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  1. Quoted message said:

    Nope. But pointing out even one such insane article does throw a nice
    bright spotlight on Mercola's selectivity and judgement.

    There's that opinion of yours again. Sorry, but I know and can verify
    Dr. Mercola's credentials... and I don't know yours. Given that one
    fact, I'd take his opinion over yours any day. And once again, such an
    article being "insane" is your opinion. All I had to do was Google the
    words PASTEURIZATION MILK and AUTISM to get thousands of hits on the
    subject. Right at the top was this very interesting one:

    http://www.autismcanada.org/News/HeatKilledBacteriaMarch132003.htm

    The first cases of autism started around the early 1940's. During that
    time a lot was changing in America. Vaccines were becomming popular,
    food refining processes were being developed and yes, pasteurization was
    well on its way in.

    I fail to see what evidence you have to disprove the article you mention
    on Mercola's site. Perhaps that's because I've found so much
    information online agreeing with the article.

    Quoted message said:

    It's not as
    though the pasteurization--autism article is the only such, either.
    How about those lunatic articles about how microwaves from the sun are
    fine, but microwaves from a microwave oven are horribly dangerous
    because the former are generated by DC but the latter are generated by
    AC?

    I have no idea about the AC, DC portion of the article, but it seems
    that pubmed disagrees with your assertion that the notion of microwaves
    being dangerous is lunatic:

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?
    cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=12474410&dopt=Abstract

    Microwaves from the sun are greatly filtered by our atmosphere.
    Microwaves from MW ovens and cell phone towers are not. It is
    undisputed that microwaves can change cellular structure. Don't believe
    me? Ask a nurse to heat refrigerated blood in a microwave before use.
    They won't do it because they know it'll kill the transfusion recipient.

    Quoted message said:

    Mercola's site is *riddled* with this kind of [censored] and it's not as
    though the lunatic articles have some sort of flag on them to let you
    know which ones they are.

    Well, once again it's your opinion. If you're not educated enough to
    filter out the "[censored]" for yourself then maybe it's not a good site for
    you to visit. Personally I find a lot of useful information there.

    Quoted message said:

    Your posting was cross-posted to three different newsgroups. The
    sci.med.nutrition group is relatively scientific, but the
    misc.health.alternative group is not. If this bothers you, then
    edit your newsgroups line to only go to the groups you want.

    Sorry. I just hit reply. I didn't realize I was replying to more than
    one group.

    Quoted message said:

    Well, you're wrong, but you're new here, so I forgive you. I've done
    plenty of research myself, including an elimination diet, and milk is
    just fine for me, thanks.

    Oh now I get it. You agree with me... you're just one of those guys
    that gets his rocks off by disagreeing with people. Well, whatever make
    you happy... but from here on out, I'm going to require some evidence of
    your positions if you expect me to take you seriously. I did a search
    of this group for your name and couldn't find a single post from you
    where you offered anything other than your opinion. Sorry, but your
    opinion has no value to me unless it's supported by something I can
    verify... just as I did for you above.

    Max.

  2. Quoted message said:

    Nope. But pointing out even one such insane article does throw a nice
    bright spotlight on Mercola's selectivity and judgement.

    There's that opinion of yours again. Sorry, but I know and can verify
    Dr. Mercola's credentials... and I don't know yours. Given that one
    fact, I'd take his opinion over yours any day. And once again, such an
    article being "insane" is your opinion. All I had to do was Google the
    words PASTEURIZATION MILK and AUTISM to get thousands of hits on the
    subject. Right at the top was this very interesting one:

    http://www.autismcanada.org/News/HeatKilledBacteriaMarch132003.htm

    The first cases of autism started around the early 1940's. During that
    time a lot was changing in America. Vaccines were becomming popular,
    food refining processes were being developed and yes, pasteurization was
    well on its way in.

    I fail to see what evidence you have to disprove the article you mention
    on Mercola's site. Perhaps that's because I've found so much
    information online agreeing with the article.

    Quoted message said:

    It's not as
    though the pasteurization--autism article is the only such, either.
    How about those lunatic articles about how microwaves from the sun are
    fine, but microwaves from a microwave oven are horribly dangerous
    because the former are generated by DC but the latter are generated by
    AC?

