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  1. What are the thoughts on block training? Is it necessary to focus on one fitness aspect (LT, VO2, AC, etc.) at a time for several days in order to achieve sufficient stress for the body to overcompensate in its adaptation? If I'm training each fitness aspect for 1 week (for example) at a time, do the other fitness aspects lose their gains during the couple weeks before I get back to them? Do the answers differ between the different fitness aspects? Is there a 'right' amount of time to focus on each one? Is this all a bunch of mumbo-jumbo, and a typical week that encompasses visits to each fitness aspect is just as good an approach?

    Discuss. 🙂

  2. I'll be interested to hear the coaches scientific answers on this one.

    Speaking from 15 years of racing experience (cat 1 since 1997), most training blocks I ever did were no different than doing a stage race. Basically a block for me was anything 3+ days that gave me a bit of everything within a bunch of miles.

    Ask any Classics guy or one day racer. 5-10 day stage races give them the neccessary stimulus to achieve greater power, strength, endurance, speed, etc, for all their big one day races down the road. And all that without having to mentally push themselves day after day for a week back home (quite often alone).

    I found the form I would get from one week efforts like this, paid dividends for the next two months. Yes, you'll be a bit tired for a few days after and require a bit more sleep, but soon the "natural juice" kicks in, and your off.

    Specific answer to your question. Don't work on just one aspect of your training at a time. Get everything you can out of the block. And make it last at least 3 days. Also, make sure your life is set up properly for recovery. Nothing worse than digging yourself a into a overtraining hole.
    🙂

  3. 5-10 day stage racing isn't really an option for me. I'm wondering primarily about the 1-3 hr focused training rides that most people would do a few times a week.

    What I'm understanding from block training is that workouts with a specific ride goal (e.g. increase VO2 Max) would be grouped together to ensure sufficient acute strain on the affected system(s) to force an adaptation or overcompensation. That approach would be in contrast to rotating workouts in a regular fashion (Endurance --> LT intervals --> Endurance --> VO2 Intervals --> Sprint Power --> Endurance, etc.).

  4. You can block train one energy system at a time or apply the block theory in others more "general" ways.

    As was mentioned stage racing is a block too and results in improved fitness.

    PURE block training will focus on one energy system at a time. David Morris, exercise physiologist and coach of several national champs likes the PURE approach and has written a book about it.

    It's a great way to train if you don't have a lot of time to train.

    It's a great way to train really hard more frequently and geyt away with it.

    It's a great way to improve an "energy system".. and especially effective at increasing power at LT and VO2 max.

    ......please read on.....

    Classic block training has you train hard for 2-3 days in a row followed by an EQUAL TIME of recovery which includes very short recovery rides(30-60 minutes) with a HR below your endurance range and off day.

    AT A MINIMUM after 2 hard days you take 1-2 days off. After 3 hard days you need at least 2 days off. You have to be in tune with your body. Masters riders and very young riders should always be sure to make rest days equal to work days.

    Rest time also depends on how hard you have worked to some degree. ie: when working very hard at sustainable power at threshold or when working hard at trying to increase your VO2 max and power at VO2 max then I would make the rest days equal the work days.
    After doing killer group rides Saturday and Sunday then I would take two full days of recovery.

    Here's a quote from David Morris in regard to rest days after an interval block.
    "Remember, improvement in work capacity requires hard work and periods of rest and recovery. Thus, you should follow each block of interval work with an equal number of days complete rest or easy recovery rides."

    The chart he posted mixed VO2 max intervals with anaerobic intervals......It had 4 min intervals on day one then 2 minute intervals on day two followed by an off day than a recovery ride day for an hour.......then 4 min intervals again followed by 3 minute intervals the next day and then 1 minute intervals the next day and ending it all with two easy/off days and a day of recovery riding for an hour.

    Be sure that you have recovered because the "Golden Fleece" of block trianing, as with any good program, is RECOVERY. It is during the recovery time that your body gets stronger. It is RECOVERY that most guys don't get right as most of us are willing and do train HARD and are even willing to sit on the trainer at 5am when "the wife" is still in bed, to do so. 🙂

    Generally training load is REDUCED a bit as the training block progresses...but not always.

