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  1. Hello All,

    I am in need of a strength/weight training program. Here;s the
    rundown, I am a lightweight rower but I would really like to put on
    some lean
    muscle and drop my bodyfat over the winter to have maximum performance
    next spring. I have been rowing high-school for 2 years and have never
    stuck to a weight training program. My last few years have been rough
    and
    dissapointing, I've always been at the back of the pack, sort of the
    runt of the team, and one thing that I think will really help me this
    year is to have more leverage and power to send the boat and erg. That
    and I want to look more muscular .... who doesn't?

    Here is sort of a dilemma. I have a membership at the local YMCA,
    but with school starting soon, fall rowing beginning,my job and by band
    I don't
    think I'll be able to commit three 90 minute workouts into my schedule.
    And if I did it would be impossible to be consistent, and chances are
    I would miss workouts. There is a weight room at our school, but it is
    horribly out of date, and usually locked up. Basically keeping the
    membership at the Y would be a waste, because I could only get there
    once a week if I'm lucky

    I own a C2 rowing machine,
    (http://www.argos-sports.co.uk/mall/argos/images/products/Concept2/ModelD-Back.jpg)and
    we erg at school 6 times a week. I have an exercise ball or swill ball
    .... whatever its called, and about 60 pounds in free weights at my
    house, no pullup
    bar. I was wondering if a bodyweight program would work, except I have
    no real way to work my back, unless I use the C2 as a strengthening
    tool. I need a way to make a 3 day schedule using the swiss ball and
    weights to gain some muscle mass, or general size and strength using
    only the ball, some weights and my bodyweight

    If anyone can help me out i would be very greatful, as this will be
    my last year of highschool and I want to make it a good one.

    Thank you

  2. Quoted message said:

    Hello All,

    I am in need of a strength/weight training program. Here;s the
    rundown, I am a lightweight rower but I would really like to put on
    some lean
    muscle and drop my bodyfat over the winter to have maximum performance
    next spring. I have been rowing high-school for 2 years and have never
    stuck to a weight training program. My last few years have been rough
    and
    dissapointing, I've always been at the back of the pack, sort of the
    runt of the team, and one thing that I think will really help me this
    year is to have more leverage and power to send the boat and erg.
    That and I want to look more muscular .... who doesn't?

    First off, how much weight can you afford to put on? How much will you weigh
    at weight, what do you do to get there, which version of lightweight are you
    competing in (international style 70avg/72.5, BUSA 72.5, American college
    whateveritis?) You may need to be careful not to gain too much muscle early
    season.

    Secondly: good things to do are deadlift, leg press, one-arm bent-over rows
    with dumbbells, squat, power cleans, other [censored]. In about that order of
    preference. Then on top of that you will want to do some core stability
    work - front and side plank holds, that kind of thing.

    Quoted message said:

    Here is sort of a dilemma. I have a membership at the local YMCA,
    but with school starting soon, fall rowing beginning,my job and by
    band I don't
    think I'll be able to commit three 90 minute workouts into my
    schedule. And if I did it would be impossible to be consistent, and
    chances are I would miss workouts. There is a weight room at our
    school, but it is horribly out of date, and usually locked up.
    Basically keeping the membership at the Y would be a waste, because I
    could only get there once a week if I'm lucky

    How can a weight rom be 'out of date'? a 20kg plate is a 20kg plate. If the
    bars are seized up and don't spin freely then don't do cleans, but DL and
    squat will still be fine.

    If you need to gain strength, which from the sounds of things would help,
    then you will need to find time to do weights at least once a week; twice
    will make for better improvements and less soreness. Either you care and can
    find the time or you don't care enough, can't find the time and will be back
    of pack again, your choice. You don't need 90' anyway for rowing, 30' will
    do if you are quick.

    Quoted message said:

    I own a C2 rowing machine,
    (http://www.argos-sports.co.uk/mall/argos/images/products/Concept2/ModelD-Back.jpg)and
    we erg at school 6 times a week. I have an exercise ball or swill
    ball ... whatever its called, and about 60 pounds in free weights at
    my house, no pullup
    bar. I was wondering if a bodyweight program would work, except I
    have no real way to work my back, unless I use the C2 as a
    strengthening tool. I need a way to make a 3 day schedule using the
    swiss ball and weights to gain some muscle mass, or general size and
    strength using only the ball, some weights and my bodyweight

    You don't want to use the CII to gain strength. To do that you'd have to set
    up at drag 10, low stroke rate, and then you will risk injuring your back.
    Strength-endurance, yes. To do that, use normal drag factor (4-5, so 135
    measured), rate 20, 30' aiming for maximum distance covered. If that's not
    hard enough, rate 18. Broadly speaking, at rate 20 acceptable is >8000m, OK
    is 8250, good is 8500, top international lightweights are pushing 8800.