    I have no idea about the AC, DC portion of the article, but it seems
    that pubmed disagrees with your assertion that the notion of microwaves
    being dangerous is lunatic:

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?
    cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=12474410&dopt=Abstract

    Microwaves from the sun are greatly filtered by our atmosphere.
    Microwaves from MW ovens and cell phone towers are not. It is
    undisputed that microwaves can change cellular structure. Don't believe
    me? Ask a nurse to heat refrigerated blood in a microwave before use.
    They won't do it because they know it'll kill the transfusion recipient.

    Quoted message said:

    Mercola's site is *riddled* with this kind of [censored] and it's not as
    though the lunatic articles have some sort of flag on them to let you
    know which ones they are.

    Well, once again it's your opinion. If you're not educated enough to
    filter out the "[censored]" for yourself then maybe it's not a good site for
    you to visit. Personally I find a lot of useful information there.

    Quoted message said:

    Your posting was cross-posted to three different newsgroups. The
    sci.med.nutrition group is relatively scientific, but the
    misc.health.alternative group is not. If this bothers you, then
    edit your newsgroups line to only go to the groups you want.

    Sorry. I just hit reply. I didn't realize I was replying to more than
    one group.

    Quoted message said:

    Well, you're wrong, but you're new here, so I forgive you. I've done
    plenty of research myself, including an elimination diet, and milk is
    just fine for me, thanks.

    Oh now I get it. You agree with me... you're just one of those guys
    that gets his rocks off by disagreeing with people. Well, whatever make
    you happy... but from here on out, I'm going to require some evidence of
    your positions if you expect me to take you seriously. I did a search
    of this group for your name and couldn't find a single post from you
    where you offered anything other than your opinion. Sorry, but your
    opinion has no value to me unless it's supported by something I can
    verify... just as I did for you above.

    Max.

  3. Quoted message said:

    Nope. But pointing out even one such insane article does throw a nice
    bright spotlight on Mercola's selectivity and judgement.

    There's that opinion of yours again. Sorry, but I know and can verify
    Dr. Mercola's credentials... and I don't know yours. Given that one
    fact, I'd take his opinion over yours any day. And once again, such an
    article being "insane" is your opinion. All I had to do was Google the
    words PASTEURIZATION MILK and AUTISM to get thousands of hits on the
    subject. Right at the top was this very interesting one:

    http://www.autismcanada.org/News/HeatKilledBacteriaMarch132003.htm

    The first cases of autism started around the early 1940's. During that
    time a lot was changing in America. Vaccines were becomming popular,
    food refining processes were being developed and yes, pasteurization was
    well on its way in.

    I fail to see what evidence you have to disprove the article you mention
    on Mercola's site. Perhaps that's because I've found so much
    information online agreeing with the article.

    Quoted message said:

    It's not as
    though the pasteurization--autism article is the only such, either.
    How about those lunatic articles about how microwaves from the sun are
    fine, but microwaves from a microwave oven are horribly dangerous
    because the former are generated by DC but the latter are generated by
    AC?

    I have no idea about the AC, DC portion of the article, but it seems
    that pubmed disagrees with your assertion that the notion of microwaves
    being dangerous is lunatic:

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?
    cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=12474410&dopt=Abstract

    Microwaves from the sun are greatly filtered by our atmosphere.
    Microwaves from MW ovens and cell phone towers are not. It is
    undisputed that microwaves can change cellular structure. Don't believe
    me? Ask a nurse to heat refrigerated blood in a microwave before use.
    They won't do it because they know it'll kill the transfusion recipient.

    Quoted message said:

    Mercola's site is *riddled* with this kind of [censored] and it's not as
    though the lunatic articles have some sort of flag on them to let you
    know which ones they are.

    Well, once again it's your opinion. If you're not educated enough to
    filter out the "[censored]" for yourself then maybe it's not a good site for
    you to visit. Personally I find a lot of useful information there.

    Quoted message said:

    Your posting was cross-posted to three different newsgroups. The
    sci.med.nutrition group is relatively scientific, but the
    misc.health.alternative group is not. If this bothers you, then
    edit your newsgroups line to only go to the groups you want.