    Early in the year I would focus on building a big aerobic base with endurance rides in blocks. You can do some LT work after a month or so but your focus should be endurance.
    Sprinting is done year round on one day, but with more focus "in season".

    Next focus on building sustainable power at threshold with blocks but keep your endurance hours high. Do this for at least 6 weeks. Endurance time can be tacked onto LT days.
    Start doing some hardish group rides.

    Next focus more on building power at VO2 max with blocks. Along with LT work this work is the most important a racer can do...and dare I say even more important than LT work.
    Some LT work remains and can be tacked unto VO2 days.
    Endurance time is reduced but take one long endurance ride a week and or tack endurance time onto the VO2 days.
    Hard group ride once a week.
    Do some very high intensity pure anaerobic type intervals...ie: 1 min repeats....to work your anaerobic system. They can be tacked unto lower volume VO2 days.
    You might even need to do some specific blocks of these intervals if anaerobic fitness is a weakness.
    Sprinters can do blocks of sprinting days....YUK!
    All of us can tack them onto other days.

    In season.....what you do depends on how much you race.
    Racing works all energy systems of course.
    But between races VO2 max intervals are important as is some LT work and anaerobic interval work.
    Sprinting becomes more important as well.
    Endurance time is at it's lowest and you may need an endurance focus for a couple weeks mid season or when you ae not racing much.

    Here is a quote form Tim Crowley CTS coach

    "Block training- This training concept is quite popular for elite cyclist and multi sport athletes. Simplified, block training combines several (usually 2-3) quality training days, followed by an equal amount or more days of recovery. Hard training on Saturday and Sunday can be followed by 2 days of recovery. Another 1 or 2 quality days mid week can round out the training week. This is an effective method of increasing the total minutes of quality training in the week without over reaching or over training."

    Here is a quote from Carmichael....

    whe talking about workout and recovery days he says......"this can mean alternating workout days and recovery days one for one, or applying trianing load over two or three consecutive days and then allowing one or two days for recovery"

    "After giving athletes appropriate recovery time, I found that the consecutive days of load lead to greater training adaptations"

    David Morris says this about PURE block training.....focusing on one energy system at a time

    ....."involves training very hard for several days in a row and then reating for several days to allow the body to recover and super compensate. Frequently, to increase the training stress on the body, the same types of workouts are performed on each day of the training blocks. The theory behind block training is that overloading a single system and then allowing adequate rest will cause the system to supercompensate more than with traditional training strategies"

    **Don't forget a recovery week every 4th week...or 6th tops.

    Good luck

  5. TiMan said:

    PURE block training will focus on one energy system at a time. David Morris, exercise physiologist and coach of several national champs likes the PURE approach and has written a book about it.

    Do you have a link to any articles or studies by him? I'd be interested in reading some about his ideas.

    TiMan said:

    Here is a quote form Tim Crowley CTS coach

    "Block training- This training concept is quite popular for elite cyclist and multi sport athletes. Simplified, block training combines several (usually 2-3) quality training days, followed by an equal amount or more days of recovery. Hard training on Saturday and Sunday can be followed by 2 days of recovery. Another 1 or 2 quality days mid week can round out the training week. This is an effective method of increasing the total minutes of quality training in the week without over reaching or over training."

    Can you elaborate on how this allows more minutes of quality training without overtraining? I would think that training in blocks would put more stress on the body at one time, and would require *more* recovery than a more homogenous training schedule. 😕

    TiMan said:

    David Morris says this about PURE block training.....

    ....."involves training very hard for several days in a row and then reating for several days to allow the body to recover and super compensate. Frequently, to increase the training stress on the body, the same types of workouts are performed on each day of the training blocks. The theory behind block training is that overloading a single system and then allowing adequate rest will cause the system to supercompensate more than with traditional training strategies"

    Now we're talkin', but does it work? And does it matter which system we're talking about (LT, VO2, anaerobic, etc.)? And what happens to those systems when the blocks are focused on *another* system?