    Swiss ball is vaguely useful for developing core strength, but not really
    necessary. I don't use them so can't help much. I'd look to do front holds
    and side holds, for time. So you hold yourself off the floor lying down with
    your arms out straight as if you're about to do a push-up, your body should
    make a straight line. Use a mirror. Stay like that for time, 60s to start
    with and work up, if you get to 2' just maintain, that is a front hold. Side
    hold, lie on your side with your weight supported by your feet and one
    elbow, other arm by your side, one foot on top of the other, body makes a
    straight line, use a mirror. When you can do that for 90s go to having the
    arm supporting you being out straight so you rest on the heel of your hand,
    when you can do that for 90s have the free arm up in the air so your body
    makes a cross shape, when you can do that for 90s (which will be soon) raise
    the free leg into the air to make a star shape, if you get to 90s of that
    maintain. Do both sides. That should do you for core work, with what you get
    from the free weights.

    As far as weights work goes, what you have is only useful for one-arm rows
    (but you'll outgrow 60lbs fairly soon) and for weighting pullups. There's
    not much point trying to gain leg strength with only 60lbs weight; you'll be
    able to do 15 reps easily. More than 15 reps is strength endurance and you
    can do that on the erg.

    Find a barbell and weights. Do deadlifts. When you've done deadlifts do leg
    press if you have access to one. Then do one-arm rows with dumbbells or use
    a machine weight row thing, or whatever. Or do pullups (with a weight if
    necessary). Then do your core stability work. If you have time to fit in
    multiple sessions in a week, swap deadlifts out for squats in your second
    session of the week.

    For each exercise, do a light set of 10 to warm up (i.e. something really
    easy that your granny could do) then a moderately hard set of 10, then build
    up in sets of 5 to your maximum weight. Stop when you feel you can't
    complete another rep in good form, try to avoid actually failing to complete
    a rep. Example from me, deadlift: 60kgx10, 100x10, 120x5, 120x5, 130x5,
    130x5, 140x5, 140x3 and move to leg press.

    Technique.
    Deadlift, set up so you're gripping the bar (if grip gets to be a problem,
    which it will, google deadlift alternate grip or buy straps) about shoulder
    width apart or whatever feels comfortable. Arms straight, back in a strong
    position (NOT rounded). Squatted down a bit, how much depends on how much
    work you feel like doing with your quads. Tense your glutes and try to push
    your hips forwards, use your quads to stop them from actually going
    forwards, and the bar will come off the floor. Keep doing that and you'll be
    standing up straight, then you let the barbell down again. Don't drop it,
    but don't try to control it too much; the next rep should start from the bar
    sitting on the floor, not off the floor or with a bounce. There are a load
    of videos of powerlifters deadlifting, do what they do but without the
    really wide-spread legs that you occasionally see. Feet shouldn't be much
    more than shoulder width apart.
    Leg press: set the machine up so you start from as compressed as you can get
    without your hips rotating up off the pad at the back (or any other
    flexibility issues causing problems). You always want the weight to transfer
    through your hips not your lower back. Push, let it back down under control
    until the weight is just short of touching the stack, push again. You may
    need to use your arms on your knees to help push up the weight so that the
    reps are all hard.
    One-arm rows: rest one hand on a bench, pick the dumbbell up to the finish
    position with the other hand. Don't heave at it with the whole back, just
    move that side's shoulder and arm. If you feel you have to cheat by using
    your lower back or legs, you need to use less weight.
    Squat: bar on your back, use padding if it hurts (folded leggings), sit back
    and down until you can't go any further, stand up again. Go to either
    flexibility limit (your back must not round at the bottom) or until your
    calves touch your hams, quads touch chest. Don't bounce at the bottom.

    For both squat and deadlift you will need to practice good technique with an
    empty bar or a wood stick, find a knowledgeable bloke or use a mirror, look
    at videos of powerlifters (Google is your friend). Bear in mind that
    powerlifters do not go deep enough on squats for you and may well have their
    feet a long way apart which you don't want to do.

