I watched both prangs again in slow motion today because I couldn't work out last night in either instance what brought him down. In neither case did the road nor the bike seem to be the problem - on both occasions he was out of the cleat with his leg fully extended before he fell, as if he was expecting/anticipating the crash.
Presumably that was after he had got things wrong and was preparing for going down.
In the first crash the front wheel slipped out from under him. Not judging the camber on the roundabout properly, hitting a patch of grease?
The second one looked like he just took the wrong line through a corner.
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Maybe the pressure had gotten to him or his middle ear/balance was out of wack because he was one hell of a mtb rider before his road career and those kiddies really can ride. Just a really bad day for a good rider?
Too much time worrying about Ullrich breathing down his neck and not enough concerntrating on the road, after the first crash he was probably in shock.
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A lot of riders didn't look comfortable riding the course on TT bikes.<
Is the geometry/stability on a tt bike that different to a roadie - the head tube angle looks steeper but are they THAT much more deadly?
TT bikes have a shorter wheel base, more rigid frame, you sit further forward over the pedals. They also don't steer as well and can have solid wheels to reduce drag which can effect maneoverability.
But it depends. Lance looks as comforable maneovering around through corners on his TT bike as his road bike. Though according to the commentators he spent alot of time in windtunnels getting a bike that both suited his riding and had low windresistance.
And it would also depend on how much time you have spent riding on the TT bike. Discovery do a fair amount of preparation I understand.
dewatf.
also Lance didn't even use a solid rear wheel, guess he deemed the course tricky enough not to warrant the use of a solid rear wheel and it also had some hills in it.
also Lance didn't even use a solid rear wheel, guess he deemed the course tricky enough not to warrant the use of a solid rear wheel and it also had some hills in it.
and lo and behold he had easily the best time.
It wouldn't suprise me if the reason Lance spent so much effort and expense on getting his TT bike right for the Tour was just so he could win that stage.
Rasmussen who only wanted a stage win and the polka dot jersy and probably didn't think too much about the time trials at all, until he was riding in one with Ullrich challenging him for a podium finish.
Kind of shame for Rasmussen in a way. If he'd done as well as he had in the mountains and was defending 7th in the GC he probably wouldn't have had any problems, conisdered it a terrific result and something to build apon for next year.
also Lance didn't even use a solid rear wheel, guess he deemed the course tricky enough not to warrant the use of a solid rear wheel and it also had some hills in it.
and lo and behold he had easily the best time.
It wouldn't suprise me if the reason Lance spent so much effort and expense on getting his TT bike right for the Tour was just so he could win that stage.
Rasmussen who only wanted a stage win and the polka dot jersy and probably didn't think too much about the time trials at all, until he was riding in one with Ullrich challenging him for a podium finish.
Kind of shame for Rasmussen in a way. If he'd done as well as he had in the mountains and was defending 7th in the GC he probably wouldn't have had any problems, conisdered it a terrific result and something to build apon for next year.
also Lance didn't even use a solid rear wheel, guess he deemed the course tricky enough not to warrant the use of a solid rear wheel and it also had some hills in it.
and lo and behold he had easily the best time.
It wouldn't suprise me if the reason Lance spent so much effort and expense on getting his TT bike right for the Tour was just so he could win that stage.
Rasmussen who only wanted a stage win and the polka dot jersy and probably didn't think too much about the time trials at all, until he was riding in one with Ullrich challenging him for a podium finish.
Kind of shame for Rasmussen in a way. If he'd done as well as he had in the mountains and was defending 7th in the GC he probably wouldn't have had any problems, conisdered it a terrific result and something to build apon for next year.
also Lance didn't even use a solid rear wheel, guess he deemed the course tricky enough not to warrant the use of a solid rear wheel and it also had some hills in it.
and lo and behold he had easily the best time.
It wouldn't suprise me if the reason Lance spent so much effort and expense on getting his TT bike right for the Tour was just so he could win that stage.
Rasmussen who only wanted a stage win and the polka dot jersy and probably didn't think too much about the time trials at all, until he was riding in one with Ullrich challenging him for a podium finish.
