of this vermin. He festers like a wart on the
    ass of humanity.

    TBR

    "As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and
    more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day
    the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the
    White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
    H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
    "Anyone with degrees from Yale and Harvard is presumed to be intelligent,
    but George W. Bush has managed to overcome that presumption."

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  12. The Bill Rodgers
    Archived post
    #12

    Where?

    On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 17:17:52 -0400, The Bill Rodgers <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:
    Jim A Davidson said:

    but the rapo

    Ahh here we have our answer! This guys name is John Mitchell. He is a
    child rapist who masquerades as a bagpiper. He has been driven out of
    every area he has spent any time at, after they found out about his
    sex crimes and behavior. Go check rec.musicmakers.bagpipe for threads
    about him, there are hundreds about his mideeds, and what the piping
    world did to rid itself of this vermin. He festers like a wart on the
    ass of humanity.

    TBR

    "As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and
    more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day
    the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the
    White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
    H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
    "Anyone with degrees from Yale and Harvard is presumed to be intelligent,
    but George W. Bush has managed to overcome that presumption."

    TBR

    "As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and
    more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day
    the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the
    White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
    H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
    "Anyone with degrees from Yale and Harvard is presumed to be intelligent,
    but George W. Bush has managed to overcome that presumption."

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  13. Jim A Davidson
    Archived post
    #13

    How much are your child support arrearages, Mr.
    Davidson? $10,000?
    $20,000? You must owe Ms. Duclos a tidy sum for
    raising your daughter
    while you loafed and trolled on the internet.

    When you appear in court, you probably weep bitter
    tears in front of
    the judge, bewailing the fact that you are
    disabled and must live on a
    small stipend. Would the judge and the child
    support enforcement
    division view your claimed disability a bit
    differently if they knew
    that you run nine miles every day?

    On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 17:13:35 -0400, The Bill

    Rodgers said:

    When?

    Jim A Davidson said:

    I will add that theres far far more to this story,
    but it's not an NG type of
    story.
    Its personal family stuff, but the rapo decided to
    share it.
    Our differences come from the fact that my sister
    ripped off my parents house
    by crookery and deciet, then last december she
    used my mothers ATM card to
    steal every penny my mom had (bought herself
    cocaine to enjoy for christmas)
    then when my mother got a call from the bank she
    asked me to find out why, and
    thats what I discovered. My brother is so deeply
    pained by the loss of my mom,
    he just won't deal with the pain of what my
    sisters done. She also had her name
    on my moms account, and had access to her acct
    after she died, this is why I've
    exercised my right for a full accounting of my
    mothers finances.She told me to
    do so, and it's my right to know anyways when you
    have a drug addicted woman
    controling a dead persons money it's only prudent.
    My poor brother takes this
    as me accusing him of misapropriating her funds.
    So be it...

    If you see my brother (Bill Davidson) please
    notify the Dept of Mental Health in Boston, as
    they are trying to find him.

    http://tinyurl.com/cdg8p <---Bill Davidson aka The
    Bill Rodgers.

    Mike C said:


    "IM Florida in NJOvember and then"

    Now I'm making up my own names for the months on the calendar. That
    would be "November" to you and me...

    Training is going well---for the first time ever I've hired a coach and
    doing much more systematic training. My swim has improved
    astronomically (though from my starting point as a "rock", there was
    really nowhere to go but faster!) and each workout has a definitive
    purpose to it, something I've lacked in the past. Big test will come
    September 17th with my second Half IM of the year...will let you know
    what happens.

    Mike C

    Mike C wrote:
    > No Kona for me this year...doing IM Florida in NJOvember and then
    > Arizona in April---trying to qualify for Kona 2006 the hard way!
    >
    > Mike C
    >
    >
    > Dot wrote:
    > > Mike C wrote:
    > >
    > > >
    > > > Regardless, it's a tough situation
    > >
    > > I agree. Seems like there's been a lot of car - bike collisions this
    > > year with the bike and rider losing very badly. We've had a lot of teens
    > > on ATV's (illegal on roads) colliding with vehicles this summer with the
    > > same result - seemed like one a week for awhile.
    > >
    > >
    > > How's your Kona training going?
    > >
    > > Dot
    > >
    > > --
    > > "Success is different things to different people"
    > > -Bernd Heinrich in Racing the Antelope

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    more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day
    the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the
    White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
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  14. The Bill Rodgers
    Archived post
    #14

    John Mitchell, Pedophile, teen rapist booted from every bagpipe band
    he's ever been in for either theft, drunkeness, or sexual deviances.
    Run out of canada, chased by immigration officals, as well as for rape
    warrants in detroit.
    When offered shelter at a mans home in conneticut, he spent a weekend,
    drinking, puking, and [censored] all over, then for good measure, he
    molested his keepers teenage son.
    Luckily he's now fat, bald, and looks like Wimpy from Popeye, so
    there's little left for him in life now, but to make up stories about
    the person who exposed him to the bagpipe world as a sick, degenerate,
    pervert and rapist.

