Carb addict needs help

Stacy said:

I exercise, I eat a lot of healthy foods, drink protein shakes, take supps
of all kinds but I crave carbs. Not sugar but breads. Even before becoming a
vegetarian, I can remember going to the Chart house restaurant and eating so
much of their bread that by the time the steak dinner came, I was full.
(They had the best bread) Why do some people crave carbs so much? I even
make a delicious veggie lasagne that doesn't use pasta but then a couple of
hours later, I'm craving something with bread or pasta. Even though I'm not
hungry. I've often wondered if my body needs carbs for some reason and
that's why I crave them.

Again, I can do without sugar. I don't use it at all and don't eat sweets.
Ok, occassionally a hershey's minature if it has an almond in it.

Anyone know anything that will help cut such cravings?? Other than hynotism?

I can zap the carb craving by eating something protein. But it's hard when
they bring a basket of great bread while you are waiting for your steak.

Ora

On Sun, 24 Jul 2005 15:00:49 -0400, Stacy wrote in
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Quoted message said:

I crave carbs. Not sugar but breads.

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Quoted message said:

Ok, occassionally a hershey's minature if it has an almond in it.

In my humble opinion, a problem with hi-IG hi-carb *lo-fiber* foods such as
candies, sweet drinks, refined white bread, or any food with lots of added
sugar, is that they are not very satiating. Thus you will never have
enough. You'll always want some more, just immediately or after a short
while, and you *may* end up eating too much.

Notice I say that you "may" end up eating too much, not that you surely
will, as I reckon different people have different reactions.

Anyway, if you want some *satiating* carbs, you might want to try some low
to middle-IG, low to middle-carb, *hi-fiber* foods such as:

* vegetables such as zucchini, peppers, salad...;

* most fruits (whole and raw,not juices);

* legumes;

* "al dente" whole durum-wheat pasta or bulghur, together with lots of
vegetables;

* whole grains in kernels, like decorticated spelt or durum-wheat or oat or
barley;

* basic muesli (with no raisins or dried fruits) made with oats and seeds
and nuts;

* pumpernickel rye bread...

I would look for organic whole grains, as they keep the outer husk of the
kernel.

--
Enrico C

"Stacy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

I exercise, I eat a lot of healthy foods, drink protein
shakes, take supps
of all kinds but I crave carbs. Not sugar but breads. Even
before becoming a
vegetarian, I can remember going to the Chart house
restaurant and eating so
much of their bread that by the time the steak dinner came,
I was full.
(They had the best bread) Why do some people crave carbs so
much? I even
make a delicious veggie lasagne that doesn't use pasta but
then a couple of
hours later, I'm craving something with bread or pasta. Even
though I'm not
hungry. I've often wondered if my body needs carbs for some
reason and
that's why I crave them.

Again, I can do without sugar. I don't use it at all and
don't eat sweets.
Ok, occassionally a hershey's minature if it has an almond
in it.

Anyone know anything that will help cut such cravings??
Other than hynotism?

Empty carbs...,no nutrition, leaves you craving. start
loading on protien, carb cravings will dissapear..then add
salads. then more protien. you need about 1graham of protien
a day per llb of body wt if you excercise... you are probably
getting half that.

so you crave carbs.

Phil Scott

Quoted message said:

Stacy said:

I exercise, I eat a lot of healthy foods, drink protein shakes, take supps
of all kinds but I crave carbs. Not sugar but breads. Even before becoming a
vegetarian, I can remember going to the Chart house restaurant and eating so
much of their bread that by the time the steak dinner came, I was full.
(They had the best bread) Why do some people crave carbs so much? I even
make a delicious veggie lasagne that doesn't use pasta but then a couple of
hours later, I'm craving something with bread or pasta. Even though I'm not
hungry. I've often wondered if my body needs carbs for some reason and
that's why I crave them.

Again, I can do without sugar. I don't use it at all and don't eat sweets.
Ok, occassionally a hershey's minature if it has an almond in it.

Anyone know anything that will help cut such cravings?? Other than hynotism?

You may be suffering from malnutrition. Perhaps the breads you crave are
your only (or the best) dietary source of certain nutrient(s) which your
body desperately needs. Those breads may contain only small amounts of
the lacking nutrient(s) but still more than the other foods you eat.
Thus your cravings for large quantities of those foods.