    Sorry. I just hit reply. I didn't realize I was replying to more than
    one group.

    Quoted message said:

    Well, you're wrong, but you're new here, so I forgive you. I've done
    plenty of research myself, including an elimination diet, and milk is
    just fine for me, thanks.

    Oh now I get it. You agree with me... you're just one of those guys
    that gets his rocks off by disagreeing with people. Well, whatever make
    you happy... but from here on out, I'm going to require some evidence of
    your positions if you expect me to take you seriously. I did a search
    of this group for your name and couldn't find a single post from you
    where you offered anything other than your opinion. Sorry, but your
    opinion has no value to me unless it's supported by something I can
    verify... just as I did for you above.

    Max.

  4. Quoted message said:

    Nope. But pointing out even one such insane article does throw a nice
    bright spotlight on Mercola's selectivity and judgement.

    There's that opinion of yours again. Sorry, but I know and can verify
    Dr. Mercola's credentials... and I don't know yours. Given that one
    fact, I'd take his opinion over yours any day. And once again, such an
    article being "insane" is your opinion. All I had to do was Google the
    words PASTEURIZATION MILK and AUTISM to get thousands of hits on the
    subject. Right at the top was this very interesting one:

    http://www.autismcanada.org/News/HeatKilledBacteriaMarch132003.htm

    The first cases of autism started around the early 1940's. During that
    time a lot was changing in America. Vaccines were becomming popular,
    food refining processes were being developed and yes, pasteurization was
    well on its way in.

    I fail to see what evidence you have to disprove the article you mention
    on Mercola's site. Perhaps that's because I've found so much
    information online agreeing with the article.

    Quoted message said:

    It's not as
    though the pasteurization--autism article is the only such, either.
    How about those lunatic articles about how microwaves from the sun are
    fine, but microwaves from a microwave oven are horribly dangerous
    because the former are generated by DC but the latter are generated by
    AC?

    I have no idea about the AC, DC portion of the article, but it seems
    that pubmed disagrees with your assertion that the notion of microwaves
    being dangerous is lunatic:

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?
    cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=12474410&dopt=Abstract

    Microwaves from the sun are greatly filtered by our atmosphere.
    Microwaves from MW ovens and cell phone towers are not. It is
    undisputed that microwaves can change cellular structure. Don't believe
    me? Ask a nurse to heat refrigerated blood in a microwave before use.
    They won't do it because they know it'll kill the transfusion recipient.

    Quoted message said:

    Mercola's site is *riddled* with this kind of [censored] and it's not as
    though the lunatic articles have some sort of flag on them to let you
    know which ones they are.

    Well, once again it's your opinion. If you're not educated enough to
    filter out the "[censored]" for yourself then maybe it's not a good site for
    you to visit. Personally I find a lot of useful information there.

    Quoted message said:

    Your posting was cross-posted to three different newsgroups. The
    sci.med.nutrition group is relatively scientific, but the
    misc.health.alternative group is not. If this bothers you, then
    edit your newsgroups line to only go to the groups you want.

    Sorry. I just hit reply. I didn't realize I was replying to more than
    one group.

    Quoted message said:

    Well, you're wrong, but you're new here, so I forgive you. I've done
    plenty of research myself, including an elimination diet, and milk is
    just fine for me, thanks.

    Oh now I get it. You agree with me... you're just one of those guys
    that gets his rocks off by disagreeing with people. Well, whatever make
    you happy... but from here on out, I'm going to require some evidence of
    your positions if you expect me to take you seriously. I did a search
    of this group for your name and couldn't find a single post from you
    where you offered anything other than your opinion. Sorry, but your
    opinion has no value to me unless it's supported by something I can
    verify... just as I did for you above.

    Max.

  5. Quoted message said:

    Nope. But pointing out even one such insane article does throw a nice
    bright spotlight on Mercola's selectivity and judgement.

    There's that opinion of yours again. Sorry, but I know and can verify
    Dr. Mercola's credentials... and I don't know yours. Given that one
    fact, I'd take his opinion over yours any day. And once again, such an
    article being "insane" is your opinion. All I had to do was Google the
    words PASTEURIZATION MILK and AUTISM to get thousands of hits on the
    subject. Right at the top was this very interesting one:

    http://www.autismcanada.org/News/HeatKilledBacteriaMarch132003.htm

    The first cases of autism started around the early 1940's. During that
    time a lot was changing in America. Vaccines were becomming popular,
    food refining processes were being developed and yes, pasteurization was
    well on its way in.