    Jim A Davidson said:

    How much are your child support arrearages, Mr.
    Davidson? $10,000?
    $20,000? You must owe Ms. Duclos a tidy sum for
    raising your daughter
    while you loafed and trolled on the internet.

    When you appear in court, you probably weep bitter
    tears in front of
    the judge, bewailing the fact that you are
    disabled and must live on a
    small stipend. Would the judge and the child
    support enforcement
    division view your claimed disability a bit
    differently if they knew
    that you run nine miles every day?

    TBR

    "As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and
    more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day
    the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the
    White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
    H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
    "Anyone with degrees from Yale and Harvard is presumed to be intelligent,
    but George W. Bush has managed to overcome that presumption."

    Report
  15. The Bill Rodgers
    Archived post
    #15

    John Mitchell, Pedophile, teen rapist booted from every bagpipe band
    he's ever been in for either theft, drunkeness, or sexual deviances.
    Run out of canada, chased by immigration officals, as well as for rape
    warrants in detroit.
    When offered shelter at a mans home in conneticut, he spent a weekend,
    drinking, puking, and [censored] all over, then for good measure, he
    molested his keepers teenage son.
    Luckily he's now fat, bald, and looks like Wimpy from Popeye, so
    there's little left for him in life now, but to make up stories about
    the person who exposed him to the bagpipe world as a sick, degenerate,
    pervert and rapist.

    Jim A Davidson said:

    How much are your child support arrearages, Mr.
    Davidson? $10,000?
    $20,000? You must owe Ms. Duclos a tidy sum for
    raising your daughter
    while you loafed and trolled on the internet.

    When you appear in court, you probably weep bitter
    tears in front of
    the judge, bewailing the fact that you are
    disabled and must live on a
    small stipend. Would the judge and the child
    support enforcement
    division view your claimed disability a bit
    differently if they knew
    that you run nine miles every day?

    On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 17:13:35 -0400, The Bill

    Rodgers said:

    When?

    Jim A Davidson said:

    I will add that theres far far more to this story,
    but it's not an NG type of
    story.
    Its personal family stuff, but the rapo decided to
    share it.
    Our differences come from the fact that my sister
    ripped off my parents house
    by crookery and deciet, then last december she
    used my mothers ATM card to
    steal every penny my mom had (bought herself
    cocaine to enjoy for christmas)
    then when my mother got a call from the bank she
    asked me to find out why, and
    thats what I discovered. My brother is so deeply
    pained by the loss of my mom,
    he just won't deal with the pain of what my
    sisters done. She also had her name
    on my moms account, and had access to her acct
    after she died, this is why I've
    exercised my right for a full accounting of my
    mothers finances.She told me to
    do so, and it's my right to know anyways when you
    have a drug addicted woman
    controling a dead persons money it's only prudent.
    My poor brother takes this
    as me accusing him of misapropriating her funds.
    So be it...

    If you see my brother (Bill Davidson) please
    notify the Dept of Mental Health in Boston, as
    they are trying to find him.

    http://tinyurl.com/cdg8p <---Bill Davidson aka The
    Bill Rodgers.

    On 24 Aug 2005 12:48:42 -0700, "Mike C"
    <[email hidden]> wrote:

    >
    >"IM Florida in NJOvember and then"
    >
    >Now I'm making up my own names for the months on the calendar. That
    >would be "November" to you and me...
    >
    >Training is going well---for the first time ever I've hired a coach and
    >doing much more systematic training. My swim has improved
    >astronomically (though from my starting point as a "rock", there was
    >really nowhere to go but faster!) and each workout has a definitive
    >purpose to it, something I've lacked in the past. Big test will come
    >September 17th with my second Half IM of the year...will let you know
    >what happens.
    >
    >Mike C
    >
    >
    >Mike C wrote:
    >> No Kona for me this year...doing IM Florida in NJOvember and then
    >> Arizona in April---trying to qualify for Kona 2006 the hard way!
    >>
    >> Mike C
    >>
    >>
    >> Dot wrote:
    >> > Mike C wrote:
    >> >
    >> > >
    >> > > Regardless, it's a tough situation
    >> >
    >> > I agree. Seems like there's been a lot of car - bike collisions this
    >> > year with the bike and rider losing very badly. We've had a lot of teens
    >> > on ATV's (illegal on roads) colliding with vehicles this summer with the
    >> > same result - seemed like one a week for awhile.
    >> >
    >> >
    >> > How's your Kona training going?
    >> >
    >> > Dot
    >> >
    >> > --
    >> > "Success is different things to different people"
    >> > -Bernd Heinrich in Racing the Antelope

