Rasmussen

Texan said:

Poetic justice. This 60kg turkey has been sucking on Lance's wheel for the
past 19 days, doing absolutely no work. But when he finds himself in the
"Race of Truth" he reveals himself as a joke. Jan is back in his rightful
position.

Harsh
Damm harsh actually. WOuldnt wish a day like that on my worst enemy.

dave <[email hidden]> wrote in
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Texan said:

Poetic justice. This 60kg turkey has been sucking on Lance's wheel
for the past 19 days, doing absolutely no work. But when he finds
himself in the "Race of Truth" he reveals himself as a joke. Jan is
back in his rightful position.

Harsh
Damm harsh actually. WOuldnt wish a day like that on my worst enemy.

Strange, I thought he staged a long breakaway in an early mountain stage
giving him a stage win and the KOM jersey and since then Lance hasn't
let him get away (since he was too close in overall time)

'til last night he'd rode really well but I think inexperience wiped him
out. I guessing but I think since he knew he was weak in the time trial
he tried too hard to defend his podium place.

After two crashes and 4 bikes; I think he did pretty well to still beat
half the filed (home in 73rd). It takes a lot of guts to keep pushing
that hard, he still managed to remain above Cadel who had rode a PB.

But what the heck would I know, I don't do time trials (ever). I need
to suck wheels to make it to the line.

Cheers

BrettM

dave said:

Harsh
Damm harsh actually. WOuldnt wish a day like that on my worst enemy.

Haha, lets feed the trolls ... Lance is the biggest wheelsucker out, his team drag him around all the time.

till

Seemed to me that he was returning to his MTB roots and heading
off-road.

On 2005-07-24, dave (aka Bruce)
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:

Quoted message said:

Texan said:

Poetic justice. This 60kg turkey has been sucking on Lance's wheel for the
past 19 days, doing absolutely no work. But when he finds himself in the
"Race of Truth" he reveals himself as a joke. Jan is back in his rightful
position.

Harsh
Damm harsh actually. WOuldnt wish a day like that on my worst enemy.

Our Minessotan friend hasn't moved to Texas, has he?

--
TimC
"`Ford, you're turning into a penguin. Stop it.'" -THHGTTG

BrettM said:

dave <[email hidden]> wrote in
news:[email hidden]:

Quoted message said:

Texan said:

Poetic justice. This 60kg turkey has been sucking on Lance's wheel
for the past 19 days, doing absolutely no work. But when he finds
himself in the "Race of Truth" he reveals himself as a joke. Jan is
back in his rightful position.

Harsh
Damm harsh actually. WOuldnt wish a day like that on my worst enemy.

Strange, I thought he staged a long breakaway in an early mountain stage
giving him a stage win and the KOM jersey and since then Lance hasn't
let him get away (since he was too close in overall time)

'til last night he'd rode really well but I think inexperience wiped him
out. I guessing but I think since he knew he was weak in the time trial
he tried too hard to defend his podium place.

After two crashes and 4 bikes; I think he did pretty well to still beat
half the filed (home in 73rd). It takes a lot of guts to keep pushing
that hard, he still managed to remain above Cadel who had rode a PB.

But what the heck would I know, I don't do time trials (ever). I need
to suck wheels to make it to the line.

Cheers

BrettM

Yeah he deserved better.. which was my point.. 🙂

quote='dave'Texan said:

Poetic justice. This 60kg turkey has been sucking on Lance's wheel for the
past 19 days, doing absolutely no work. But when he finds himself in the
"Race of Truth" he reveals himself as a joke. Jan is back in his rightful
position.

Harsh
Damm harsh actually. WOuldnt wish a day like that on my worst enemy.[/QUOTE]

it seems such a technical course that many rides like Mikael would have been better off on road bikes not TT bikes. he seems such a rigid perfectionist though that as he got more anxious he was less able to tolerate imperfection in himself or in his bike. As soon as he got onto his second bike he was immediately asking for another one.

ProfTournesol said:

it seems such a technical course that many rides like Mikael would have
been better off on road bikes not TT bikes. he seems such a rigid
perfectionist though that as he got more anxious he was less able to
tolerate imperfection in himself or in his bike. As soon as he got onto
his second bike he was immediately asking for another one.

I was wondering at the time how much of the bike swapping was for
mechanical problems and how much was just his mind playing tricks. He
just seemed to lose the plot there for a while.

DaveB

quote='DaveB'ProfTournesol said:

it seems such a technical course that many rides like Mikael would have
been better off on road bikes not TT bikes. he seems such a rigid
perfectionist though that as he got more anxious he was less able to
tolerate imperfection in himself or in his bike. As soon as he got onto
his second bike he was immediately asking for another one.

I was wondering at the time how much of the bike swapping was for
mechanical problems and how much was just his mind playing tricks. He
just seemed to lose the plot there for a while.

DaveB[/QUOTE]
it was at once, both extremely amusing and I also felt for him badly.... mixed feelings... in-experience, he was just trying to hard, where as guys like jan and lance it just looks second nature.....

anyway hes alright..... bit of skin scraped off, so i reckon it should make funniest home videos next week, especially the 2nd off that he just saved.