I had that happen to myself a few times, though not with bread. There
were certain foods that I craved in larger quantities. Thanks to the
online nutritional databases I looked at nutrients found in the foods I
craved and soon found what I was missing - since they were all high in
the nutrient I was lacking - the copper mineral.

A more reliable way of detecting nutritional deficiencies is to use
nutritional software. You will have to specify all the foods you eat
every day, which takes 5-10 minutes/day ones you get the hang of it. The
program will give you instant results showing your intake of all well
known nutrients like vitamins and minerals, proteins, carbs, fats etc.
including RDA% and other stuff. You may see what you are lacking after
only a few days of use.

You didn't write how much you exercise and what kind of breads you eat.
Many breads are made from grains which contain phytic acid. Phytic acid
binds with certain minerals (calcium, magnesium, copper, iron and
especially zinc) and therefore prevents their absorption. Frequent
consumption of phytic acid containing foods may cause malnutrition. All
grains (except amaranth, millet and rice) and beans must be soaked
before consumption. This lowers or eliminates phytic acid. Overnight
soaking in water that is not depleted of minerals is thought to be
sufficient.

Nutritional software links: http://nutritionsoftware.org
I use BeNutriFit. It's cheap and sufficient for my needs:
http://www.benutrifit.com

Online databases:
http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/
http://www.nutritiondata.com

--
Dawid Michalczyk
http://www.art.eonworks.com - Art and Illustration

You should eat meals you make yourself. I had a similar problem while
on a high carb "vegan" diet for many years. Now I eat a lot of fat,
but it's got to be very saturated (coconut, butter, dark chocolate,
whole milk dairy). No cooked meat, unless it's boiled, then you can
mix it in a pan with herbs, spices, sherry, butter, etc. on low heat.
Another thing I found that helps is to rotate the food I eat, so that
there's no appetizer or dessert, but instead you take a bite of one
thing, then move on to the other, and rotate from one "dish" to
another. You can also have a chronic, low-grade inflammatory process
going on. More antioxidant-rich foods (berries, white tea, dark
chocolate, etc.) and less highly unsaturated fatty acid sources (most
oils and meat products are high too) could help a lot.

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Quoted message said:

Stacy said:

I exercise, I eat a lot of healthy foods, drink protein
shakes, take supps of all kinds but I crave carbs. Not
sugar but breads. Even before becoming a vegetarian, I can
remember going to the Chart house restaurant and eating so
much of their bread that by the time the steak dinner came,
I was full. (They had the best bread) Why do some people
crave carbs so much? I even make a delicious veggie lasagne
that doesn't use pasta but then a couple of hours later,
I'm craving something with bread or pasta. Even though I'm
not hungry. I've often wondered if my body needs carbs for
some reason and that's why I crave them.

Again, I can do without sugar. I don't use it at all and
don't eat sweets. Ok, occassionally a hershey's minature if
it has an almond in it.

Anyone know anything that will help cut such cravings??
Other than hynotism?

You may be suffering from malnutrition. Perhaps the breads
you crave are your only (or the best) dietary source of
certain nutrient(s) which your body desperately needs. Those
breads may contain only small amounts of the lacking
nutrient(s) but still more than the other foods you eat.
Thus your cravings for large quantities of those foods.

I had that happen to myself a few times, though not with
bread. There were certain foods that I craved in larger
quantities. Thanks to the online nutritional databases I
looked at nutrients found in the foods I craved and soon
found what I was missing - since they were all high in the
nutrient I was lacking - the copper mineral.

Now thats some hot advice. thanks

Phil Scott

Quoted message said:

A more reliable way of detecting nutritional deficiencies is
to use nutritional software. You will have to specify all
the foods you eat every day, which takes 5-10 minutes/day
ones you get the hang of it. The program will give you
instant results showing your intake of all well known
nutrients like vitamins and minerals, proteins, carbs, fats
etc. including RDA% and other stuff. You may see what you
are lacking after only a few days of use.

You didn't write how much you exercise and what kind of
breads you eat.
Many breads are made from grains which contain phytic acid.
Phytic acid binds with certain minerals (calcium, magnesium,
copper, iron and especially zinc) and therefore prevents
their absorption. Frequent consumption of phytic acid
containing foods may cause malnutrition. All grains (except
amaranth, millet and rice) and beans must be soaked before
consumption. This lowers or eliminates phytic acid.
Overnight soaking in water that is not depleted of minerals
is thought to be sufficient.

