Landis' comments

Tim Lines said:

I'm thinking that Lance talking to Landis while they're riding a stage
hardly qualifies as "thuggish".

Like the way he "talked" to Simeoni last year.

On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 01:22:30 +0200, Morten Reippuert

Knudsen said:

Here is another story of something that happened during stage 9.

M.Rasmussen was in a brakeaway along with Cioni, while Vogt and Moreau
chases them.

Armstrongs's is beginning to worry because he dosen't know who
M.Rasmussen is, and seeks out Bogerd in the peloton to ask him: "This
Rasmussen, who is he? And what is he doing out there?", Bogerd
answars: "Don't worry about him, he's just collecting points, once he
has passed all the climbs he will stop". An anoid Armstrong says to
Bogerd as he rides back to his team "whatever... i don't care about
him anyway." An hour or two later when M.Rasmussssen has passed all the
climbs and has'nt stoped, Armstrong seeks out Bogerd again and asks
him "Hey, didn't you say that he would stop, once he had passed the
climbs? and Bogerds answers him: "Didn't you say that you didn't
care about him?"

This is some great stuff.

Tim Lines said:

Quoted message said:

Like the way he "talked" to Simeoni last year.

Don't try to change the subject,

Hello ? A public humiliation in the peloton, for all the world to
observe ?

Quoted message said:

Personally I think the Look team and or Renault-Elf team promoted a
more healthy racing attitude. Although Lance has seemed a bit more
willing to let other members of Discovery win a stage now that is
victory is fairly certain.

I think he's a bit - just a bit - of a jerk, reading about and watching
him over the years. Other riders, and other sports champions, are more
graceful and friendly. But there are also very many who are worse, some
much worse (baseball players come to mind).

It's got to be hard to read years worth of press clippings like he gets,
and maintain your healthy self-perspective. Some of the adulation is
going to sink in.

Remember in 2002(?) when Heras was kicking ass in Lance's name, and
Lance expressed his wish to "get a stage win for Roberto."

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Conservative dictionary:
Judicial Activist: n. A judge who tends to rule against your wishes.

Lance to me seems a bit self centered and pretentious. But when you
look at his conduct overall it does not qualify as a jerk at least in
my judgement.

Lance seems to have this I am celebrity so don't talk to me attitude. I
remember Lance came to San Diego to carry the torch for the Olympics.
After Lance gave his speech he simply rushed off and only signed a
couple of autographs.

Jim Flom said:

It would be reasonable to invoke the Patriot Act, and Rumsfeld can detain
him as an enemy combatant, and hold him indefinitely without charges since
there's already a prima facie case against him.

Rumsfeld must be a regular poster to rbr. I mean he is a dumbass, so
therefore he must be a rbr poster. I leave it to heather to tell us what
rumsfeld's rbr alias is.

Morten Reippuert Knudsen said:

Here is another story of something that happened during stage 9.

M.Rasmussen was in a brakeaway along with Cioni, while Vogt and Moreau
chases them.

Armstrongs's is beginning to worry because he dosen't know who
M.Rasmussen is, and seeks out Bogerd in the peloton to ask him: "This
Rasmussen, who is he? And what is he doing out there?", Bogerd
answars: "Don't worry about him, he's just collecting points, once he
has passed all the climbs he will stop". An anoid Armstrong says to
Bogerd as he rides back to his team "whatever... i don't care about
him anyway." An hour or two later when M.Rasmussssen has passed all the
climbs and has'nt stoped, Armstrong seeks out Bogerd again and asks
him "Hey, didn't you say that he would stop, once he had passed the
climbs? and Bogerds answers him: "Didn't you say that you didn't
care about him?"

The bogey man got LANCE ?

Quoted message said:

Interesting story, but should not the main character have been Ullrich?

Ulrich knew about Rasmussen, one can only wonder why Armstrong didn't.

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This is some great stuff.

Yes, collected by Jørgen Leth <http://imdb.com/name/nm0504654/>.

Danish tv viewers has been fortunate enough that filmmaker and
cyclingfan Jørgen Leth has commented TDF (and other major races) for
danish TV for more than 25 years. He doesn't alwasy notice the
tactical spins and who's who - but is very good at finding and telling
stories.

btw a must for every cycling fans are these two Leth films about
cycling:

<http://imdb.com/title/tt0200173/>

<http://imdb.com/title/tt0193171/>

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Jim Flom said:

If trg and the above comments by Dewey, I have to say, what's the big
deal?