Kind of shame for Rasmussen in a way. If he'd done as well as he had in the mountains and was defending 7th in the GC he probably wouldn't have had any problems, conisdered it a terrific result and something to build apon for next year.
also Lance didn't even use a solid rear wheel, guess he deemed the course tricky enough not to warrant the use of a solid rear wheel and it also had some hills in it.
and lo and behold he had easily the best time.
It wouldn't suprise me if the reason Lance spent so much effort and expense on getting his TT bike right for the Tour was just so he could win that stage.
Rasmussen who only wanted a stage win and the polka dot jersy and probably didn't think too much about the time trials at all, until he was riding in one with Ullrich challenging him for a podium finish.
Kind of shame for Rasmussen in a way. If he'd done as well as he had in the mountains and was defending 7th in the GC he probably wouldn't have had any problems, conisdered it a terrific result and something to build apon for next year.
also Lance didn't even use a solid rear wheel, guess he deemed the course tricky enough not to warrant the use of a solid rear wheel and it also had some hills in it.
and lo and behold he had easily the best time.
It wouldn't suprise me if the reason Lance spent so much effort and expense on getting his TT bike right for the Tour was just so he could win that stage.
Rasmussen who only wanted a stage win and the polka dot jersy and probably didn't think too much about the time trials at all, until he was riding in one with Ullrich challenging him for a podium finish.
Kind of shame for Rasmussen in a way. If he'd done as well as he had in the mountains and was defending 7th in the GC he probably wouldn't have had any problems, conisdered it a terrific result and something to build apon for next year.
also Lance didn't even use a solid rear wheel, guess he deemed the course tricky enough not to warrant the use of a solid rear wheel and it also had some hills in it.
and lo and behold he had easily the best time.
It wouldn't suprise me if the reason Lance spent so much effort and expense on getting his TT bike right for the Tour was just so he could win that stage.
Rasmussen who only wanted a stage win and the polka dot jersy and probably didn't think too much about the time trials at all, until he was riding in one with Ullrich challenging him for a podium finish.
Kind of shame for Rasmussen in a way. If he'd done as well as he had in the mountains and was defending 7th in the GC he probably wouldn't have had any problems, conisdered it a terrific result and something to build apon for next year.
also Lance didn't even use a solid rear wheel, guess he deemed the course tricky enough not to warrant the use of a solid rear wheel and it also had some hills in it.
and lo and behold he had easily the best time.
It wouldn't suprise me if the reason Lance spent so much effort and expense on getting his TT bike right for the Tour was just so he could win that stage.
Rasmussen who only wanted a stage win and the polka dot jersy and probably didn't think too much about the time trials at all, until he was riding in one with Ullrich challenging him for a podium finish.
Kind of shame for Rasmussen in a way. If he'd done as well as he had in the mountains and was defending 7th in the GC he probably wouldn't have had any problems, conisdered it a terrific result and something to build apon for next year.
Rasmussen who only wanted a stage win and the polka dot jersy and probably didn't think too much about the time trials at all, until he was riding in one with Ullrich challenging him for a podium finish.
Kind of shame for Rasmussen in a way. If he'd done as well as he had in the mountains and was defending 7th in the GC he probably wouldn't have had any problems, conisdered it a terrific result and something to build apon for next year.
dewatf.
To have a bike that isn't terribly aero is one thing, but to have a bike that won't go at all is unforgivable. There should have been some bum kicking amongst the mechanics.
Rasmussen who only wanted a stage win and the polka dot jersy and probably didn't think too much about the time trials at all, until he was riding in one with Ullrich challenging him for a podium finish.
Kind of shame for Rasmussen in a way. If he'd done as well as he had in the mountains and was defending 7th in the GC he probably wouldn't have had any problems, conisdered it a terrific result and something to build apon for next year.
dewatf.
To have a bike that isn't terribly aero is one thing, but to have a bike that won't go at all is unforgivable. There should have been some bum kicking amongst the mechanics.
Rasmussen who only wanted a stage win and the polka dot jersy and probably didn't think too much about the time trials at all, until he was riding in one with Ullrich challenging him for a podium finish.