    I fail to see what evidence you have to disprove the article you mention
    on Mercola's site. Perhaps that's because I've found so much
    information online agreeing with the article.

    Quoted message said:

    It's not as
    though the pasteurization--autism article is the only such, either.
    How about those lunatic articles about how microwaves from the sun are
    fine, but microwaves from a microwave oven are horribly dangerous
    because the former are generated by DC but the latter are generated by
    AC?

    I have no idea about the AC, DC portion of the article, but it seems
    that pubmed disagrees with your assertion that the notion of microwaves
    being dangerous is lunatic:

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?
    cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=12474410&dopt=Abstract

    Microwaves from the sun are greatly filtered by our atmosphere.
    Microwaves from MW ovens and cell phone towers are not. It is
    undisputed that microwaves can change cellular structure. Don't believe
    me? Ask a nurse to heat refrigerated blood in a microwave before use.
    They won't do it because they know it'll kill the transfusion recipient.

    Quoted message said:

    Mercola's site is *riddled* with this kind of [censored] and it's not as
    though the lunatic articles have some sort of flag on them to let you
    know which ones they are.

    Well, once again it's your opinion. If you're not educated enough to
    filter out the "[censored]" for yourself then maybe it's not a good site for
    you to visit. Personally I find a lot of useful information there.

    Quoted message said:

    Your posting was cross-posted to three different newsgroups. The
    sci.med.nutrition group is relatively scientific, but the
    misc.health.alternative group is not. If this bothers you, then
    edit your newsgroups line to only go to the groups you want.

    Sorry. I just hit reply. I didn't realize I was replying to more than
    one group.

    Quoted message said:

    Well, you're wrong, but you're new here, so I forgive you. I've done
    plenty of research myself, including an elimination diet, and milk is
    just fine for me, thanks.

    Oh now I get it. You agree with me... you're just one of those guys
    that gets his rocks off by disagreeing with people. Well, whatever make
    you happy... but from here on out, I'm going to require some evidence of
    your positions if you expect me to take you seriously. I did a search
    of this group for your name and couldn't find a single post from you
    where you offered anything other than your opinion. Sorry, but your
    opinion has no value to me unless it's supported by something I can
    verify... just as I did for you above.

    Max.

  6. George said:

    Maybe the point of the discussion should be whether cow's milk is
    actually a healthy food item.

    "Max C." <[email hidden]> replied:

    Quoted message said:

    It would appear from this sentence that you have not reviewed the links
    I provided. Otherwise you would have started to develop a distinction
    between store-bought milk and raw milk.

    You're still lumping it all together in one category.

    I am lumping both store-bought milk and raw cow's milk together
    because those with an intolerance to the heavy, thick casein protein
    contained with cow's milk.

    So, in regards to cow's milk casein protein issue, does anyone
    have information whether the amount of casein protein contained within raw
    cow's milk differs from the amount to the casein protein contained within
    store-bought cow's milk?

  7. George said:

    Maybe the point of the discussion should be whether cow's milk is
    actually a healthy food item.

    "Max C." <[email hidden]> replied:

    Quoted message said:

    It would appear from this sentence that you have not reviewed the links
    I provided. Otherwise you would have started to develop a distinction
    between store-bought milk and raw milk.

    You're still lumping it all together in one category.

    I am lumping both store-bought milk and raw cow's milk together
    because those with an intolerance to the heavy, thick casein protein
    contained with cow's milk.

    So, in regards to cow's milk casein protein issue, does anyone
    have information whether the amount of casein protein contained within raw
    cow's milk differs from the amount to the casein protein contained within
    store-bought cow's milk?

  8. George said:

    Maybe the point of the discussion should be whether cow's milk is
    actually a healthy food item.

    "Max C." <[email hidden]> replied:

    Quoted message said:

    It would appear from this sentence that you have not reviewed the links
    I provided. Otherwise you would have started to develop a distinction
    between store-bought milk and raw milk.

