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  1. I had some Daytona 9 speed shifters, Racing T cranks, and a Racing T
    rear derailleur. I got some new Chorus 10 speed shifters, a Centaur 10
    speed cassette, and a record 10s chain, keeping the Racing T crankset
    and rear derailleur.

    On the bench, it's perfect. No noise, smooth and wonderful. On the
    road, whenever any power is applied, I hear noise I believe coming from
    the rear derailleur. I can feel it resonating on the chain, but I
    can't tell where it's coming from. The noise is similar to when your
    front derailleur needs to be trimmed, only instead of metal on metal,
    it's a metal on plastic sound coming more from the rear of the bike.

    The Racing T rear derailleur says 9 speed on it, do I need pulleys or
    something for it to make it quiet? Anything else I might be missing?

  2. Quoted message said:

    I had some Daytona 9 speed shifters, Racing T cranks, and a Racing T
    rear derailleur. I got some new Chorus 10 speed shifters, a Centaur 10
    speed cassette, and a record 10s chain, keeping the Racing T crankset
    and rear derailleur.

    On the bench, it's perfect. No noise, smooth and wonderful. On the
    road, whenever any power is applied, I hear noise I believe coming from
    the rear derailleur. I can feel it resonating on the chain, but I
    can't tell where it's coming from. The noise is similar to when your
    front derailleur needs to be trimmed, only instead of metal on metal,
    it's a metal on plastic sound coming more from the rear of the bike.

    The Racing T rear derailleur says 9 speed on it, do I need pulleys or
    something for it to make it quiet? Anything else I might be missing?

    you most likely need 10sp jockey wheels.

    http://www.branfordbike.com/campy/campy.html#RearDerailleurs

  3. Quoted message said:

    I had some Daytona 9 speed shifters, Racing T cranks, and a Racing T
    rear derailleur. I got some new Chorus 10 speed shifters, a Centaur 10
    speed cassette, and a record 10s chain, keeping the Racing T crankset
    and rear derailleur.

    On the bench, it's perfect. No noise, smooth and wonderful. On the
    road, whenever any power is applied, I hear noise I believe coming from
    the rear derailleur. I can feel it resonating on the chain, but I
    can't tell where it's coming from. The noise is similar to when your
    front derailleur needs to be trimmed, only instead of metal on metal,
    it's a metal on plastic sound coming more from the rear of the bike.

    The Racing T rear derailleur says 9 speed on it, do I need pulleys or
    something for it to make it quiet? Anything else I might be missing?

    You are missing something. No need to change anything. In fact the
    pulleys are "9-10'...Perhaps a slighly bent der hanger or worn out rear
    derailleur? Hard to tell w/o seeing/hearing it. I have done this
    upgrade more than a few times w/o any issues.

  4. Eric Hill said:


    you most likely need 10sp jockey wheels.

    http://www.branfordbike.com/campy/campy.html#RearDerailleurs

    Once more my buddies at Branford selling somethin not needed. Look at
    the most modern Campag jockey wheels...see they say '9-10' on them?

  5. Qui si parla Campagnolo said:

    You are missing something. No need to change anything. In fact the
    pulleys are "9-10'...Perhaps a slighly bent der hanger or worn out rear
    derailleur? Hard to tell w/o seeing/hearing it. I have done this
    upgrade more than a few times w/o any issues.

    I've read about the upgrade and believe that it should work. The
    derailleur looks perfectly straight. The feel and noise is the same as
    if the upper jockey wheel is touching the cassette. It isn't. I have
    the b-limit screw all the way in. Nothing seems to be amiss. Could my
    jockey wheels be worn such that they are causing a problem? The chain
    from the cassette through the jockey wheels are perfectly vertical, so
    I assume my dropout is straight. Never been in a crash or anything.

    Also, can you re-use the pin that comes with the record chain? I think
    I'd like to take out one more link, but they only provided one pin.
    The Dura-Ace chains come with two, so i was wondering if the pin can be
    used again?