I missed the incident where a "rider" came around that really tight corner too fast the one with the wall in your face, apparently there was a dog asleep at that corner at the time which got a rude wake up call.....! anybody see that ???

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Quoted message said:

Cheers

BrettM

Yeah he deserved better.. which was my point.. 🙂

And I shouldn't be lazy. I'm replying to the troll but couldn't be
bothered reading his drivel again 🙂

Cheers

BrettM

DaveB said:

I was wondering at the time how much of the bike swapping was for
mechanical problems and how much was just his mind playing tricks. He
just seemed to lose the plot there for a while.

They don't send someone out with 5 bikes for a 55km time trial event.

The first bike had a rear wheel puncture after the his first stack.
Then they failed to replace the wheel correctly and he switched to the
second bike. There was something wrong with that one. After that he
was just switch back trying to figure out which bike and wheels were
the least worst.

By that stage what he probably wanted was something with 2 inch
knobbly tyres, not what seemed to him like a two wheeled version of
ice skates.

A lot of riders didn't look comfortable riding the course on TT bikes.
Basso after he went out too fast and was just making sure he held on
for second place in the GC was shakey too, unable to find the line
through the corners.

dewatf.

dewatf wrote :

Quoted message said:

He just seemed to lose the plot there for a while.<

I watched both prangs again in slow motion today because I couldn't work out
last night in either instance what brought him down.

In neither case did the road nor the bike seem to be the problem - on both
occasions he was out of the cleat with his leg fully extended before he
fell, as if he was expecting/anticipating the crash. Maybe the pressure had
gotten to him or his middle ear/balance was out of wack because he was one
hell of a mtb rider before his road career and those kiddies really can
ride. Just a really bad day for a good rider?

Quoted message said:

A lot of riders didn't look comfortable riding the course on TT bikes.<

Is the geometry/stability on a tt bike that different to a roadie - the head
tube angle looks steeper but are they THAT much more deadly?

Next year should be a cracker - best, Andrew

dewatf wrote :

Quoted message said:

He just seemed to lose the plot there for a while.<

I watched both prangs again in slow motion today because I couldn't work out
last night in either instance what brought him down.

In neither case did the road nor the bike seem to be the problem - on both
occasions he was out of the cleat with his leg fully extended before he
fell, as if he was expecting/anticipating the crash. Maybe the pressure had
gotten to him or his middle ear/balance was out of wack because he was one
hell of a mtb rider before his road career and those kiddies really can
ride. Just a really bad day for a good rider?

Quoted message said:

A lot of riders didn't look comfortable riding the course on TT bikes.<

Is the geometry/stability on a tt bike that different to a roadie - the head
tube angle looks steeper but are they THAT much more deadly?

Next year should be a cracker - best, Andrew

Andrew Price said:

dewatf wrote :

Quoted message said:

He just seemed to lose the plot there for a while.<

I watched both prangs again in slow motion today because I couldn't work out
last night in either instance what brought him down.

In neither case did the road nor the bike seem to be the problem - on both
occasions he was out of the cleat with his leg fully extended before he
fell, as if he was expecting/anticipating the crash. Maybe the pressure had
gotten to him or his middle ear/balance was out of wack because he was one
hell of a mtb rider before his road career and those kiddies really can
ride. Just a really bad day for a good rider?

Sliding on dirt is not at all like sliding on bitumen.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

A lot of riders didn't look comfortable riding the course on TT bikes.<

Is the geometry/stability on a tt bike that different to a roadie - the head
tube angle looks steeper but are they THAT much more deadly?

Not if you're Lance, Vino, Cadel or Jan. Like anything, if you don't
show up prepared, you pay the price.

Andrew Price said:

dewatf wrote :

Quoted message said:

He just seemed to lose the plot there for a while.<

I watched both prangs again in slow motion today because I couldn't work out
last night in either instance what brought him down.

In neither case did the road nor the bike seem to be the problem - on both
occasions he was out of the cleat with his leg fully extended before he
fell, as if he was expecting/anticipating the crash. Maybe the pressure had
gotten to him or his middle ear/balance was out of wack because he was one
hell of a mtb rider before his road career and those kiddies really can
ride. Just a really bad day for a good rider?

Sliding on dirt is not at all like sliding on bitumen.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

A lot of riders didn't look comfortable riding the course on TT bikes.<

Is the geometry/stability on a tt bike that different to a roadie - the head
tube angle looks steeper but are they THAT much more deadly?

Not if you're Lance, Vino, Cadel or Jan. Like anything, if you don't
show up prepared, you pay the price.

Andrew Price said:

dewatf wrote :

Quoted message said:

He just seemed to lose the plot there for a while.<

I watched both prangs again in slow motion today because I couldn't work out
last night in either instance what brought him down.

In neither case did the road nor the bike seem to be the problem - on both
occasions he was out of the cleat with his leg fully extended before he
fell, as if he was expecting/anticipating the crash. Maybe the pressure had
gotten to him or his middle ear/balance was out of wack because he was one
hell of a mtb rider before his road career and those kiddies really can
ride. Just a really bad day for a good rider?