    You're still lumping it all together in one category.

    I am lumping both store-bought milk and raw cow's milk together
    because those with an intolerance to the heavy, thick casein protein
    contained with cow's milk.

    So, in regards to cow's milk casein protein issue, does anyone
    have information whether the amount of casein protein contained within raw
    cow's milk differs from the amount to the casein protein contained within
    store-bought cow's milk?

  9. George said:

    Maybe the point of the discussion should be whether cow's milk is
    actually a healthy food item.

    "Max C." <[email hidden]> replied:

    Quoted message said:

    It would appear from this sentence that you have not reviewed the links
    I provided. Otherwise you would have started to develop a distinction
    between store-bought milk and raw milk.

    You're still lumping it all together in one category.

    I am lumping both store-bought milk and raw cow's milk together
    because those with an intolerance to the heavy, thick casein protein
    contained with cow's milk.

    So, in regards to cow's milk casein protein issue, does anyone
    have information whether the amount of casein protein contained within raw
    cow's milk differs from the amount to the casein protein contained within
    store-bought cow's milk?

  10. George said:

    Maybe the point of the discussion should be whether cow's milk is
    actually a healthy food item.

    "Max C." <[email hidden]> replied:

    Quoted message said:

    It would appear from this sentence that you have not reviewed the links
    I provided. Otherwise you would have started to develop a distinction
    between store-bought milk and raw milk.

    You're still lumping it all together in one category.

    I am lumping both store-bought milk and raw cow's milk together
    because those with an intolerance to the heavy, thick casein protein
    contained with cow's milk.

    So, in regards to cow's milk casein protein issue, does anyone
    have information whether the amount of casein protein contained within raw
    cow's milk differs from the amount to the casein protein contained within
    store-bought cow's milk?

  11. George said:

    Maybe the point of the discussion should be whether cow's milk is
    actually a healthy food item.

    "Max C." <[email hidden]> replied:

    Quoted message said:

    It would appear from this sentence that you have not reviewed the links
    I provided. Otherwise you would have started to develop a distinction
    between store-bought milk and raw milk.

    You're still lumping it all together in one category.

    I am lumping both store-bought milk and raw cow's milk together
    because those with an intolerance to the heavy, thick casein protein
    contained with cow's milk.

    So, in regards to cow's milk casein protein issue, does anyone
    have information whether the amount of casein protein contained within raw
    cow's milk differs from the amount to the casein protein contained within
    store-bought cow's milk?

  12. Quoted message said:

    So, in regards to cow's milk casein protein issue, does anyone
    have information whether the amount of casein protein contained within raw
    cow's milk differs from the amount to the casein protein contained within
    store-bought cow's milk?

    Well, you're asking the wrong question again. If I had to guess, I
    would say that there are fairly equal amounts of casein in both
    pasteurized and raw milk. However, there are 2 fundamental differences:

    1 - it is possible (though I couldn't find anything online to
    substantiate this) that casein may become partially denatured during the
    pasteurization process. Denaturization of proteins is common in cooked
    foods and can be more difficult for our digestive systems.

    2 - more importantly, raw milk still has caseinase in tact and active.
    Caseinase is the specific proteolytic enzyme that acts on casein once
    the milk reaches a certain pH level. The same goes for all raw foods.
    The metabolic enzymes of one living thing become digestive enzymes once
    that living thing becomes a food. Pasteurization kills the enzyme
    activity in milk. In fact, one of the tests for proper pasteurization
    is a check for the enzyme phosphatase. If the milk lacks phosphatase,
    it's considered "clean."

    The lack of enzymes in pasteurized milk is really at the heart of the
    debate. Many people who thought they were "casein sensitive" or
    "lactose intolerant" find that if they slowly add raw milk to their diet
    that they can use dairy products again.

    So, again, check those web sites for a more in depth look in to what I
    just said. Your questions are valid=3F but they've already been answered
    in those web sites.

    Max.

  13. Quoted message said:

    So, in regards to cow's milk casein protein issue, does anyone
    have information whether the amount of casein protein contained within raw
    cow's milk differs from the amount to the casein protein contained within
    store-bought cow's milk?