Lance's thuggish antics always draw interest.

Particularly since there is little point to them.

It's true, but that's partly what makes him such a winner -- competitive
even about trivial stuff.

Indurain didn't need that.

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?I will always remember the 2003 Tour, it was the only time that people
thought he could lose. Everyone around him was concerned, even us, his
team-mates. But the most surprising thing was that he didn?t show
anything. I will always remember that he directed the other riders
around like the boss of a company. For him, the race was business and
he was the boss.

?In some teams they often talk about their friendship, but in a team
like that with someone who behaves as if he really is the boss, I don?t
think you can go that far in talking about friendship. In everyday life
it?s hard to be friends with your boss. I don?t believe that Lance has
ever had that kind of friendship with any of his team-mates, even with
George Hincapie, whom he has known since he was 17. Friendship can?t
exist when you give orders and direct others. It?s not necessarily a
negative thing. It?s by acting in this way that Lance has been able to
win the Tour so often.?

Not why sure anybody is surprised. He is focused and undoubtedly the
boss. Many listen to him, respect him but not many want to go have a
beer with him.

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Quoted message said:

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?I will always remember the 2003 Tour, it was the only time that people
thought he could lose. Everyone around him was concerned, even us, his
team-mates. But the most surprising thing was that he didn?t show
anything. I will always remember that he directed the other riders
around like the boss of a company. For him, the race was business and
he was the boss.

?In some teams they often talk about their friendship, but in a team
like that with someone who behaves as if he really is the boss, I don?t
think you can go that far in talking about friendship. In everyday life
it?s hard to be friends with your boss. I don?t believe that Lance has
ever had that kind of friendship with any of his team-mates, even with
George Hincapie, whom he has known since he was 17. Friendship can?t
exist when you give orders and direct others. It?s not necessarily a
negative thing. It?s by acting in this way that Lance has been able to
win the Tour so often.?

Not why sure anybody is surprised. He is focused and undoubtedly the
boss. Many listen to him, respect him but not many want to go have a
beer with him.

You'd best not show up for the next Roses ride.

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On Wed, 20 Jul 2005 19:56:11 GMT, "Jim Flom "
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>
>If trg and the above comments by Dewey, I have to say, what's the big deal?
>

Lance's thuggish antics always draw interest.

Particularly since there is little point to them.

It's true, but that's partly what makes him such a winner -- competitive
even about trivial stuff.

Indurain didn't need that.

No, he didn't. But you look at the overall makeup of Armstrong, and he's
a battler with a chip on his shoulder probably because he's struggling with
some class issues. He doesn't settle for second, even in trivial personal slights.
It doesn't make him paricularly likeable always, even amongst his teammates,
but it does drive him to win.

m.

B. Lafferty said:

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Not why sure anybody is surprised. He is focused and undoubtedly the
boss. Many listen to him, respect him but not many want to go have a
beer with him.

You'd best not show up for the next Roses ride.

Well, I wouldn't go to that ride anyway but what I said was not
demeaning at all.
He is no different than many very strong bosses, Trump comes to mind,
Tiger Woods, Scotty Pippin, lots of others.

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B. Lafferty said:

"Qui si parla Campagnolo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Not why sure anybody is surprised. He is focused and undoubtedly the
boss. Many listen to him, respect him but not many want to go have a
beer with him.

You'd best not show up for the next Roses ride.

Well, I wouldn't go to that ride anyway but what I said was not
demeaning at all.
He is no different than many very strong bosses, Trump comes to mind,
Tiger Woods, Scotty Pippin, lots of others.

I'm not disagreeing with you. But what you've said apparently upsets
Armstrong. In any event, 600 of his "friends" are going to his retirement
bash at the Ritz. Was anyone from rbr invited??

B. Lafferty said:

Quoted message said:

Well, I wouldn't go to that ride anyway but what I said was not
demeaning at all.
He is no different than many very strong bosses, Trump comes to mind,
Tiger Woods, Scotty Pippin, lots of others.

I'm not disagreeing with you. But what you've said apparently upsets
Armstrong. In any event, 600 of his "friends" are going to his retirement
bash at the Ritz. Was anyone from rbr invited??