    As far as bodyfat goes, you don't need to be <10% until maybe 4-6 weeks
    before you need to make weight, being lean over the winter impairs your
    immune system. However if you're >12% you need to cut something out of your
    diet. Eat less, lose weight, maybe add a bit more lean meat and less pizza.
    Get caliper tests every so often until you can guess your body-fat
    percentage reasonably accurately. Come back here or use google when you need
    to make weight, bear in mind that internationals can be 4-5kg overweight
    with one week to go to weighing in, and 3kg is easy with only minimal
    dehydration (there is a trick with dietary fibre).

    Since I've written all this, I might as well cover the rest of rowing
    quickly.

    You want to be doing a lot of LSD work at this point in the season - 16/20k
    in a single scull, 18k rate 18 at UT2 pace (whatever that is for you, and it
    is NOT flat out!), that sort of thing. 30' rate 20 fits in nicely right now.
    Start early, get a good base before you go back to school. When you get to
    school, obey the coach, if he doesn't set a weights programme he should, if
    he doesn't keep following the one above, but TELL THE COACH you are doing it
    and cut back on volume or you'll get overtrained and your season will go
    down the pan. Cut back on weights as you approach race season. Weights are
    important, more strength will help you technically and with headwinds or
    pushes, but being as aerobically fit as you can be is more important.

    Technique is massively important, you probably aren't too bad if you've been
    physically weak, but even so pay attention. Try to go out in a single, in
    pairs, in doubles at every opportunity; fours, quads, eights tend to cover
    technical flaws.

    If you're interested, my (UK lwt rower) training log can be found at
    www.bodyrecomposition.com in the forums; you have to register but Lyle
    doesn't spam you, Peter Allen is my real name and hence the one I use there
    too. As you can see from it I am young and far from perfect, hopefully I
    will be less stupid with some stuff (overall volume, mainly) next year.

    Peter

  3. I remember someone posting a swiss ball workout link here I much
    regretted following.

  4. DZ said:

    I remember someone posting a swiss ball workout link here I much
    regretted following.

    There are lots of bodyweight routines as well. Matt Fury's stuff,
    Bryce Lane's, and many others. I'd google "bodyweight exercises" and
    find something there perhaps.

    - bc

  5. Alright, I'll try to cover most of your points ...

    First off, how much weight can you afford to put on? How much will you
    weigh
    at weight, what do you do to get there, which version of lightweight
    are you
    competing in (international style 70avg/72.5, BUSA 72.5, American
    college
    whateveritis?) You may need to be careful not to gain too much muscle
    early
    season.
    -------------------------
    Currently I'm sitting at about 66-67kg. I'm starting up again after a
    7 day recovery period since our summer season finished a little over a
    week ago. Actually due to the taper period before our racing it is
    more like a 14 day break since we've done tough workout, the racing not
    included. I row highschool in Canada, this is my senior year. In
    Canada there are two lightweight classes, lwt - 66kg, and mdwt - 72kg
    --- no weight averages. At this point in time I am not sure if I will
    be racing the 66, or 72kg category, but spring season is well away so
    there is plenty of time to find out.
    ------------------------
    How can a weight rom be 'out of date'? a 20kg plate is a 20kg plate. If
    the
    bars are seized up and don't spin freely then don't do cleans, but DL
    and
    squat will still be fine.

    If you need to gain strength, which from the sounds of things would
    help,
    then you will need to find time to do weights at least once a week;
    twice
    will make for better improvements and less soreness. Either you care
    and can
    find the time or you don't care enough, can't find the time and will be
    back
    of pack again, your choice. You don't need 90' anyway for rowing, 30'
    will
    do if you are quick.
    ----------------------------
    Our school gym has the neccesities such as a few olympic bars and
    plates, but there are many flaws, such as a very old and unsturdy squat
    rack which I wouldn't entrust my life in. The benches aren't in too
    bad of shape, the leg press is probaly 25 years old, and in the same
    shape as the squat rack. And in certain areas the wooden floorboards
    have gaps, and holes from years of people dropping heavy dumbbells on
    them. Its not necessarily that its out of date, but a little unsafe.