    Lastly, my rear derailleur is now VERY close the the spokes when in the
    biggest cog. How close? I'd estimate a skosh over 1/16". Normal?

  6. Quoted message said:
    Qui si parla Campagnolo said:

    You are missing something. No need to change anything. In fact the
    pulleys are "9-10'...Perhaps a slighly bent der hanger or worn out rear
    derailleur? Hard to tell w/o seeing/hearing it. I have done this
    upgrade more than a few times w/o any issues.

    I've read about the upgrade and believe that it should work. The
    derailleur looks perfectly straight. The feel and noise is the same as
    if the upper jockey wheel is touching the cassette. It isn't. I have
    the b-limit screw all the way in. Nothing seems to be amiss. Could my
    jockey wheels be worn such that they are causing a problem?

    Could be. A longer b limit screw or perhaps a link tot long of a chain?

    The chain

    Quoted message said:

    from the cassette through the jockey wheels are perfectly vertical, so
    I assume my dropout is straight. Never been in a crash or anything.

    Also, can you re-use the pin that comes with the record chain?

    No-Use a Wipperman 10s link.

    I think

    Quoted message said:

    I'd like to take out one more link, but they only provided one pin.
    The Dura-Ace chains come with two, so i was wondering if the pin can be
    used again?

    Lastly, my rear derailleur is now VERY close the the spokes when in the
    biggest cog. How close? I'd estimate a skosh over 1/16". Normal?

    yes, normal. As long as you can't push on the der body, with the bike
    in the stand, when in the biggest cog and it won't tickle the spokes.

  7. Qui si parla Campagnolo said:
    Quoted message said:

    I had some Daytona 9 speed shifters, Racing T cranks, and a Racing T
    rear derailleur. I got some new Chorus 10 speed shifters, a Centaur 10
    speed cassette, and a record 10s chain, keeping the Racing T crankset
    and rear derailleur.

    On the bench, it's perfect. No noise, smooth and wonderful. On the
    road, whenever any power is applied, I hear noise I believe coming from
    the rear derailleur. I can feel it resonating on the chain, but I
    can't tell where it's coming from. The noise is similar to when your
    front derailleur needs to be trimmed, only instead of metal on metal,
    it's a metal on plastic sound coming more from the rear of the bike.

    The Racing T rear derailleur says 9 speed on it, do I need pulleys or
    something for it to make it quiet? Anything else I might be missing?

    You are missing something. No need to change anything. In fact the
    pulleys are "9-10'...Perhaps a slighly bent der hanger or worn out rear
    derailleur? Hard to tell w/o seeing/hearing it. I have done this
    upgrade more than a few times w/o any issues.

    Well, I got it working. I went to the store and bought some 10s
    pulleys. The pulleys themselves say 9s/10s on them as stated above;
    however, the silver bushings on the 10s pulleys are stamped 10s, while
    the ones on my Racing-T unit has no markings. After swapping the
    pulleys, the noise is gone. I wonder if the 10s silver washer-esque
    things are slightly thinner, allowing more float or something? It
    could have been my previous pulleys were really worn as I've always
    used a dura-ace chain with the sram gold link.

    I committed a cardinal sin by upgrading to 10s right before a 3 day
    ride through the mountains. I'm happy to report that I did not
    experience a single mis-shift or any noise.

  8. [email hidden] wrote:
    r, the silver bushings on the 10s pulleys are stamped 10s, while

    Quoted message said:

    the ones on my Racing-T unit has no markings. After swapping the
    pulleys, the noise is gone. I wonder if the 10s silver washer-esque
    things are slightly thinner, allowing more float or something? It
    could have been my previous pulleys were really worn as I've always
    used a dura-ace chain with the sram gold link.

    I committed a cardinal sin by upgrading to 10s right before a 3 day
    ride through the mountains. I'm happy to report that I did not
    experience a single mis-shift or any noise.

    Glad it's working for you.

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