  6. frenchyge said:

    Do you have a link to any articles or studies by him? I'd be interested in reading some about his ideas.

    Can you elaborate on how this allows more minutes of quality training without overtraining? I would think that training in blocks would put more stress on the body at one time, and would require *more* recovery than a more homogenous training schedule. 😕

    Now we're talkin', but does it work? And does it matter which system we're talking about (LT, VO2, anaerobic, etc.)? And what happens to those systems when the blocks are focused on *another* system?

    Check my post again as I added to it bro.....

    I got his book...sorry no links. Go to Amazon.com and get it. I don't agree with everything he says....ie: focusing on VO2 max intervals and anaerobic intervals BEFORE a lacate threshold focus.... he switches these two .

    Block training does put more stress on the body but then it allows for full recovery. It is also not necessarily based on a a 7 day work week. The typical work week often forces us to train when we shouldn't be training.
    Many more traditional programs simply do not allow for enough recovery and thus training intensity and or volume cannot be increased as effectively or even drops off.

    With PURE block trianing you can train hard 4 days out of seven and get away with it because of the way the rest days are placed. ie: Intervals MON-TUES-WED and then rest/recovery THUR-FRI and SAT....then SUN you start the intervals again.
    Try doing 4 days of intervals in a week in a more traditional program and you'll be toast in a few weeks unless your on drugs.

    Yes it does work and very well at that.
    It does not matter what energy system is focused on. But I wouldn't do sprints more than two days in a row.

    Other energy systems do suffer a bit if you are doing PURE block training. The higher energy system do stimulate lower system to some degree though....ie: VO2 max intervals will stimulate the pure aerobic system and LT system.
    It's important to build a big aerobic base first though.

    You can " tack on" other energy system work to the system that you are focusing on. ie: some LT work AFTER your intervals....but be careful not to get carried away with the total volume.....

    After I have built a good base, I work on my LT for a while but still keep endurance hours prety high.... then I focus more on VO2 max blocks but I always include some LT and endurance work at this time.

    Also, group rides should be done once a week starting in about mid March and they work all systems. I personally always do one hard group ride per week starting in March and try to fit any block training around the ride or include it as a block day. ie: it can be counted as a VO2 max day if there are typically a lot of hard long surges....or it can be counted as a LT day if it is earlier in the year with a focus on long quick pace.

  7. TiMan said:

    You can block train one energy system at a time or apply the block theory in others more "general" ways.

    As was mentioned stage racing is a block too and results in improved fitness.

    PURE block training will focus on one energy system at a time. David Morris,...

    ...**Don't forget a recovery week every 4th week...or 6th tops.

    Good luck

    TiMan

    as a long time mountain biker (and a new roadie) ...and someone who is quite new to "training" it is nice to have what i have heard/read reinforced so well!

    I feel like i am finally on the right path to cycling improvements

    cheers

    jbd

  8. Great topic and thanks for typing all of that up TiMan! Any training method that offers a better bang for the buck is always worth looking into.

    Hopefully more if the "in the know" crowd will keep the thread going for a while so I can lurke. 😄

  9. Doctor Morbius said:

    Hopefully more if the "in the know" crowd will keep the thread going for a while so I can lurke. 😄


    Yeah, I'd like to see some evidence/studies that would either support or refute the claims of the pro-block coaches/authors. It seems like everyone has their 'super secret weapon'... 🙄

  10. frenchyge said:

    Yeah, I'd like to see some evidence/studies that would either support or refute the claims of the pro-block coaches/authors. It seems like everyone has their 'super secret weapon'... 🙄

    I don't belive in 'super secret weapons' but I do belive that some training methods work better for some riders than for others. According to C. Carmichael, George Hincapie is one of those that responds well to block training.