Maybe now he has a chance to be more friendly and open. A gent from
Velonews just returned from the race and said most teams, at the
finish, were very open and willing to yack with the fans. Special
mention was made of CSC and Ivan Basso. Discovery hustled behind a
guarded enclave and got out the 'back door' to their private hotel.

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Lance to me seems a bit self centered and pretentious. But when you
look at his conduct overall it does not qualify as a jerk at least in
my judgement.

Lance seems to have this I am celebrity so don't talk to me attitude. I
remember Lance came to San Diego to carry the torch for the Olympics.
After Lance gave his speech he simply rushed off and only signed a
couple of autographs.

Here's a different perspective to consider, from Coyle's book, pp 135-6:

People milled about the bus, thrill giving way to disappointment. He had
been there--right there--and now he was gone. A middle-aged man approached
John Korioth, having deduced that Korioth was Armstrong's good friend,
College. The man told his story. His name was David, and he had leukemia.
David had come from Califronia to see Lance. This was his third straight day
outside the bus; each time Armstrong had stopped for ten seconds, talked to
one person, and bolted. Now David was more than upset; he was [censored]. He
wanted thirty seconds, no more. What more could he do? Was there a way, any
way?

Korioth fixed David with a long, steady look.

"I sure hope you didn't drive all that way for this," Korioth said. "Because
in front of you there's a guy whose wife and kids both have cancer, and in
front of that guy are ten more people who've got something worse."

Korioth watched David's face go slack as the information sank in.

"I'm sure it sounded harsh," Korioth said later. "People come to him with
these expectations; they have this connection to him that goes very deep,
and it's endless. If he stops for five seconds, it could be five hours, and
Lance understands that the only way to have any kind of life of your own is
to sometimes be perceived as somewhat of an [censored]."

How else can you explain the depth of it, except through harshness? The line
outside the bus starts with Iris. Behind her stands the widow of a pastor in
Michigan who died after being hit by a car, could Lance write a letter to be
read at the funeral? Behind her stand the parents of a twelve-year-old
Pennsylvania boy wondering if Armstrong might have a minute to make a phone
call. Behind them stand others, more and more every day, every minute, like
the parents in France who wrapped up their sick child in a white blanket and
met Armstrong in a field. Could Lance just touch him on the forehead, just
once? Please?

How do you satisfy that much need?

You can't.

More interestingly, what kind of person tries, anyway?

Morten Reippuert Knudsen said:

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Interesting story, but should not the main character have been Ulrich?

Ulrich knew about Rasmussen, one can only wonder why Armstrong didn't.

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How do you know what Ulrich knew?

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>
> Not why sure anybody is surprised. He is focused and undoubtedly the
> boss. Many listen to him, respect him but not many want to go have a
> beer with him.
>

You'd best not show up for the next Roses ride.

Well, I wouldn't go to that ride anyway but what I said was not
demeaning at all.
He is no different than many very strong bosses, Trump comes to mind,
Tiger Woods, Scotty Pippin, lots of others.

I'm not disagreeing with you. But what you've said apparently upsets
Armstrong. In any event, 600 of his "friends" are going to his retirement
bash at the Ritz. Was anyone from rbr invited??

I have a virtual invitation.

Oh yeah Lance is quaking in his boots over Rasmussen, the man with match stick
arms ...

Morten Reippuert Knudsen said:

Dewey B said:

Anyone have any links to photos or videos of that moment? I don't
think OLN caught it nor did they talk about it today. A friend who
watches French TV said Lance was standing on his pedals yelling and
gesturing while Floyd ignored him.

nice, i'm bneginnig to like this Landis guy 🙂

Here is another story of something that happened during stage 9.

M.Rasmussen was in a brakeaway along with Cioni, while Vogt and Moreau
chases them.

Armstrongs's is beginning to worry because he dosen't know who
M.Rasmussen is, and seeks out Bogerd in the peloton to ask him: "This
Rasmussen, who is he? And what is he doing out there?", Bogerd
answars: "Don't worry about him, he's just collecting points, once he
has passed all the climbs he will stop". An anoid Armstrong says to
Bogerd as he rides back to his team "whatever... i don't care about
him anyway." An hour or two later when M.Rasmussssen has passed all the
climbs and has'nt stoped, Armstrong seeks out Bogerd again and asks
him "Hey, didn't you say that he would stop, once he had passed the
climbs? and Bogerds answers him: "Didn't you say that you didn't
care about him?"