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    "As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and
    more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day
    the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the
    White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
    H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
    "Anyone with degrees from Yale and Harvard is presumed to be intelligent,
    but George W. Bush has managed to overcome that presumption."

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    TBR

    "As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and
    more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day
    the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the
    White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
    H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
    "Anyone with degrees from Yale and Harvard is presumed to be intelligent,
    but George W. Bush has managed to overcome that presumption."

    Report
  16. Tom Wheeler
    Archived post
    #16

    He in Hell.
    a alfa golf dude want to be. them hanns are all rode or rough chester
    faggs any who. jock dusch bags all the way stab you i the back builder
    s. broke me dush bags they are.faggets all of them.
    Hay be tweeney the military and collage and all the events he do and
    home work and holdings or a fested job in the rough chest group I am
    sure he sleeps too...... How much did you bill me fer and re structure
    the pay fer fagget.......
    in hell them alfa faggets are the one pulling the ribbon off the trails
    markers.....
    so cheereo and watch yer wallets...... and reputations because they win
    evan if it means going after your back side.....

    I sa aby got it.......

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  17. Dario Western
    Archived post
    #17

    TBR,

    Is John Mitchell a nudist as well? If not, then why did you forward the
    message to this group?

    Dario Western

    "The Bill Rodgers" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    John Mitchell, Pedophile, teen rapist booted from every bagpipe band
    he's ever been in for either theft, drunkeness, or sexual deviances.
    Run out of canada, chased by immigration officals, as well as for rape
    warrants in detroit.
    When offered shelter at a mans home in conneticut, he spent a weekend,
    drinking, puking, and [censored] all over, then for good measure, he
    molested his keepers teenage son.
    Luckily he's now fat, bald, and looks like Wimpy from Popeye, so
    there's little left for him in life now, but to make up stories about
    the person who exposed him to the bagpipe world as a sick, degenerate,
    pervert and rapist.

    Jim A Davidson said:

    How much are your child support arrearages, Mr.
    Davidson? $10,000?
    $20,000? You must owe Ms. Duclos a tidy sum for
    raising your daughter
    while you loafed and trolled on the internet.

    When you appear in court, you probably weep bitter
    tears in front of
    the judge, bewailing the fact that you are
    disabled and must live on a
    small stipend. Would the judge and the child
    support enforcement
    division view your claimed disability a bit
    differently if they knew
    that you run nine miles every day?

    TBR

    "As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and
    more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day
    the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and


    the

    Quoted message said:

    White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
    H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
    "Anyone with degrees from Yale and Harvard is presumed to be intelligent,
    but George W. Bush has managed to overcome that presumption."

    Report
  18. The Bill Rodgers
    Archived post
    #18
    Dario Western said:

    TBR,

    Is John Mitchell a nudist as well? If not, then why did you forward the
    message to this group?

    Dario Western

    Of course he is, do you think he molests children with his clothes on?

    TBR

    "As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and
    more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day
    the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the
    White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
    H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
    "Anyone with degrees from Yale and Harvard is presumed to be intelligent,
    but George W. Bush has managed to overcome that presumption."

    Report
  19. David Looser
    Archived post
    #19

    "The Bill Rodgers" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Dario Western said:

    TBR,

    Is John Mitchell a nudist as well? If not, then why did you forward the
    message to this group?

    Dario Western

    Of course he is, do you think he molests children with his clothes on?


    Almost certainly he does. It is very unusual for those commiting rapes or
    sexual assults to be totally naked.

    David.

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  20. The Bill Rodgers
    Archived post
    #20
    David Looser said:

    Almost certainly he does. It is very unusual for those commiting rapes or
    sexual assults to be totally naked.

    Seems you have an intimate knowledge of said practices...

    TBR

    "As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and
    more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day
    the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the
    White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
    H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
    "Anyone with degrees from Yale and Harvard is presumed to be intelligent,
    but George W. Bush has managed to overcome that presumption."

    Report

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