Landis' comments

from procycling: http://www.procycling.com/news.aspx?ID=1466

After queries from readers wanting more details about comments made by
Floyd Landis to L’Equipe that earned a rebuke from Lance Armstrong,
here are the relevant sections of the story that appeared in yesterday
morning’s paper:

“I will always remember the 2003 Tour, it was the only time that people
thought he could lose. Everyone around him was concerned, even us, his
team-mates. But the most surprising thing was that he didn’t show
anything. I will always remember that he directed the other riders
around like the boss of a company. For him, the race was business and
he was the boss.

“In some teams they often talk about their friendship, but in a team
like that with someone who behaves as if he really is the boss, I don’t
think you can go that far in talking about friendship. In everyday life
it’s hard to be friends with your boss. I don’t believe that Lance has
ever had that kind of friendship with any of his team-mates, even with
George Hincapie, whom he has known since he was 17. Friendship can’t
exist when you give orders and direct others. It’s not necessarily a
negative thing. It’s by acting in this way that Lance has been able to
win the Tour so often.”

I just read this in L'Equipe, and it seems reasonable to me. After
being under total Armstrong control it seems fair for Landis to express
his mixed feelings. If Armstrong takes it badly, then it will just
confirm that there is a problem. As was pointed out in the Playboy
interview, Armstrong is not very graceful about his detractors. It
reminds me of James Cameron's flame war with the film critic of
the LA Times who gave a negative review of Titanic: You just made
a billion won numerous Academy Awards, so why
focus on a single negative point.

-ilan

Dewey B a écrit :

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from procycling: http://www.procycling.com/news.aspx?ID=1466

After queries from readers wanting more details about comments made by
Floyd Landis to L?Equipe that earned a rebuke from Lance Armstrong,
here are the relevant sections of the story that appeared in yesterday
morning?s paper:

?I will always remember the 2003 Tour, it was the only time that people
thought he could lose. Everyone around him was concerned, even us, his
team-mates. But the most surprising thing was that he didn?t show
anything. I will always remember that he directed the other riders
around like the boss of a company. For him, the race was business and
he was the boss.

?In some teams they often talk about their friendship, but in a team
like that with someone who behaves as if he really is the boss, I don?t
think you can go that far in talking about friendship. In everyday life
it?s hard to be friends with your boss. I don?t believe that Lance has
ever had that kind of friendship with any of his team-mates, even with
George Hincapie, whom he has known since he was 17. Friendship can?t
exist when you give orders and direct others. It?s not necessarily a
negative thing. It?s by acting in this way that Lance has been able to
win the Tour so often.?

Jim Flom said:

Anyone know what Landis said?

See the thread "Floyd & Lance" that started about 15 hours ago, and the
answer by "trg" in particular.

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Anyone have any links to photos or videos of that moment? I don't
think OLN caught it nor did they talk about it today. A friend who
watches French TV said Lance was standing on his pedals yelling and
gesturing while Floyd ignored him.

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Jim Flom said:

Anyone know what Landis said?

See the thread "Floyd & Lance" that started about 15 hours ago, and the
answer by "trg" in particular.

If trg and the above comments by Dewey, I have to say, what's the big deal?

On the other hand, I was quite annoyed at the article that appeared
right next to the Landis comments, and was very much insulting to
Armstrong. It was about the Casartelli memorial service held on the
rest day, and the author of the article makes it clear what he thinks
about the fact that Armstrong wasn't there. In fact, the article
is titled: "Absent aux ceremonies pour Casartelli". The person
who wrote that deserves the full wrath of Armstrong, in my opinion.
Just to show you that it isn't easy being him.

-ilan

Jim Flom a écrit :

Quoted message said:

from cyclingnews, today's TdF report...
"Motivated perhaps by the chance to distance Floyd Landis, who Armstrong
considered had made unsavoury comments about him in L'Equipe..."

Anyone know what Landis said?

[email hidden] a écrit :

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is titled: "Absent aux ceremonies pour Casartelli".

For those who don't speak French, the point is that only
a single Tour rider went to the ceremony, but the word
"Absent" in the title is singular, despite the 155
absentees.

-ilan

It has bothered me how self-centered Lance has been over the years.
Lance has this attitude of "your with me or your against me".

With so much talent on Discovery it will be hard for a new team captain
to maintain this.

Personally I think the Look team and or Renault-Elf team promoted a
more healthy racing attitude. Although Lance has seemed a bit more
willing to let other members of Discovery win a stage now that is
victory is fairly certain.

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Jim Flom said:

If trg and the above comments by Dewey, I have to say, what's the big deal?

Lance's thuggish antics always draw interest.

Particularly since there is little point to them.

It's true, but that's partly what makes him such a winner -- competitive
even about trivial stuff.

m.

Oh no, someone thought their boss was to "business like" and not
friendly enough. And some boss, when he heard that, said 'tough
titties'.

That's a story that's happened since the beginning of time and will go
on forever.

Damn, they can make news out of anything.

Jim Flom said:

If trg and the above comments by Dewey, I have to say, what's the big deal?

Lance's thuggish antics always draw interest.

Particularly since there is little point to them.

Quoted message said:

Jim Flom said:

If trg and the above comments by Dewey, I have to say, what's the big deal?