Nutritional software links: http://nutritionsoftware.org
I use BeNutriFit. It's cheap and sufficient for my needs:
http://www.benutrifit.com

Online databases:
http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/
http://www.nutritiondata.com

--
Dawid Michalczyk
http://www.art.eonworks.com - Art and Illustration

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Quoted message said:

You should eat meals you make yourself. I had a similar
problem while
on a high carb "vegan" diet for many years. Now I eat a lot
of fat,
but it's got to be very saturated (coconut, butter, dark
chocolate,
whole milk dairy). No cooked meat, unless it's boiled, then
you can
mix it in a pan with herbs, spices, sherry, butter, etc. on
low heat.
Another thing I found that helps is to rotate the food I
eat, so that
there's no appetizer or dessert, but instead you take a bite
of one
thing, then move on to the other, and rotate from one "dish"
to
another. You can also have a chronic, low-grade
inflammatory process
going on. More antioxidant-rich foods (berries, white tea,
dark
chocolate, etc.) and less highly unsaturated fatty acid
sources (most
oils and meat products are high too) could help a lot.

Very interesting to see you say this... two years ago eggs
and sausage hurt me badly...for the last year though Im up to
6 eggs over easy in olive oil, with 6 sausages in the
microwave almost every day...no problemo and Im getttng
healthier.

go figger. Im craving salads now also.
and as Im nearing the end stages of dumping amyloid my type 2
diabetes is fading fast.

Phil Scott

Quoted message said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Stacy said:

I exercise, I eat a lot of healthy foods, drink protein shakes, take supps
of all kinds but I crave carbs. Not sugar but breads. Even before becoming a
vegetarian, I can remember going to the Chart house restaurant and eating so
much of their bread that by the time the steak dinner came, I was full.
(They had the best bread) Why do some people crave carbs so much? I even
make a delicious veggie lasagne that doesn't use pasta but then a couple of
hours later, I'm craving something with bread or pasta. Even though I'm not
hungry. I've often wondered if my body needs carbs for some reason and
that's why I crave them.

Again, I can do without sugar. I don't use it at all and don't eat sweets.
Ok, occassionally a hershey's minature if it has an almond in it.

Anyone know anything that will help cut such cravings?? Other than hynotism?

2 weeks of abstinence.

Seriously.......
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden]

Quoted message said:

Stacy said:

I exercise, I eat a lot of healthy foods, drink protein shakes, take supps
of all kinds but I crave carbs. Not sugar but breads. Even before becoming a
vegetarian, I can remember going to the Chart house restaurant and eating so
much of their bread that by the time the steak dinner came, I was full.
(They had the best bread) Why do some people crave carbs so much? I even
make a delicious veggie lasagne that doesn't use pasta but then a couple of
hours later, I'm craving something with bread or pasta. Even though I'm not
hungry. I've often wondered if my body needs carbs for some reason and
that's why I crave them.

Again, I can do without sugar. I don't use it at all and don't eat sweets.
Ok, occassionally a hershey's minature if it has an almond in it.

Anyone know anything that will help cut such cravings?? Other than hynotism?

I can zap the carb craving by eating something protein. But it's hard when
they bring a basket of great bread while you are waiting for your steak.

Ora

I just ask them not to...

Perfect examples are Red Lobster and Outback.

They won't bring it to your table against your request!
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

Please tell me more about this.

| You can also have a chronic, low-grade inflammatory process
| going on.

I've heard something about people with liver inflammation or problems
needing more carbs. Sometimes, I feel very subtle flu like symptons but very
very mild and then they go away.

BTW, I'm a vegetarian but eat legumes either red beans, black beans or some
other and soy meat substitutes and whey shakes. Also take a powerful
multivitamin plus a separate B complex, other minerals, enzymes, amino acids
etc., supps. so as I said, I'm sure it's not malnutrion. Probably getting
more than I need if anything. Don't eat in resteraunts any more.

Foods with a "high glycemic" index (like refined carbs/bread) tends to spike
your blood sugar levels
causing the body to compensate/overcompensate with insulin, then the craving
starts all over again.
This could lead to blood sugar problems later.
Dr. Ray Strand explains it quite well on his website at www.releasingfat.com
Another good explanation is here at
http://www.usana.com/en/products/ca/macros/what_macro.shtml

Cosmo
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Quoted message said:

I exercise, I eat a lot of healthy foods, drink protein shakes, take supps
of all kinds but I crave carbs. Not sugar but breads. Even before becoming
a
vegetarian, I can remember going to the Chart house restaurant and eating
so
much of their bread that by the time the steak dinner came, I was full.
(They had the best bread) Why do some people crave carbs so much? I even
make a delicious veggie lasagne that doesn't use pasta but then a couple
of
hours later, I'm craving something with bread or pasta. Even though I'm
not
hungry. I've often wondered if my body needs carbs for some reason and
that's why I crave them.

