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  1. Are you thinking of trying a gallbladder flush . There are many out there ,
    the one that worked for me and others I know was the olive oil and
    grapefruit juice . I had great success with it and got rid of hundreds of
    stones as did others I know . I do the flush at least twice a year . I have
    gone from pain , sickness and feeling constantly bloated to feeling great ,
    my gallbladder attacks disappeared after the first flush I did three years
    ago and have never returned . It certainly gave me a new lease on life ,
    check it if you are wondering and make up your own mind about it .

    Cheers

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  2. "Bew" <qw@nonamewhatsover> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Are you thinking of trying a gallbladder flush . There are many out there


    ,

    Quoted message said:

    the one that worked for me and others I know was the olive oil and
    grapefruit juice . I had great success with it and got rid of hundreds of
    stones as did others I know . I do the flush at least twice a year . I


    have

    Quoted message said:

    gone from pain , sickness and feeling constantly bloated to feeling great


    ,

    Quoted message said:

    my gallbladder attacks disappeared after the first flush I did three years
    ago and have never returned . It certainly gave me a new lease on life ,
    check it if you are wondering and make up your own mind about it .

    That may be your problem, you are merely leasing your life. I own mine.

  3. In article said:

    Are you thinking of trying a gallbladder flush . There are many out there ,
    the one that worked for me and others I know was the olive oil and
    grapefruit juice . I had great success with it and got rid of hundreds of
    stones

    No, you got rid of hundreds of little blobs made up of the junk you
    took to get rid of the gallstones. Gallstones are tiny little things
    that look like bits of gravel. They aren't big fatty blobs.

    -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
    These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
    "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
    were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

  4. (You should speak to someone in here who did a flush and found out later
    that his bladder was still full of stones)
    He reported pain relief though.
    Anth

    "Bew" <qw@nonamewhatsover> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Are you thinking of trying a gallbladder flush . There are many out there


    ,

    Quoted message said:

    the one that worked for me and others I know was the olive oil and
    grapefruit juice . I had great success with it and got rid of hundreds of
    stones as did others I know . I do the flush at least twice a year . I


    have

    Quoted message said:

    gone from pain , sickness and feeling constantly bloated to feeling great


    ,

    Quoted message said:

    my gallbladder attacks disappeared after the first flush I did three years
    ago and have never returned . It certainly gave me a new lease on life ,
    check it if you are wondering and make up your own mind about it .

    Cheers

    ---

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  5. (Best thing would be some kind of scan before and after)
    I'd like to see someone actually take these stones and mail them off to a
    lab to see what indeed they are.
    Anth

    "Anth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    (You should speak to someone in here who did a flush and found out later
    that his bladder was still full of stones)
    He reported pain relief though.
    Anth

    "Bew" <qw@nonamewhatsover> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Are you thinking of trying a gallbladder flush . There are many out


    there

    Quoted message said:

    ,

    Quoted message said:

    the one that worked for me and others I know was the olive oil and
    grapefruit juice . I had great success with it and got rid of hundreds


    of

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    stones as did others I know . I do the flush at least twice a year . I


    have

    Quoted message said:

    gone from pain , sickness and feeling constantly bloated to feeling


    great

    Quoted message said:

    ,

    Quoted message said:

    my gallbladder attacks disappeared after the first flush I did three


    years

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    ago and have never returned . It certainly gave me a new lease on life ,
    check it if you are wondering and make up your own mind about it .

    Cheers

    ---

    Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
    Version: 6.0.592 / Virus Database: 375 - Release Date: 18/02/2004

  6. Anth said:

    (Best thing would be some kind of scan before and after)
    I'd like to see someone actually take these stones and mail them off to a
    lab to see what indeed they are.
    Anth

    Exactamundo ! Scanning before and after !

    You are on the right track about the "stone" testing.

    --

    Take out the G'RBAGE to reply
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  7. Curious...has nobody out there done any definitive serious testing in
    this area to determine whether there is any value in "stone flushing" or
    whether its devotees are several salami slices short of a sandwich? What
    about all that Government CAM money research? Doesn't seem like this
    would be rocket science...or would it? Or maybe the product
    sellers//practioners would rather this info not be known?

  8. In article <[email hidden]>,

    (David Wright) said:
    In article said:

    Are you thinking of trying a gallbladder flush . There are many out there ,
    the one that worked for me and others I know was the olive oil and
    grapefruit juice . I had great success with it and got rid of hundreds of
    stones

    No, you got rid of hundreds of little blobs made up of the junk you
    took to get rid of the gallstones. Gallstones are tiny little things
    that look like bits of gravel. They aren't big fatty blobs.

    Cholesterol gallstones can be a bit crumbly and deformable, but most
    gallstones are not.

    --
    Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
    |
    |"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
    | inconvenience me with questions?"

  9. Would require controlled testing and double blind studies. This may cost up
    to one million dollars to perform. The medical control people have made sure
    that "no money" medical procedures are never tested so they can keep putting
    them down and disputing them successfully to the ignorant people.