    Well, you're asking the wrong question again. If I had to guess, I
    would say that there are fairly equal amounts of casein in both
    pasteurized and raw milk. However, there are 2 fundamental differences:

    1 - it is possible (though I couldn't find anything online to
    substantiate this) that casein may become partially denatured during the
    pasteurization process. Denaturization of proteins is common in cooked
    foods and can be more difficult for our digestive systems.

    2 - more importantly, raw milk still has caseinase in tact and active.
    Caseinase is the specific proteolytic enzyme that acts on casein once
    the milk reaches a certain pH level. The same goes for all raw foods.
    The metabolic enzymes of one living thing become digestive enzymes once
    that living thing becomes a food. Pasteurization kills the enzyme
    activity in milk. In fact, one of the tests for proper pasteurization
    is a check for the enzyme phosphatase. If the milk lacks phosphatase,
    it's considered "clean."

    The lack of enzymes in pasteurized milk is really at the heart of the
    debate. Many people who thought they were "casein sensitive" or
    "lactose intolerant" find that if they slowly add raw milk to their diet
    that they can use dairy products again.

    So, again, check those web sites for a more in depth look in to what I
    just said. Your questions are valid=3F but they've already been answered
    in those web sites.

    Max.

  14. Quoted message said:

    So, in regards to cow's milk casein protein issue, does anyone
    have information whether the amount of casein protein contained within raw
    cow's milk differs from the amount to the casein protein contained within
    store-bought cow's milk?

    Well, you're asking the wrong question again. If I had to guess, I
    would say that there are fairly equal amounts of casein in both
    pasteurized and raw milk. However, there are 2 fundamental differences:

    1 - it is possible (though I couldn't find anything online to
    substantiate this) that casein may become partially denatured during the
    pasteurization process. Denaturization of proteins is common in cooked
    foods and can be more difficult for our digestive systems.

    2 - more importantly, raw milk still has caseinase in tact and active.
    Caseinase is the specific proteolytic enzyme that acts on casein once
    the milk reaches a certain pH level. The same goes for all raw foods.
    The metabolic enzymes of one living thing become digestive enzymes once
    that living thing becomes a food. Pasteurization kills the enzyme
    activity in milk. In fact, one of the tests for proper pasteurization
    is a check for the enzyme phosphatase. If the milk lacks phosphatase,
    it's considered "clean."

    The lack of enzymes in pasteurized milk is really at the heart of the
    debate. Many people who thought they were "casein sensitive" or
    "lactose intolerant" find that if they slowly add raw milk to their diet
    that they can use dairy products again.

    So, again, check those web sites for a more in depth look in to what I
    just said. Your questions are valid=3F but they've already been answered
    in those web sites.

    Max.

  15. Quoted message said:

    So, in regards to cow's milk casein protein issue, does anyone
    have information whether the amount of casein protein contained within raw
    cow's milk differs from the amount to the casein protein contained within
    store-bought cow's milk?

    Well, you're asking the wrong question again. If I had to guess, I
    would say that there are fairly equal amounts of casein in both
    pasteurized and raw milk. However, there are 2 fundamental differences:

    1 - it is possible (though I couldn't find anything online to
    substantiate this) that casein may become partially denatured during the
    pasteurization process. Denaturization of proteins is common in cooked
    foods and can be more difficult for our digestive systems.

    2 - more importantly, raw milk still has caseinase in tact and active.
    Caseinase is the specific proteolytic enzyme that acts on casein once
    the milk reaches a certain pH level. The same goes for all raw foods.
    The metabolic enzymes of one living thing become digestive enzymes once
    that living thing becomes a food. Pasteurization kills the enzyme
    activity in milk. In fact, one of the tests for proper pasteurization
    is a check for the enzyme phosphatase. If the milk lacks phosphatase,
    it's considered "clean."

    The lack of enzymes in pasteurized milk is really at the heart of the
    debate. Many people who thought they were "casein sensitive" or
    "lactose intolerant" find that if they slowly add raw milk to their diet
    that they can use dairy products again.

    So, again, check those web sites for a more in depth look in to what I
    just said. Your questions are valid=3F but they've already been answered
    in those web sites.

    Max.

  16. Quoted message said:

    So, in regards to cow's milk casein protein issue, does anyone
    have information whether the amount of casein protein contained within raw
    cow's milk differs from the amount to the casein protein contained within
    store-bought cow's milk?

