natural cures

George Lagergren said:

Topic: "Natural Cures" book

I was quicking browsering thru the updated edition of the "Natural Cures"
book by Kevin Trudeau at a book store. His number one idea for better
health is to eliminate dairy and cows' book from one's diet. A book
recommendation for this area is given: "Milk: The Deadly Poison".

His TV info-commerical for the updated edition of this book is seen thru out
the day.

Does he still call it 'Natural cures "They" don't want you to know
about'? What is it about alt-med types that they all seem to suffer from
freakin' paranoia.
I'm sure you love Kevin since he seems to agree with you on milk. Funny
thing is he's only mentioning it just once during his infomercial. His
focus is on natural cures, not milk. And he mentiones milk only because
it might contain hormones, not a word about mucus or glue or
strep-throats. So it seems he does not share your ideas about milk.
Doesn't that make him evil? He's a shill for the dairy industry George!
And you can see him on TV thru out the day? You have any idea what that
costs? Can you imagine how much money he's making on gullible folks
(like yourself).

Topic: "Natural Cures" book

JohnDoe said:

Does he still call it 'Natural cures "They" don't want you to know
about'? What is it about alt-med types that they all seem to suffer from
freakin' paranoia.
I'm sure you love Kevin since he seems to agree with you on milk. Funny

My holistic, 100% mercury-free dentist is also "down" on cows'
milk.

I'm new to this group... so I hope I don't step on any toes here. Let
me appologize in advance if I do.

I've been reading through all of these milk posts and I have yet to find
anyone that differentiates between milk bought in a regular super market
and whole, raw milk that comes from animals that eat a diet natural to
their species. The difference is night and day... not only in the
taste, but in the nutritional profile and health benefits.

In California there's a dairy called Organic Pastures
(http://www.organicpastures.com) where they keep their cows on fresh,
green grass 24 / 7. The milk from these cows is very health-promoting.
In fact, if you browse the site you'll see that even when pathogens like
e-coli were introduced into the milk, the milk killed them off... while
still allowing the beneficial bacteria to grow.

Another site you can check out is www.realmilk.com It's a good place to
start if you're trying to learn the difference between real milk from
healthy animals and the junk sold in stores.

Good luck.

Max.

Max C. said:

I'm new to this group... so I hope I don't step on any toes here. Let
me appologize in advance if I do.

I've been reading through all of these milk posts and I have yet to find
anyone that differentiates between milk bought in a regular super market
and whole, raw milk that comes from animals that eat a diet natural to
their species. The difference is night and day... not only in the
taste, but in the nutritional profile and health benefits.

In California there's a dairy called Organic Pastures
(http://www.organicpastures.com) where they keep their cows on fresh,
green grass 24 / 7. The milk from these cows is very health-promoting.
In fact, if you browse the site you'll see that even when pathogens like
e-coli were introduced into the milk, the milk killed them off... while
still allowing the beneficial bacteria to grow.

Another site you can check out is www.realmilk.com It's a good place to
start if you're trying to learn the difference between real milk from
healthy animals and the junk sold in stores.

Good luck.

Max, George needs to learn more about milk. Please help him.

Dr. Joseph Mercola of www.mercola.com was also "down on cow's milk"
until he did some thinking for himself. Upon really digging in to the
topic he discovered that there is a huge difference from the milk
commonly available in stores and milk that comes from healthy animals
eating their natural diets.

Rather than just making a blanket statement about all milk, I suggest
you go to Dr. Mercola's site and do a little searching. You'll find
hundreds of articles support both sides of the issue. The common theme
you'll find is that milk from factory farmed cows is bad and milk from
healthy, grass-fed cows is good.

Also, in case you didn't catch my previous post, you should also check
out www.realmilk.com There's a lot more information there.

Max.

Quoted message said:

JohnDoe said:

Does he still call it 'Natural cures "They" don't want you to know
about'? What is it about alt-med types that they all seem to suffer from
freakin' paranoia.
I'm sure you love Kevin since he seems to agree with you on milk. Funny

My holistic, 100% mercury-free dentist is also "down" on cows'
milk.

George Lagergren said:

Topic: "Natural Cures" book

I was quicking browsering thru the updated edition of the "Natural Cures"
book by Kevin Trudeau at a book store. His number one idea for better
health is to eliminate dairy and cows' book from one's diet. A book
recommendation for this area is given: "Milk: The Deadly Poison".

His TV info-commerical for the updated edition of this book is seen thru out
the day.

Kevin Trudeau is a fraud. Don't listen to anything that man says about
nutrition. He's a salesman. He'll say anything to make a buck. Do
some quick research on google about him and you'll see what I'm talking
about. I'm not saying milk is good or not good, but obviously it's not
a friggin "deadly poison" or we'd have corpses littering the streets
all over the world.

k.a.

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Max C. said:

Dr. Joseph Mercola of www.mercola.com was also "down on cow's milk"
until he did some thinking for himself. Upon really digging in to the
topic he discovered that there is a huge difference from the milk
commonly available in stores and milk that comes from healthy animals
eating their natural diets.