    Correct, I need to find the time, I guess I'm not looking hard
    enough. Going over my school schedule I realized I will have one 90
    minute spair a day in between classes, which should give me sufficient
    time to workout at a bettter equipped facility such as the YMCA
    ---------------------
    To do that, use normal drag factor (4-5, so 135
    measured), rate 20, 30' aiming for maximum distance covered. If that's
    not
    hard enough, rate 18. Broadly speaking, at rate 20 acceptable is

    Quoted message said:

    8000m, OK


    is 8250, good is 8500, top international lightweights are pushing 8800.

    ---------------------
    The last 30' piece I was only pulling about 7200. I'm not sure if your
    talking senior level, because I am a junior, but still I know this can
    use improving and would like to get that up to 7500+
    ---------------------
    You want to be doing a lot of LSD work at this point in the season -
    16/20k
    in a single scull, 18k rate 18 at UT2 pace (whatever that is for you,
    and it
    is NOT flat out!), that sort of thing. 30' rate 20 fits in nicely right
    now.
    Start early, get a good base before you go back to school. When you get
    to
    school, obey the coach, if he doesn't set a weights programme he
    should, if
    he doesn't keep following the one above, but TELL THE COACH you are
    doing it
    and cut back on volume or you'll get overtrained and your season will
    go
    down the pan. Cut back on weights as you approach race season. Weights
    are
    important, more strength will help you technically and with headwinds
    or
    pushes, but being as aerobically fit as you can be is more important.
    -----------------
    I've just gotten back into training this week and I've been on the C2,
    getting back into it with steady state pieces like 45 minutes, or 10km.
    I will have access to a single starting this weekend for two or three
    times a week. I would enjoy getting into pairs more this year as they
    are probaly my major weakness on the water. I sculled most of the
    summer and spring, so it would be nice to get back to sweeping for a
    bit.
    -----------------
    If you're interested, my (UK lwt rower) training log can be found at
    www.bodyrecomposition.com in the forums; you have to register but Lyle
    doesn't spam you, Peter Allen is my real name and hence the ...
    ----------------
    I checked out your log and it was very impressive. You seem to keep
    very busy and have a lot of variety. I didn't read it all but good
    luck with the rest of your try-outs for the GB squad.
    ---------------

    I have a few more questions I need to ask.

    We will be getting a new coach this year. Our old coach was a good
    guy, but sometimes I had to question his methods. We started off
    light, but by mid-winter he had us erging 8 times a week, with about
    75% of it being very long ergs, mostly 60' and up. On top of that he
    threw a 4 day split bodybuilding type weight program at us. With all
    that work something had to give, usually it was the weights after all
    of the erg work piled up alot of us burned out and didn't have the
    effort for weights. So any muscle I may have gained was burned off and
    then some due to the amount of cardio we were doing.

    I would like to have as much variety as you in your cross-training,
    but due to our long, cold winters in Canada usually a treadmill or
    stationary bike is the only option, but I guess its better than nonstop
    ergs, as it keeps things fresh. I think our old coach's method was
    mainly to get us into good shape and speed would come naturally, but
    alot of people started having injuries and got tired of the same old
    thing. Hopefully our new coach will be a little more understanding and
    we can add a little variety to our training. I have a c2 like i
    mentioned so I might throw in a few shorter pieces in the winter for a
    little extra work, and so my erg doesn't go to waste.

    So with all that being said I need to develop a weight programme,
    which I will be starting in a week. You threw out a lot of information
    with reps and sets, and different exercises, but I've tried to put
    together a program in the past but failed at it. I seem to get
    confused very easily with this sort of stuff and need it spelled out
    for me. If you would be so kind to lay-out a program, whether its a
    2day or 3day workout I would be thankful. for example something like:

    day1 - squat, leg press, bench press ---- 8 x 5
    day2- pullup, db rows, deadlift ---------- 6 x 4
    day3 ..... etc

    Pretty much something easy to read and I'll be set. I know I'm asking
    a lot with all these questions and favours to ask, but thank you for
    taking the time to answer my questions and work with me. I;ve never
    really followed a weight program religiously with time issues and
    overtraining, so I'm excited to be able to plan something I can follow,
    especially with a spair I will be having in school, I can devote enough
    time to weights.

    Thank you again for all your help and your answers

  6. Quoted message said:

    Currently I'm sitting at about 66-67kg. I'm starting up again after a
    7 day recovery period since our summer season finished a little over a
    week ago. Actually due to the taper period before our racing it is
    more like a 14 day break since we've done tough workout, the racing
    not included. I row highschool in Canada, this is my senior year. In
    Canada there are two lightweight classes, lwt - 66kg, and mdwt - 72kg
    --- no weight averages. At this point in time I am not sure if I will
    be racing the 66, or 72kg category, but spring season is well away so
    there is plenty of time to find out.