Sliding on dirt is not at all like sliding on bitumen.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

A lot of riders didn't look comfortable riding the course on TT bikes.<

Is the geometry/stability on a tt bike that different to a roadie - the head
tube angle looks steeper but are they THAT much more deadly?

Not if you're Lance, Vino, Cadel or Jan. Like anything, if you don't
show up prepared, you pay the price.

Andrew Price said:

I watched both prangs again in slow motion today because I couldn't work out
last night in either instance what brought him down.
In neither case did the road nor the bike seem to be the problem - on both
occasions he was out of the cleat with his leg fully extended before he
fell, as if he was expecting/anticipating the crash.

Presumably that was after he had got things wrong and was preparing
for going down.

In the first crash the front wheel slipped out from under him. Not
judging the camber on the roundabout properly, hitting a patch of
grease?

The second one looked like he just took the wrong line through a
corner.

Quoted message said:

Maybe the pressure had
gotten to him or his middle ear/balance was out of wack because he was one
hell of a mtb rider before his road career and those kiddies really can
ride. Just a really bad day for a good rider?

Too much time worrying about Ullrich breathing down his neck and not
enough concerntrating on the road, after the first crash he was
probably in shock.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

A lot of riders didn't look comfortable riding the course on TT bikes.<

Is the geometry/stability on a tt bike that different to a roadie - the head
tube angle looks steeper but are they THAT much more deadly?

TT bikes have a shorter wheel base, more rigid frame, you sit further
forward over the pedals. They also don't steer as well and can have
solid wheels to reduce drag which can effect maneoverability.

But it depends. Lance looks as comforable maneovering around through
corners on his TT bike as his road bike. Though according to the
commentators he spent alot of time in windtunnels getting a bike that
both suited his riding and had low windresistance.

And it would also depend on how much time you have spent riding on the
TT bike. Discovery do a fair amount of preparation I understand.

dewatf.

Andrew Price said:

I watched both prangs again in slow motion today because I couldn't work out
last night in either instance what brought him down.
In neither case did the road nor the bike seem to be the problem - on both
occasions he was out of the cleat with his leg fully extended before he
fell, as if he was expecting/anticipating the crash.

Presumably that was after he had got things wrong and was preparing
for going down.

In the first crash the front wheel slipped out from under him. Not
judging the camber on the roundabout properly, hitting a patch of
grease?

The second one looked like he just took the wrong line through a
corner.

Quoted message said:

Maybe the pressure had
gotten to him or his middle ear/balance was out of wack because he was one
hell of a mtb rider before his road career and those kiddies really can
ride. Just a really bad day for a good rider?

Too much time worrying about Ullrich breathing down his neck and not
enough concerntrating on the road, after the first crash he was
probably in shock.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

A lot of riders didn't look comfortable riding the course on TT bikes.<

Is the geometry/stability on a tt bike that different to a roadie - the head
tube angle looks steeper but are they THAT much more deadly?

TT bikes have a shorter wheel base, more rigid frame, you sit further
forward over the pedals. They also don't steer as well and can have
solid wheels to reduce drag which can effect maneoverability.

But it depends. Lance looks as comforable maneovering around through
corners on his TT bike as his road bike. Though according to the
commentators he spent alot of time in windtunnels getting a bike that
both suited his riding and had low windresistance.

And it would also depend on how much time you have spent riding on the
TT bike. Discovery do a fair amount of preparation I understand.

dewatf.

Andrew Price said:

I watched both prangs again in slow motion today because I couldn't work out
last night in either instance what brought him down.
In neither case did the road nor the bike seem to be the problem - on both
occasions he was out of the cleat with his leg fully extended before he
fell, as if he was expecting/anticipating the crash.

Presumably that was after he had got things wrong and was preparing
for going down.

In the first crash the front wheel slipped out from under him. Not
judging the camber on the roundabout properly, hitting a patch of
grease?

The second one looked like he just took the wrong line through a
corner.

Quoted message said:

Maybe the pressure had
gotten to him or his middle ear/balance was out of wack because he was one
hell of a mtb rider before his road career and those kiddies really can
ride. Just a really bad day for a good rider?

Too much time worrying about Ullrich breathing down his neck and not
enough concerntrating on the road, after the first crash he was
probably in shock.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

A lot of riders didn't look comfortable riding the course on TT bikes.<

Is the geometry/stability on a tt bike that different to a roadie - the head
tube angle looks steeper but are they THAT much more deadly?

TT bikes have a shorter wheel base, more rigid frame, you sit further
forward over the pedals. They also don't steer as well and can have
solid wheels to reduce drag which can effect maneoverability.

But it depends. Lance looks as comforable maneovering around through
corners on his TT bike as his road bike. Though according to the
commentators he spent alot of time in windtunnels getting a bike that
both suited his riding and had low windresistance.

And it would also depend on how much time you have spent riding on the
TT bike. Discovery do a fair amount of preparation I understand.

dewatf.