Rather than just making a blanket statement about all milk, I suggest
you go to Dr. Mercola's site and do a little searching. You'll find
hundreds of articles support both sides of the issue. The common theme
you'll find is that milk from factory farmed cows is bad and milk from
healthy, grass-fed cows is good.

You'll also find a nutball article that claims that autism is caused
by pasteurizing milk. Have fun.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"I believe that sex is one of the most beautiful, wholesome and
natural things that money can buy."
-- Steve Martin

Quoted message said:

Also, in case you didn't catch my previous post, you should also check
out www.realmilk.com There's a lot more information there.

Max.

Quoted message said:

JohnDoe said:

Does he still call it 'Natural cures "They" don't want you to know
about'? What is it about alt-med types that they all seem to suffer from
freakin' paranoia.
I'm sure you love Kevin since he seems to agree with you on milk. Funny

My holistic, 100% mercury-free dentist is also "down" on cows'
milk.

In article <[email hidden]>,

keifario said:

George Lagergren said:

Topic: "Natural Cures" book

I was quicking browsering thru the updated edition of the "Natural Cures"
book by Kevin Trudeau at a book store. His number one idea for better
health is to eliminate dairy and cows' book from one's diet. A book
recommendation for this area is given: "Milk: The Deadly Poison".

His TV info-commerical for the updated edition of this book is seen thru out
the day.

Kevin Trudeau is a fraud. Don't listen to anything that man says about
nutrition. He's a salesman. He'll say anything to make a buck. Do
some quick research on google about him and you'll see what I'm talking
about. I'm not saying milk is good or not good, but obviously it's not
a friggin "deadly poison" or we'd have corpses littering the streets
all over the world.

Corpses with little milk mustaches, that is.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"I believe that sex is one of the most beautiful, wholesome and
natural things that money can buy."
-- Steve Martin

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You'll also find a nutball article that claims that autism is caused
by pasteurizing milk. Have fun.

Oh I get it. That's funny. You think that by poopooing one article
among hundreds you've discredited the entire web site. Well, the
articles on the sites I mentioned are full of references. You're
welcome to look them up. See, I know I'm new here, but I've already
been told that this group is more of a scientific group. Poopooing one
article, one among hundreds, based on your own *opinion* isn't science.
It's your opinion.

You also seem to be completely missing the point. The point of the
discussion is to find out if milk can be used in a healthy diet. Were
you actually seeking that truth, you would have taken the time to look
in to the references I mentioned. Rather, I get the impression you're
trying to protect your ego and would say anything to try to discredit
evidence that disproves your position.

Let me tell you, having a healthy ego won't do your overall health a bit
of good. If you're interested in the subject, dig in. If you're not,
don't waste our time with your opinions.

Max.

David said:

You'll also find a nutball article that claims that autism is caused
by pasteurizing milk. Have fun.

The pasteurized cow's milk must be actually drank. I have seen
an article where a mother said that by taking her child off cow's milk,
their autism had disappeared.

"Max C." <[email hidden]> replied:

Quoted message said:

You also seem to be completely missing the point. The point of the
discussion is to find out if milk can be used in a healthy diet. Were

Maybe the point of the discussion should be whether cow's milk is
actually a healthy food item.

In article <[email hidden]>,

Max C. said:

Quoted message said:

You'll also find a nutball article that claims that autism is caused
by pasteurizing milk. Have fun.

Oh I get it. That's funny. You think that by poopooing one article
among hundreds you've discredited the entire web site.

Nope. But pointing out even one such insane article does throw a nice
bright spotlight on Mercola's selectivity and judgement. It's not as
though the pasteurization--autism article is the only such, either.
How about those lunatic articles about how microwaves from the sun are
fine, but microwaves from a microwave oven are horribly dangerous
because the former are generated by DC but the latter are generated by
AC?

Mercola's site is *riddled* with this kind of [censored] and it's not as
though the lunatic articles have some sort of flag on them to let you
know which ones they are.

Quoted message said:

Well, the
articles on the sites I mentioned are full of references. You're
welcome to look them up. See, I know I'm new here, but I've already
been told that this group is more of a scientific group. Poopooing one
article, one among hundreds, based on your own *opinion* isn't science.
It's your opinion.

Your posting was cross-posted to three different newsgroups. The
sci.med.nutrition group is relatively scientific, but the
misc.health.alternative group is not. If this bothers you, then
edit your newsgroups line to only go to the groups you want.

Quoted message said:

You also seem to be completely missing the point. The point of the
discussion is to find out if milk can be used in a healthy diet. Were
you actually seeking that truth, you would have taken the time to look
in to the references I mentioned. Rather, I get the impression you're
trying to protect your ego and would say anything to try to discredit
evidence that disproves your position.

Well, you're wrong, but you're new here, so I forgive you. I've done
plenty of research myself, including an elimination diet, and milk is
just fine for me, thanks.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"I believe that sex is one of the most beautiful, wholesome and
natural things that money can buy."
-- Steve Martin

In article <[email hidden]>,

George Lagergren said:

David said:

You'll also find a nutball article that claims that autism is caused
by pasteurizing milk. Have fun.

The pasteurized cow's milk must be actually drank. I have seen
an article where a mother said that by taking her child off cow's milk,
their autism had disappeared.