    Please learn to quote correctly, by the way - your newsreader _should_ put a

    Quoted message said:

    or similar next to each quoted line, makes it a lot easier to see which


    bit of the post is whose.

    I'd guess that you could afford to put on about 2-3kg of muscle and still
    make lightweight; unless you're still growing you're not likely to put on so
    much muscle you fall out of your medium-weight class. So you don't need to
    worry too much about trying to gain strength without getting bigger, which
    is always good.

    Quoted message said:

    Our school gym has the neccesities such as a few olympic bars and
    plates, but there are many flaws, such as a very old and unsturdy
    squat rack which I wouldn't entrust my life in. The benches aren't
    in too bad of shape, the leg press is probaly 25 years old, and in
    the same shape as the squat rack. And in certain areas the wooden
    floorboards have gaps, and holes from years of people dropping heavy
    dumbbells on them. Its not necessarily that its out of date, but a
    little unsafe.

    That's still enough to do deadlifts, dumbbell rows. If you don't trust the
    leg press then obviously don't use it, if you don't trust the squat rack
    either don't use it or make sure you don't fail.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    To do that, use normal drag factor (4-5, so 135
    measured), rate 20, 30' aiming for maximum distance covered. If that's
    not
    hard enough, rate 18. Broadly speaking, at rate 20 acceptable
    is > 8000m, OK
    is 8250, good is 8500, top international lightweights are pushing
    8800.

    The last 30' piece I was only pulling about 7200. I'm not sure if
    your talking senior level, because I am a junior, but still I know
    this can use improving and would like to get that up to 7500+

    I am talking senior level - don't know how much to take off to adjust to
    junior, sorry - and also I'm thinking of guys who are probably 6-7kg heavier
    than you; that makes a big difference. That said, I'd guess that 2:05 pace
    isn't really too challenging strength wise - correct me if I'm wrong - so
    probably to improve here you really just need to work on your aerobic
    fitness. At your age that will improve pretty easily.

    Quoted message said:

    I've just gotten back into training this week and I've been on the C2,
    getting back into it with steady state pieces like 45 minutes, or
    10km. I will have access to a single starting this weekend for two or
    three times a week. I would enjoy getting into pairs more this year
    as they are probaly my major weakness on the water. I sculled most
    of the summer and spring, so it would be nice to get back to sweeping
    for a bit.

    OK; bear in mind that the LSD work shouldn't feel massively hard, so you
    finish your distance tired, but not falling-over knackered, you should be
    able to talk to the guy on the next erg without too much difficulty. It's
    also normal to do that sort of thing in shorter blocks - 10km is a long way,
    most people prefer to get off and stretch every 6km or so.

    As regards getting out on the water - well, you know your technical needs,
    find a pairs partner when you can. Learn to swap sides if you can't already.
    Doesn't have to be one person all the time, learning to get a scratch pair
    moving is good if a bit frustrating. I'm [censored] at it, I need to improve that
    too.

    Quoted message said:

    We will be getting a new coach this year. Our old coach was a good
    guy, but sometimes I had to question his methods. We started off
    light, but by mid-winter he had us erging 8 times a week, with about
    75% of it being very long ergs, mostly 60' and up. On top of that he
    threw a 4 day split bodybuilding type weight program at us. With all
    that work something had to give, usually it was the weights after all
    of the erg work piled up alot of us burned out and didn't have the
    effort for weights. So any muscle I may have gained was burned off
    and then some due to the amount of cardio we were doing.

    I'm not really familiar with what one does when the water's frozen, but, I
    think I can kind of see what your coach was trying to do; just having more
    muscle can be helpful if you're way under weight. With the long ergs - if
    you're out on the water all week you probably end up doing more volume than
    6x60'. The difference is on the water you probably work at about UT2 or
    below naturally, if you're tired today you'll take it easier. On the erg
    with you and everyone else able to see exactly how hard you're working
    you'll tend to work harder. Which leads to burning out like you experienced.
    I'd either cover the split display or work off heart rate (which is to say I
    know I should do that, I'm occasionally stupid with my own training). You
    aren't going to win a race because you were pulling 2:04 not 2:05 in a long
    piece in the winter; all you're really doing at that stage is building up
    your capacity to do work for later in the year when you do higher intensity
    shorter pieces. You might lose races from pulling 2:04 not 2:05, though -
    get overtrained and you'll need to take time off and end up behind the
    curve.