Again, I can do without sugar. I don't use it at all and don't eat sweets.
Ok, occassionally a hershey's minature if it has an almond in it.

Anyone know anything that will help cut such cravings?? Other than
hynotism?

Phil Scott said:

Very interesting to see you say this... two years ago eggs
and sausage hurt me badly...for the last year though Im up to
6 eggs over easy in olive oil, with 6 sausages in the
microwave almost every day...no problemo and Im getttng
healthier.

How are you cholesterol levels on the 6 egg per day regime? Just
curious.

RBR

Phil Scott said:

Very interesting to see you say this... two years ago eggs
and sausage hurt me badly...for the last year though Im up to
6 eggs over easy in olive oil, with 6 sausages in the
microwave almost every day...no problemo and Im getttng
healthier.

How are you cholesterol levels on the 6 egg per day regime? Just
curious.

RBR

Phil Scott said:

Very interesting to see you say this... two years ago eggs
and sausage hurt me badly...for the last year though Im up to
6 eggs over easy in olive oil, with 6 sausages in the
microwave almost every day...no problemo and Im getttng
healthier.

How are you cholesterol levels on the 6 egg per day regime? Just
curious.

RBR

Phil Scott said:

Very interesting to see you say this... two years ago eggs
and sausage hurt me badly...for the last year though Im up to
6 eggs over easy in olive oil, with 6 sausages in the
microwave almost every day...no problemo and Im getttng
healthier.

How are you cholesterol levels on the 6 egg per day regime? Just
curious.

RBR

Phil Scott said:

Very interesting to see you say this... two years ago eggs
and sausage hurt me badly...for the last year though Im up to
6 eggs over easy in olive oil, with 6 sausages in the
microwave almost every day...no problemo and Im getttng
healthier.

How are you cholesterol levels on the 6 egg per day regime? Just
curious.

RBR

Phil Scott said:

Very interesting to see you say this... two years ago eggs
and sausage hurt me badly...for the last year though Im up to
6 eggs over easy in olive oil, with 6 sausages in the
microwave almost every day...no problemo and Im getttng
healthier.

How are you cholesterol levels on the 6 egg per day regime? Just
curious.

RBR

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Quoted message said:

Phil Scott said:

Very interesting to see you say this... two years ago
eggs
and sausage hurt me badly...for the last year though Im up
to
6 eggs over easy in olive oil, with 6 sausages in the
microwave almost every day...no problemo and Im getttng
healthier.

How are you cholesterol levels on the 6 egg per day regime?
Just
curious.

I have no clooo on that ...I could drop dead at any minute
of course. In the past the eggs and grease etc caused chest
pain and weakness...so thats my monitoring indicator now... I
dont get weak or chest pains on the current diet...and yes I
realize my indicator could have holes in it. The broader
indication though is wt loss to idea levels, healthy across a
broad spectrum with vastly increased stamina...I *think* its a
result of what I call my de-amyloid program. I study that
extensively,,I could be wrong but I dont think so.

also I needed digestive enzymes for a while but not now.

Phil Scott

Quoted message said:

RBR

"RBR" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Phil Scott said:

Very interesting to see you say this... two years ago
eggs
and sausage hurt me badly...for the last year though Im up
to
6 eggs over easy in olive oil, with 6 sausages in the
microwave almost every day...no problemo and Im getttng
healthier.

How are you cholesterol levels on the 6 egg per day regime?
Just
curious.

I have no clooo on that ...I could drop dead at any minute
of course. In the past the eggs and grease etc caused chest
pain and weakness...so thats my monitoring indicator now... I
dont get weak or chest pains on the current diet...and yes I
realize my indicator could have holes in it. The broader
indication though is wt loss to idea levels, healthy across a
broad spectrum with vastly increased stamina...I *think* its a
result of what I call my de-amyloid program. I study that
extensively,,I could be wrong but I dont think so.

also I needed digestive enzymes for a while but not now.

Phil Scott

Quoted message said:

RBR