    <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Curious...has nobody out there done any definitive serious testing in
    this area to determine whether there is any value in "stone flushing" or
    whether its devotees are several salami slices short of a sandwich? What
    about all that Government CAM money research? Doesn't seem like this
    would be rocket science...or would it? Or maybe the product
    sellers//practioners would rather this info not be known?

    .

  10. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Anth said:

    (Best thing would be some kind of scan before and after)
    I'd like to see someone actually take these stones and mail them off to a
    lab to see what indeed they are.

    You mean alties haven't already done this? It would seem to be a VERY
    obvious thing to do to see if these flushes are working, as would a
    before-and-after set of ultrasounds or CT scans. Why haven't such things
    been done? A positive result for such things would at least be
    preliminary evidence that these flushes *might* work, but I've yet to
    see an altie show even evidence that rudimentary.

    --
    Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
    |
    |"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
    | inconvenience me with questions?"

  11. In article <[email hidden]>,

    WB said:
    Anth said:

    (Best thing would be some kind of scan before and after)
    I'd like to see someone actually take these stones and mail them off to a
    lab to see what indeed they are.
    Anth

    Exactamundo ! Scanning before and after !

    You are on the right track about the "stone" testing.

    The next step for him is to start wondering WHY such blindingly obvious
    studies either have not been done or are never mentioned by proponents
    of gallbladder flushes. If he reaches that point, there may be hope for
    him yet.

    --
    Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
    |
    |"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
    | inconvenience me with questions?"

  12. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Quoted message said:

    Curious...has nobody out there done any definitive serious testing in
    this area to determine whether there is any value in "stone flushing" or
    whether its devotees are several salami slices short of a sandwich? What
    about all that Government CAM money research? Doesn't seem like this
    would be rocket science...or would it? Or maybe the product
    sellers//practioners would rather this info not be known?

    As I said to Anth, once you start wondering WHY such blindingly obvious
    studies either haven't been done or are never mentioned by devotees of
    gallbladder flushes, you have started on the road
    to--shudder--scientific questioning of alt-med claims. Just a little
    further, and you can join us on the Dark Side. ;-)

    --
    Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
    |
    |"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
    | inconvenience me with questions?"

  13. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Gymmy Bob said:

    Would require controlled testing and double blind studies.

    Eventually, but not necessarily right off the bat.

    Quoted message said:

    This may cost up
    to one million dollars to perform.

    Preliminary studies wouldn't. (See below.)

    Quoted message said:

    The medical control people have made sure
    that "no money" medical procedures are never tested so they can keep putting
    them down and disputing them successfully to the ignorant people.

    What alties seem to forget is that controlled studies are the last step
    in developing evidence for a treatment. Before that, you have to do
    preliminary studies to determine if the controlled studies are even
    worth pursuing. If the preliminary studies are promising, THEN the
    randomized studies become worthwhile. Often, these preliminary studies
    are not all that expensive. Certainly, in the case of gallbladder
    flushes, it would be relatively inexpensive.

    One preliminary study would actually be fairly easy and straightforward.
    It wouldn't even be that expensive and could probably be done for maybe
    $10,000 or $20,000, depending on the number of patients used. You would
    need a group of patients with symptomatic gallstones documented by
    ultrasound and whatever other medical tests were appropriate. You could
    choose a group that was going to undergo surgery anyway, but have them
    delay their surgery a few weeks to undergo the full course of
    gallbladder flushes. You could then do ultrasound studies of them before
    the flushes, in the middle of the flushes, and after the flushes are
    complete. Anything they pass in their stool that looks like it might be
    a stone, you would count and send to the lab to determine if it really
    is a stone. At the end, you would look at the pathology results of the
    gallbladders removed and carefully look at the remaining stones to see
    if there were any signs that they had shrunk. (The cost of surgery would
    not be in the study budget because surgery is the standard of care for
    symptomatic gallbladder disease and would therefore be paid for by
    insurance or other means.) Any objective evidence that the number of
    gallstones decreased in the group of people treated with flushes would
    be considered a promising result. Any evidence that people undergoing
    gallbladder flushes were passing lots of gallstones in their stool would
    be considered a promising result.

    Randomized double-blind studies may be the gold standard as far as
    evidence goes, but less complicated and less expensive studies are the
    preliminary work necessary to justify them.

    --
    Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
    |
    |"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
    | inconvenience me with questions?"

  14. Again, just curious. How would you do a Million Dollar, double blind,
    controlled test on what, olive oil & something else? Would you also use
    a "placebo"? Seems like all this would be a little overkill just to
    find out what the "stones" are actually composed of. But that's just
    me.

  15. "Anth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    (Best thing would be some kind of scan before and after)

    That is what I asked Bew for and Bew took a hike on a direct response.

    That is exactly the problem with Alties such as Bew, when asked a direct
    question that can lead to proof of their claims, they do not provide a
    direct answer.