    Quoted message said:

    I would like to have as much variety as you in your cross-training,
    but due to our long, cold winters in Canada usually a treadmill or
    stationary bike is the only option, but I guess its better than
    nonstop ergs, as it keeps things fresh. I think our old coach's
    method was mainly to get us into good shape and speed would come
    naturally, but alot of people started having injuries and got tired
    of the same old thing. Hopefully our new coach will be a little more
    understanding and we can add a little variety to our training. I
    have a c2 like i mentioned so I might throw in a few shorter pieces
    in the winter for a little extra work, and so my erg doesn't go to
    waste.

    Some of the cross-training I did (cycling to and from training,
    particularly) is not what you should be looking to copy, being as it was
    stupid and caused me to get overtrained. I have a bit of an ego problem, I
    tend to think I can do more than I actually can. Sometime, probably when I'm
    about 40 and past my peak, I might get over that.

    Really, with cross-training all you're looking for is something to make it
    easier psychologically. If you were bloody-minded enough you could get a
    good winter base from just sitting on the ergs doing lots of long pieces at
    a genuine UT2 pace. But most people will get bored, up the intensity to make
    it more interesting and get overtrained, et cetera. So doing some LSD stuff
    cross-training makes things more interesting. You maybe could do
    cross-country skiing, anything outside is more fun than just a different
    machine inside.

    The injury thing is a bit worrying - what sort of injuries were people
    getting? I'm inclined to guess a lot of lower-back issues due to the catch
    on the CII being heavy?

    Quoted message said:

    So with all that being said I need to develop a weight programme,
    which I will be starting in a week. You threw out a lot of
    information with reps and sets, and different exercises, but I've
    tried to put together a program in the past but failed at it. I seem
    to get confused very easily with this sort of stuff and need it
    spelled out for me. If you would be so kind to lay-out a program,
    whether its a 2day or 3day workout I would be thankful. for example
    something like:

    Day 1:
    Deadlifts, set of 10 at an easy weight to warm up. Set of 10 at a moderate
    weight W. For me this is 100kg.
    2x5 with 120% of W. (120kg for me)
    2x5 with 130% of W. (130kg for me)
    2x5 with 140% of W. (140kg for me, I stopped after the first set of 5 at
    140kg)
    ...
    Repeat until you do not think you can complete another set of 5 in good
    form. Aim to complete 5-6 sets of 5; you'll need to increase W as you get
    stronger.
    Do not try to lift the bar if you're not sure about it. Monitor your form,
    if your form gets poor then stop. Being macho will get you injured, doing a
    bit less work than planned occasionally won't hurt you.
    You may find your grip is a problem, if so use an alternate grip (google it)
    or buy straps.]

    Leg press, same deal. Set of 10 with easy weight, 10 with moderate weight,
    et cetera. Increment by less than 10% (say 5%), aim to complete 8 or so sets
    of 5; leg press is less tiring than deadlift. If you really don't trust the
    leg press then don't use it, go straight to one-arm row.

    One-arm row, skip the easy set of 10, and aim to complete 3 or so sets of 5.
    If one arm is stronger than the other, do not use heavier dumbbells for that
    side. Use the same weight both sides, even if it's really easy on one side.

    Front hold, side hold on each side, work through for time in the sequence I
    suggested in the previous post.

    If you feel your abs or hip flexors need work (unlikely) then maybe throw in
    some situps at the end.

    The percentages don't have to be exact, just select the nearest convenient
    weight to 120% if 120% turns out to be some inconvenient number.

    Day 2:
    down the YMCA. Squats, same rep/set scheme as deadlifts, again good form is
    all-important.
    Leg press, one-arm rows, front and side holds as in Day 1. 3x10 bench
    presses with a not-too-heavy weight, just to balance all the pulling work
    you're doing.

    If you want to get pullups in, drop one-arm rows out of one of the days. Try
    to get a comparable volume with pullups.

    If you find you have time and energy for a Day 3, then repeat Day 1. I
    suspect you won't, though, 2 days a week will be enough. Try to keep the
    days reasonably well apart so you have time to recover. Bear in mind that if
    you have grip trouble with deadlifts, you will probably not row brilliantly
    for 36 hours or so after Day 1 as your forearms will be tired. Straps will
    help here.