    Well, you're asking the wrong question again. If I had to guess, I
    would say that there are fairly equal amounts of casein in both
    pasteurized and raw milk. However, there are 2 fundamental differences:

    1 - it is possible (though I couldn't find anything online to
    substantiate this) that casein may become partially denatured during the
    pasteurization process. Denaturization of proteins is common in cooked
    foods and can be more difficult for our digestive systems.

    2 - more importantly, raw milk still has caseinase in tact and active.
    Caseinase is the specific proteolytic enzyme that acts on casein once
    the milk reaches a certain pH level. The same goes for all raw foods.
    The metabolic enzymes of one living thing become digestive enzymes once
    that living thing becomes a food. Pasteurization kills the enzyme
    activity in milk. In fact, one of the tests for proper pasteurization
    is a check for the enzyme phosphatase. If the milk lacks phosphatase,
    it's considered "clean."

    The lack of enzymes in pasteurized milk is really at the heart of the
    debate. Many people who thought they were "casein sensitive" or
    "lactose intolerant" find that if they slowly add raw milk to their diet
    that they can use dairy products again.

    So, again, check those web sites for a more in depth look in to what I
    just said. Your questions are valid=3F but they've already been answered
    in those web sites.

    Max.

  17. Quoted message said:

    So, in regards to cow's milk casein protein issue, does anyone
    have information whether the amount of casein protein contained within raw
    cow's milk differs from the amount to the casein protein contained within
    store-bought cow's milk?

    Well, you're asking the wrong question again. If I had to guess, I
    would say that there are fairly equal amounts of casein in both
    pasteurized and raw milk. However, there are 2 fundamental differences:

    1 - it is possible (though I couldn't find anything online to
    substantiate this) that casein may become partially denatured during the
    pasteurization process. Denaturization of proteins is common in cooked
    foods and can be more difficult for our digestive systems.

    2 - more importantly, raw milk still has caseinase in tact and active.
    Caseinase is the specific proteolytic enzyme that acts on casein once
    the milk reaches a certain pH level. The same goes for all raw foods.
    The metabolic enzymes of one living thing become digestive enzymes once
    that living thing becomes a food. Pasteurization kills the enzyme
    activity in milk. In fact, one of the tests for proper pasteurization
    is a check for the enzyme phosphatase. If the milk lacks phosphatase,
    it's considered "clean."

    The lack of enzymes in pasteurized milk is really at the heart of the
    debate. Many people who thought they were "casein sensitive" or
    "lactose intolerant" find that if they slowly add raw milk to their diet
    that they can use dairy products again.

    So, again, check those web sites for a more in depth look in to what I
    just said. Your questions are valid=3F but they've already been answered
    in those web sites.

    Max.

  18. Max C. said:
    Quoted message said:

    So, in regards to cow's milk casein protein issue, does anyone
    have information whether the amount of casein protein contained within


    raw

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    cow's milk differs from the amount to the casein protein contained


    within

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    store-bought cow's milk?

    Well, you're asking the wrong question again. If I had to guess, I
    would say that there are fairly equal amounts of casein in both
    pasteurized and raw milk. However, there are 2 fundamental differences:

    Thanks for the info.

  19. Max C. said:
    Quoted message said:

    So, in regards to cow's milk casein protein issue, does anyone
    have information whether the amount of casein protein contained within


    raw

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    cow's milk differs from the amount to the casein protein contained


    within

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    store-bought cow's milk?

    Well, you're asking the wrong question again. If I had to guess, I
    would say that there are fairly equal amounts of casein in both
    pasteurized and raw milk. However, there are 2 fundamental differences:

    Thanks for the info.

  20. Max C. said:
    Quoted message said:

    So, in regards to cow's milk casein protein issue, does anyone
    have information whether the amount of casein protein contained within


    raw

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    cow's milk differs from the amount to the casein protein contained


    within

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    store-bought cow's milk?

    Well, you're asking the wrong question again. If I had to guess, I
    would say that there are fairly equal amounts of casein in both
    pasteurized and raw milk. However, there are 2 fundamental differences:

    Thanks for the info.

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