I've seen an article about how people are kidnapped by aliens in
flying saucers. Get a clue, George -- just because you've "seen an
article" means NOTHING.

Quoted message said:

"Max C." <[email hidden]> replied:

Quoted message said:

You also seem to be completely missing the point. The point of the
discussion is to find out if milk can be used in a healthy diet. Were

Maybe the point of the discussion should be whether cow's milk is
actually a healthy food item.

For you, maybe it isn't. For me, however, it's just fine, and nothing
you've ever posted changes that.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"I believe that sex is one of the most beautiful, wholesome and
natural things that money can buy."
-- Steve Martin

Quoted message said:

Maybe the point of the discussion should be whether cow's milk is
actually a healthy food item.

It would appear from this sentence that you have not reviewed the links
I provided. Otherwise you would have started to develop a distinction
between store-bought milk and raw milk.

You're still lumping it all together in one category.

Quoted message said:

Maybe the point of the discussion should be whether cow's milk is
actually a healthy food item.

It would appear from this sentence that you have not reviewed the links
I provided. Otherwise you would have started to develop a distinction
between store-bought milk and raw milk.

You're still lumping it all together in one category.

Quoted message said:

Maybe the point of the discussion should be whether cow's milk is
actually a healthy food item.

It would appear from this sentence that you have not reviewed the links
I provided. Otherwise you would have started to develop a distinction
between store-bought milk and raw milk.

You're still lumping it all together in one category.

Quoted message said:

Maybe the point of the discussion should be whether cow's milk is
actually a healthy food item.

It would appear from this sentence that you have not reviewed the links
I provided. Otherwise you would have started to develop a distinction
between store-bought milk and raw milk.

You're still lumping it all together in one category.

Quoted message said:

Maybe the point of the discussion should be whether cow's milk is
actually a healthy food item.

It would appear from this sentence that you have not reviewed the links
I provided. Otherwise you would have started to develop a distinction
between store-bought milk and raw milk.

You're still lumping it all together in one category.

Quoted message said:

Maybe the point of the discussion should be whether cow's milk is
actually a healthy food item.

It would appear from this sentence that you have not reviewed the links
I provided. Otherwise you would have started to develop a distinction
between store-bought milk and raw milk.

You're still lumping it all together in one category.

Quoted message said:

Nope. But pointing out even one such insane article does throw a nice
bright spotlight on Mercola's selectivity and judgement.

There's that opinion of yours again. Sorry, but I know and can verify
Dr. Mercola's credentials... and I don't know yours. Given that one
fact, I'd take his opinion over yours any day. And once again, such an
article being "insane" is your opinion. All I had to do was Google the
words PASTEURIZATION MILK and AUTISM to get thousands of hits on the
subject. Right at the top was this very interesting one:

http://www.autismcanada.org/News/HeatKilledBacteriaMarch132003.htm

The first cases of autism started around the early 1940's. During that
time a lot was changing in America. Vaccines were becomming popular,
food refining processes were being developed and yes, pasteurization was
well on its way in.

I fail to see what evidence you have to disprove the article you mention
on Mercola's site. Perhaps that's because I've found so much
information online agreeing with the article.

Quoted message said:

It's not as
though the pasteurization--autism article is the only such, either.
How about those lunatic articles about how microwaves from the sun are
fine, but microwaves from a microwave oven are horribly dangerous
because the former are generated by DC but the latter are generated by
AC?

I have no idea about the AC, DC portion of the article, but it seems
that pubmed disagrees with your assertion that the notion of microwaves
being dangerous is lunatic:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?
cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=12474410&dopt=Abstract

Microwaves from the sun are greatly filtered by our atmosphere.
Microwaves from MW ovens and cell phone towers are not. It is
undisputed that microwaves can change cellular structure. Don't believe
me? Ask a nurse to heat refrigerated blood in a microwave before use.
They won't do it because they know it'll kill the transfusion recipient.

Quoted message said:

Mercola's site is *riddled* with this kind of [censored] and it's not as
though the lunatic articles have some sort of flag on them to let you
know which ones they are.

Well, once again it's your opinion. If you're not educated enough to
filter out the "[censored]" for yourself then maybe it's not a good site for
you to visit. Personally I find a lot of useful information there.

Quoted message said:

Your posting was cross-posted to three different newsgroups. The
sci.med.nutrition group is relatively scientific, but the
misc.health.alternative group is not. If this bothers you, then
edit your newsgroups line to only go to the groups you want.

Sorry. I just hit reply. I didn't realize I was replying to more than
one group.

Quoted message said:

Well, you're wrong, but you're new here, so I forgive you. I've done
plenty of research myself, including an elimination diet, and milk is
just fine for me, thanks.

Oh now I get it. You agree with me... you're just one of those guys
that gets his rocks off by disagreeing with people. Well, whatever make
you happy... but from here on out, I'm going to require some evidence of
your positions if you expect me to take you seriously. I did a search
of this group for your name and couldn't find a single post from you
where you offered anything other than your opinion. Sorry, but your
opinion has no value to me unless it's supported by something I can
verify... just as I did for you above.

Max.