    Finally, if you are getting tired or burned, cut back on the weights. Drop
    leg presses out of one of the days, drop Day 2 entirely, drop weights
    entirely. Or cut back on a bit of the LSD work, but bear in mind that being
    really strong will not help you past 250m unless you have the fitness to go
    with it. If you can, buy a heart rate monitor, keep a plot of your heart
    rate first thing in the morning (if you can remember, I always forget until
    about 5 minutes later when I'm already up and moving), watch your heart rate
    during your long ergs. If your morning heart rate is up from normal you may
    be about to get ill, don't work so hard that day. If you find that you can't
    produce your normal splits on the erg without your heart rate going above
    normal, then you may be getting ill or burning out, cut some sessions and
    get it back to normal.

    Peter

  7. Thanks alot Peter for all the help, and aiding me in clearing out
    some problems. Now its time to get into the program and making some
    strength gains.

    To reply to your question about injuries, yes most people were
    injuring their lower backs. One guy injured himself about two years
    ago, and even with all of the physio and chiropractic work he has done
    that same injury still seems to haunt him. In most cases the injury is
    their own fault because they either don't warm up well enough or they
    use too much upper body in their stroke.

    You mentioned that the front hold and side hold should be held for a
    certain amount of time, I re-read your message and couldn't find the
    specific period. Could you please give me that info again?

    And finally, should this program be continued throughout the season?
    Is there a certain time in the year that I should switch my focus to
    (eg. strength endurance) or will working on strength levels be more
    important to keep up throughout the fall and winter?

    Thank you again for your help and generosity. Good luck with your
    future endeavours and goals in rowing.

    -Brendan

    PS: Do you mind if I email you to inform you of my updates and other
    questions I might have later?

    thanks again

  8. Quoted message said:

    Thanks alot Peter for all the help, and aiding me in clearing out
    some problems. Now its time to get into the program and making some
    strength gains.

    To reply to your question about injuries, yes most people were
    injuring their lower backs. One guy injured himself about two years
    ago, and even with all of the physio and chiropractic work he has done
    that same injury still seems to haunt him. In most cases the injury
    is their own fault because they either don't warm up well enough or
    they use too much upper body in their stroke.

    That and don't push the drag level up past 5 on the CIIs even if it feels
    better to do so. If anything hurts, use level 1 for a bit, it'll help with
    quickness anyway. Basic problem is that the catch in a rowing boat, even a
    single, is much lighter than with the CII.

    Quoted message said:

    You mentioned that the front hold and side hold should be held for a
    certain amount of time, I re-read your message and couldn't find the
    specific period. Could you please give me that info again?

    As long as you can; when you hit 90s for the side hold move up to the next
    level of difficulty (see original post) by doing a different posture. When
    you get to 2' just maintain there, no point holding for more than 2'. Do the
    same posture and length of time for side hold on each side - keep everything
    balanced.

    Quoted message said:

    And finally, should this program be continued throughout the season?
    Is there a certain time in the year that I should switch my focus to
    (eg. strength endurance) or will working on strength levels be more
    important to keep up throughout the fall and winter?

    Strength endurance will come from the LSD work, which you _should_ be doing
    at a low stroke rate, like 18 or 20. When you get towards race season you'll
    almost certainly need to change the weights programme; you'll want to think
    about what you're going to weigh in at, whether you still need more strength
    to improve your rowing, whether keeping doing the weights work is making it
    hard to do the high-intensity pieces (it may be, and those pieces are more
    important). You may also want to change the weights work if you think
    there's one thing you particularly need to work on, or if you get too tired
    you may need to cut back. Keep thinking about the whole programme, what
    you're doing and why. Ask the coach if you don't understand something, ask
    here or wherever if the answer's no use.

    Quoted message said:

    Thank you again for your help and generosity. Good luck with your
    future endeavours and goals in rowing.

    Thanks - you too.

    Quoted message said:


    PS: Do you mind if I email you to inform you of my updates and other
    questions I might have later?

    Suggest you use this newsgroup, or PM me over at bodyrecomposition if you
    want a valid email address. The email address I supposedly post from never
    gets checked (and I think hotmail will have cancelled it by now). Please
    don't start asking me questions about rowing technique, though - too many
    different styles work, I'm not a very technical guy myself, and I'm not
    going to try to coach over the internet as I'll probably screw it up.

    Peter

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