    I've found through trial and error that I seem to respond well to something like the following:

    Monday: Intervals (3x3 if a short day, 2 x 15 if a longer day)
    Tuesday: Intervals or Time Trial effort (30 or 60 Min TT)
    ** I almost always seem to do better on a TT effort if it follows intervals
    Wed: Off
    Thursday: 90 min at 70% MaxHR type effort
    Friday: 2 - 3 hours at Tempo (78% - 82%)
    Sat & Sun: Off

    If I'm doing base type work I just do 75% steady state for 1.5 - 2.0 hours Mon - Thurs on the trainer and take 3 days off. 3 weeks worth followed by a lighter week. I've noticed that if I do base work on the trainer I get more out of it than if I do the same effort outdoors. Seem to get more soreness in the quads via the trainer and also seem to feel more fatigued (much more in fact) at the end of that 4 day period.

    While this may not be Block Training in its rigid definition, it has helped. Also, I'll focus on one type of training (either base or intervals) for a month at a time.

  11. frenchyge said:

    Yeah, I'd like to see some evidence/studies that would either support or refute the claims of the pro-block coaches/authors. It seems like everyone has their 'super secret weapon'... 🙄

    Bro....the "secret weapon" is staying one step ahead of the doping tests. 🙁 a-la Dr. Ferarri
    But the main secret weapon is genetics and the time to train full time. :o

    There is really nothing very much in the way of "new" in training. ie: Guimard was block training Hinualt 25 years ago. What we do have nowadays is a lot of "studies" with a lot more solid info to back up what was known through trial and error.

  12. What about "mini-block" training within a normal week. For instance, if you're focusing on vo2max but want also want to work threshold, would it be better to do two days in a row of vo2max, 2 days off, and then a day of threshold? Or would it be better to just spread out three days of intervals.

  13. whoawhoa said:

    What about "mini-block" training within a normal week. For instance, if you're focusing on vo2max but want also want to work threshold, would it be better to do two days in a row of vo2max, 2 days off, and then a day of threshold? Or would it be better to just spread out three days of intervals.

    Sure you can mix it up.
    I have done two days of VO2 max intervals....then two days of recovery....then two days of LT work...two days off.

    I have often done LT work after VO2 max intervals too...but not a great deal of LT volume.

  14. whoawhoa said:

    What about "mini-block" training within a normal week. For instance, if you're focusing on vo2max but want also want to work threshold, would it be better to do two days in a row of vo2max, 2 days off, and then a day of threshold? Or would it be better to just spread out three days of intervals.

    Sure you can mix it up.
    I have done two days of VO2 max intervals....then two days of recovery....then two days of LT work...two days off.

    I have often done LT work after VO2 max intervals too...but not a great deal of LT volume.

    You can also do two a day workouts.....VO2 max in the am and then LT in the afternoon after eating, resting and maybe a nap.

    When you mix it up or two a days always do the most intense stuff first in the workout or in the day.

  15. It would be nice if Ric and company, and Mr Coggan, would chime in on this thread.....I for one would like to you what these exercise physiologists/coaches think....and what there experience has been with this type of training

    :o

  16. TiMan said:

    It would be nice if Ric and company, and Mr Coggan, would chime in on this thread.....I for one would like to you what these exercise physiologists/coaches think....and what there experience has been with this type of training

    :o

    Yes, it would. 😄

    I'd hate to see this thread die so soon. Perhaps other forum members aren't as interested in block training for some reason.

  17. i too would like to see this thread continue. on one hand you hear coaches
    talk about doing hard workouts only when fresh, and some saying do
    3 or 4 days in a row and then riding easy for as many days. interesting to
    hear different opinions.
    tarv

  18. Surely there are some studies of block training vs. alternative HIT protocols. biker-linz seems to have a good library. Maybe we can get Lindsay to weigh in on block training evidence.

  19. I was thinking about my training for cyclocross this year, and I'm considering doing blocks during weeks of racing. Like, race Sunday, intervals monday and tuesday. Then I have four days off before the next race, and still get three intense days in a week. Sound good to people?

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