    Quoted message said:

    I'd like to see someone actually take these stones and mail them off to a
    lab to see what indeed they are.
    Anth

    "Anth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    (You should speak to someone in here who did a flush and found out later
    that his bladder was still full of stones)
    He reported pain relief though.
    Anth

    "Bew" <qw@nonamewhatsover> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Are you thinking of trying a gallbladder flush . There are many out


    there

    Quoted message said:

    ,

    Quoted message said:

    the one that worked for me and others I know was the olive oil and
    grapefruit juice . I had great success with it and got rid of hundreds


    of

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    stones as did others I know . I do the flush at least twice a year . I


    have

    Quoted message said:

    gone from pain , sickness and feeling constantly bloated to feeling


    great

    Quoted message said:

    ,

    Quoted message said:

    my gallbladder attacks disappeared after the first flush I did three


    years

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    ago and have never returned . It certainly gave me a new lease on life


    ,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    check it if you are wondering and make up your own mind about it .

    Cheers

    ---

    Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
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  16. "Gymmy Bob" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Would require controlled testing and double blind studies.

    Nope. It would require a sonogram for definitive diagnosis, which is the
    first step. It would then require a flush, which is cheapo, and then a
    follow-up sonogram to see if the stones are still there.

    Simple. So simple that one wonders why the proponents of these flushes do
    not apply to NCCAM for a couple of bucks to provide the studies.

    The only reason I can think of is that they are afraid the results wil show
    that the flushes do not work.

    This may cost up

    Quoted message said:

    to one million dollars to perform. The medical control people have made


    sure

    Quoted message said:

    that "no money" medical procedures are never tested so they can keep


    putting

    Quoted message said:

    them down and disputing them successfully to the ignorant people.

    <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Curious...has nobody out there done any definitive serious testing in
    this area to determine whether there is any value in "stone flushing" or
    whether its devotees are several salami slices short of a sandwich? What
    about all that Government CAM money research? Doesn't seem like this
    would be rocket science...or would it? Or maybe the product
    sellers//practioners would rather this info not be known?

    .

  17. It may be overkill but the "Scientific world" requires it and even then they
    would say, in denial, it isn't peer reviewed and backed by many other
    studies. This doesn't seem to apply to the Pharm Giants though. Their word
    is taken because they would never profit from bent statements. (sarc)

    <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Again, just curious. How would you do a Million Dollar, double blind,
    controlled test on what, olive oil & something else? Would you also use
    a "placebo"? Seems like all this would be a little overkill just to
    find out what the "stones" are actually composed of. But that's just
    me.

  18. Pretty simple really , there is no money to be made by them out of any
    natural cures . As for gallstones , questions you may have will most likely
    be answered somewhere here >> http://www.curezone.com/cleanse/liver/ if you
    take the time to check it out . Make up your own mind , like I said , it
    worked for me and others I know so I am not interested in arguing with the
    detractors , their opinions are of no relevance to me . My doctor certainly
    knows the difference between gallstones and some imaginary mixture of oil
    and grapefruit juice . Have you ever wondered why the detractors are so
    vocal about something that they claim doesn't work ? , if it was so then why
    would they even bother to comment ? , to save us all from what ?
    Bew

    <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Again, just curious. How would you do a Million Dollar, double blind,
    controlled test on what, olive oil & something else? Would you also use
    a "placebo"? Seems like all this would be a little overkill just to
    find out what the "stones" are actually composed of. But that's just
    me.

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  19. As I've said before I would be willing to take a liver flush, and do it many
    times to see what comes out if anything.
    I don't have access to a scanner or stones.
    (Also if I didn't have stones, I couldn't be sure that the stones that come
    out would not be helping to flush out the other stones that would have been
    in)
    Anth

    "Pizza Girl" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    It may be overkill but the "Scientific world" requires it and even then


    they

    Quoted message said:

    would say, in denial, it isn't peer reviewed and backed by many other
    studies. This doesn't seem to apply to the Pharm Giants though. Their word
    is taken because they would never profit from bent statements. (sarc)

    Quoted message said:
  20. In article <[email hidden]>, "Bew" <qw@nonamewhatsover>

    Quoted message said:

    Pretty simple really , there is no money to be made by them out of any
    natural cures . As for gallstones , questions you may have will most likely
    be answered somewhere here >> http://www.curezone.com/cleanse/liver/ if you
    take the time to check it out . Make up your own mind , like I said , it
    worked for me and others I know so I am not interested in arguing with the
    detractors , their opinions are of no relevance to me .

    It took me two minutes to find one laughably incorrect statement on that
    webpage:

    "All people who have stones inside gallbladder, always have stones
    inside their liver - proved by their cleansing experience!"

    This is [censored], plain and simple. Gallstones and biliary stones form
    by similar mechanisms, but most people with gallstones don't have
    biliary stones.

    Quoted message said:

    My doctor certainly
    knows the difference between gallstones and some imaginary mixture of oil
    and grapefruit juice .

    Unless he's a surgeon or gastroenterologist, I wouldn't count on that.

    Quoted message said:

    Have you ever wondered why the detractors are so
    vocal about something that they claim doesn't work ? , if it was so then why
    would they even bother to comment ? , to save us all from what ?

    Because we like to see claims backed up with evidence, perhaps?

    --
    Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
    |
    |"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
    | inconvenience me with questions?"

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