Lance's thuggish antics always draw interest.

Particularly since there is little point to them.

HE BEAT LANDIS UP? Right in the middle of a stage?!?

Dewey B said:

Anyone have any links to photos or videos of that moment? I don't
think OLN caught it nor did they talk about it today. A friend who
watches French TV said Lance was standing on his pedals yelling and
gesturing while Floyd ignored him.

nice, i'm bneginnig to like this Landis guy 🙂

Here is another story of something that happened during stage 9.

M.Rasmussen was in a brakeaway along with Cioni, while Vogt and Moreau
chases them.

Armstrongs's is beginning to worry because he dosen't know who
M.Rasmussen is, and seeks out Bogerd in the peloton to ask him: "This
Rasmussen, who is he? And what is he doing out there?", Bogerd
answars: "Don't worry about him, he's just collecting points, once he
has passed all the climbs he will stop". An anoid Armstrong says to
Bogerd as he rides back to his team "whatever... i don't care about
him anyway." An hour or two later when M.Rasmussssen has passed all the
climbs and has'nt stoped, Armstrong seeks out Bogerd again and asks
him "Hey, didn't you say that he would stop, once he had passed the
climbs? and Bogerds answers him: "Didn't you say that you didn't
care about him?"

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"Tim Lines" <[email hidden]> wrote ...

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HE BEAT LANDIS UP? Right in the middle of a stage?!?

How do you know this? "In his post-race comments, however, Armstrong did
not allude to any desire to turn the screws on his former teammate. "

Morten Reippuert Knudsen said:

Dewey B said:

Anyone have any links to photos or videos of that moment? I don't
think OLN caught it nor did they talk about it today. A friend who
watches French TV said Lance was standing on his pedals yelling and
gesturing while Floyd ignored him.

nice, i'm bneginnig to like this Landis guy 🙂

Here is another story of something that happened during stage 9.

M.Rasmussen was in a brakeaway along with Cioni, while Vogt and Moreau
chases them.

Armstrongs's is beginning to worry because he dosen't know who
M.Rasmussen is, and seeks out Bogerd in the peloton to ask him: "This
Rasmussen, who is he? And what is he doing out there?", Bogerd
answars: "Don't worry about him, he's just collecting points, once he
has passed all the climbs he will stop". An anoid Armstrong says to
Bogerd as he rides back to his team "whatever... i don't care about
him anyway." An hour or two later when M.Rasmussssen has passed all the
climbs and has'nt stoped, Armstrong seeks out Bogerd again and asks
him "Hey, didn't you say that he would stop, once he had passed the
climbs? and Bogerds answers him: "Didn't you say that you didn't
care about him?"

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PowerMac G5: 1.6GHz, 1.25GB RAM, 300+300GB SATA, 8xDVD+/-RW, Bluetooth
mus + tastatur, R9600PRO, iSight, eyeTV200 & LaCie Photon18Vision TFT

Interesting story, but should not the main character have been Ullrich?

Jim Flom said:

"Tim Lines" <[email hidden]> wrote ...

Quoted message said:

HE BEAT LANDIS UP? Right in the middle of a stage?!?

How do you know this? "In his post-race comments, however, Armstrong did
not allude to any desire to turn the screws on his former teammate. "

Um, I don't. Unfortunately, you trimmed the bit I was responding to.
Drew says:

Quoted message said:

Lance's thuggish antics always draw interest.

I'm thinking that Lance talking to Landis while they're riding a stage
hardly qualifies as "thuggish". When 2 people don't see eye to eye on a
subject and they speak to each other about it, it is unreasonable to
describe that as "thuggish". For Lance to have behaved thuggishly, he
would have had to break Landis' kneecaps or something.

What I'm saying here is that Drew is guilty of genocide. See?

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Jim Flom said:

"Tim Lines" <[email hidden]> wrote ...

Quoted message said:

HE BEAT LANDIS UP? Right in the middle of a stage?!?

How do you know this? "In his post-race comments, however, Armstrong did
not allude to any desire to turn the screws on his former teammate. "

Um, I don't. Unfortunately, you trimmed the bit I was responding to. Drew
says:

Quoted message said:

Lance's thuggish antics always draw interest.

I'm thinking that Lance talking to Landis while they're riding a stage
hardly qualifies as "thuggish". When 2 people don't see eye to eye on a
subject and they speak to each other about it, it is unreasonable to
describe that as "thuggish". For Lance to have behaved thuggishly, he
would have had to break Landis' kneecaps or something.

What I'm saying here is that Drew is guilty of genocide. See?

It would be reasonable to invoke the Patriot Act, and Rumsfeld can detain
him as an enemy combatant, and hold him indefinitely without charges since
there's already a prima facie case against him.

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Tim Lines said:

I'm thinking that Lance talking to Landis while they're riding a stage
hardly qualifies as "thuggish".

Like the way he "talked" to Simeoni last year.

Don't try to change the subject, you baby killer.

Tim Lines said:

Quoted message said:

Tim Lines said:

I'm thinking that Lance talking to Landis while they're riding a stage
hardly qualifies as "thuggish".

Like the way he "talked" to Simeoni last year.

Don't try to change the subject, you baby killer.

LMAO