Kind of shame for Rasmussen in a way. If he'd done as well as he had in the mountains and was defending 7th in the GC he probably wouldn't have had any problems, conisdered it a terrific result and something to build apon for next year.
dewatf.
To have a bike that isn't terribly aero is one thing, but to have a bike that won't go at all is unforgivable. There should have been some bum kicking amongst the mechanics.
Rasmussen who only wanted a stage win and the polka dot jersy and probably didn't think too much about the time trials at all, until he was riding in one with Ullrich challenging him for a podium finish.
Kind of shame for Rasmussen in a way. If he'd done as well as he had in the mountains and was defending 7th in the GC he probably wouldn't have had any problems, conisdered it a terrific result and something to build apon for next year.
dewatf.
To have a bike that isn't terribly aero is one thing, but to have a bike that won't go at all is unforgivable. There should have been some bum kicking amongst the mechanics.
Rasmussen who only wanted a stage win and the polka dot jersy and probably didn't think too much about the time trials at all, until he was riding in one with Ullrich challenging him for a podium finish.
Kind of shame for Rasmussen in a way. If he'd done as well as he had in the mountains and was defending 7th in the GC he probably wouldn't have had any problems, conisdered it a terrific result and something to build apon for next year.
dewatf.
To have a bike that isn't terribly aero is one thing, but to have a bike that won't go at all is unforgivable. There should have been some bum kicking amongst the mechanics.
Rasmussen who only wanted a stage win and the polka dot jersy and probably didn't think too much about the time trials at all, until he was riding in one with Ullrich challenging him for a podium finish.
Kind of shame for Rasmussen in a way. If he'd done as well as he had in the mountains and was defending 7th in the GC he probably wouldn't have had any problems, conisdered it a terrific result and something to build apon for next year.
dewatf.
To have a bike that isn't terribly aero is one thing, but to have a bike that won't go at all is unforgivable. There should have been some bum kicking amongst the mechanics.
Rasmussen who only wanted a stage win and the polka dot jersy and probably didn't think too much about the time trials at all, until he was riding in one with Ullrich challenging him for a podium finish.
Kind of shame for Rasmussen in a way. If he'd done as well as he had in the mountains and was defending 7th in the GC he probably wouldn't have had any problems, conisdered it a terrific result and something to build apon for next year.
dewatf.
To have a bike that isn't terribly aero is one thing, but to have a bike that won't go at all is unforgivable. There should have been some bum kicking amongst the mechanics.
Rasmussen who only wanted a stage win and the polka dot jersy and probably didn't think too much about the time trials at all, until he was riding in one with Ullrich challenging him for a podium finish.
Kind of shame for Rasmussen in a way. If he'd done as well as he had in the mountains and was defending 7th in the GC he probably wouldn't have had any problems, conisdered it a terrific result and something to build apon for next year.
dewatf.
To have a bike that isn't terribly aero is one thing, but to have a bike that won't go at all is unforgivable. There should have been some bum kicking amongst the mechanics.
They also don't steer as well and can have solid wheels to reduce drag which > can effect maneoverability.
I also heard Phil & Paul banging on about the solid wheel being hard to steer, but I can't see how a rear sold wheel effects it. I can see how cross wind can effect the bike. The only thing that is touching the ground is a small oval footprint of the tyre. Even smaller with the higher tyre pressures that they run on TT setups. What is effecting tight steering\maneoverability?
They also don't steer as well and can have solid wheels to reduce drag which > can effect maneoverability.
I also heard Phil & Paul banging on about the solid wheel being hard to steer, but I can't see how a rear sold wheel effects it. I can see how cross wind can effect the bike. The only thing that is touching the ground is a small oval footprint of the tyre. Even smaller with the higher tyre pressures that they run on TT setups. What is effecting tight steering\maneoverability?
Yeah I thought about that, but surely these bikes are also as light a possible, so you are not going to wack a heavy wheel on the back? Or are you? They should be around the same weight has a standard wheel. Though I've never had the pleasure of fondling one of these 'steeds of speed'.
