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I use it for cutting after the winter bulk. I use TKD all other times.
For more info go here.

http://c-k-d.com/forums/
ROB

What's TDK stands for?

-fj

fj said:

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Quoted message said:

I use it for cutting after the winter bulk. I use TKD all other times.
For more info go here.

http://c-k-d.com/forums/
ROB

What's TDK stands for?

Targeted Ketogenic Diet

JMW said:

fj said:

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Quoted message said:

I use it for cutting after the winter bulk. I use TKD all other times.
For more info go here.

http://c-k-d.com/forums/
ROB

What's TDK stands for?

Targeted Ketogenic Diet

I always thought the T was for traditional. In any event, let me second
the recommendation of ckd. Longterm adherence is greatly increased, in
my case.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Targeted Ketogenic Diet

I always thought the T was for traditional. In any event, let me second
the recommendation of ckd. Longterm adherence is greatly increased, in my
case.

For the dieting, it's not that hard to stick to, IMO. Almost zero carbs and
lots of fat and protein for 5-6 days and reload carbs at weekend.

The hard part is to do excercises that can effectively establish ketosis. It
seems to me workout routine(reps and sets) are different from normal
routine. For example Monday Tuesday: intensive workout. Wed Thur:cardio
Friday depletion workout with high rep low weight. Friday carb load up. Sat
Sun no workout.

Again, I don't have experience. I just hope somebody here who has CKD
experiences can share with us.

-fj

CliffMacGillivray said:

JMW said:

fj said:

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> I use it for cutting after the winter bulk. I use TKD all other
> times. For more info go here.
>
> http://c-k-d.com/forums/
> ROB
>

What's TDK stands for?

Targeted Ketogenic Diet

I always thought the T was for traditional. In any event, let me
second the recommendation of ckd. Longterm adherence is greatly
increased, in my case.

When I first saw it months ago, I thought Taekwondo. lol
--
-Larry

fj said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Targeted Ketogenic Diet

I always thought the T was for traditional. In any event, let me second
the recommendation of ckd. Longterm adherence is greatly increased, in my
case.

For the dieting, it's not that hard to stick to, IMO. Almost zero carbs and
lots of fat and protein for 5-6 days and reload carbs at weekend.

The hard part is to do excercises that can effectively establish ketosis. It
seems to me workout routine(reps and sets) are different from normal
routine. For example Monday Tuesday: intensive workout. Wed Thur:cardio
Friday depletion workout with high rep low weight. Friday carb load up. Sat
Sun no workout.

Again, I don't have experience. I just hope somebody here who has CKD
experiences can share with us.

Well, I get tons of cardio every day just riding my bike to work. As
long as I am buring lots of calories I seem to have no trouble getting
into ketosis, although I have never used keto strips to confirm. But
going by the normal signs(i.e. funny taste in mouth, etc) it seems to
work. I believe the key to getting into ketosis is just to make sure you
are burning lots of calories so maybe add some cardio?

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Well, I get tons of cardio every day just riding my bike to work. As long
as I am buring lots of calories I seem to have no trouble getting into
ketosis, although I have never used keto strips to confirm. But going by
the normal signs(i.e. funny taste in mouth, etc) it seems to work. I
believe the key to getting into ketosis is just to make sure you are
burning lots of calories so maybe add some cardio?

Cardio is not helping with building muscle. I always have a feeling that
intensive resistence training is the most popular way to gain muscle. A
normal CKD routine doesn't seem that intensive.

If CKD really works as it claims, you do cadio to burn fat only. You can at
least retain the mass if not gain more.

fj said:

Quoted message said:

Well, I get tons of cardio every day just riding my bike to work. As long
as I am buring lots of calories I seem to have no trouble getting into
ketosis, although I have never used keto strips to confirm. But going by
the normal signs(i.e. funny taste in mouth, etc) it seems to work. I
believe the key to getting into ketosis is just to make sure you are
burning lots of calories so maybe add some cardio?

Cardio is not helping with building muscle. I always have a feeling that
intensive resistence training is the most popular way to gain muscle. A
normal CKD routine doesn't seem that intensive.

If CKD really works as it claims, you do cadio to burn fat only. You can at
least retain the mass if not gain more.

well, yeah. Your question was about which excercises to do to get into
ketosis. My suggestion of adding cardio is still valid. Yeah, cardio
will burn the fat while on a ckd diet. Nothing wrong with that is there?
Adding cardio and doing your normal workout while on ckd is the best way
I know of to burn fat and maintain lbm gains.

Quoted message said:

well, yeah. Your question was about which excercises to do to get into
ketosis. My suggestion of adding cardio is still valid. Yeah, cardio will
burn the fat while on a ckd diet. Nothing wrong with that is there?
Adding cardio and doing your normal workout while on ckd is the best way I
know of to burn fat and maintain lbm gains.

I understand cardio is very important to CKD and the purpose is to establish
kentosis.

What I don't understand is why a normal workout routine does lifting on Mon,
Tue and cardio on Wed, Thursday, depletion workout on Friday . Why not on
Mon, Wed, Fri? Am I missing something here?

-fj

"fj" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:[email hidden]:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

well, yeah. Your question was about which excercises to do to get into
ketosis. My suggestion of adding cardio is still valid. Yeah, cardio
will burn the fat while on a ckd diet. Nothing wrong with that is
there? Adding cardio and doing your normal workout while on ckd is the
best way I know of to burn fat and maintain lbm gains.

I understand cardio is very important to CKD and the purpose is to
establish kentosis.

What I don't understand is why a normal workout routine does lifting on
Mon, Tue and cardio on Wed, Thursday, depletion workout on Friday . Why
not on Mon, Wed, Fri? Am I missing something here?

-fj

It's all so much horseshit, if you ask me. Cardio's essentially irrelevant
to establishing ketosis--you can get into ketosis after a few days without
carbs if you do nothing but sit on your fat ass. Depletion workouts are to
deplete *muscle* glycogen, and they aren't cardio. BodyOpus did the
depletion workouts right before the carb-up so you could supercompensate--
UD2.0 does them at the beginning of the cycle so you can spend a few days
living with depleted muscle glycogen, doing cardio while in a metabolic
state which favors burning fat.

It's not clear that being in ketosis actually matters for fat burning at
all.

Hugh

--
Experience keeps a dear school, but fools will attend no other.

Hugh Beyer said:

"fj" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:[email hidden]:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

well, yeah. Your question was about which excercises to do to get
into ketosis. My suggestion of adding cardio is still valid. Yeah,
cardio will burn the fat while on a ckd diet. Nothing wrong with
that is there? Adding cardio and doing your normal workout while on
ckd is the best way I know of to burn fat and maintain lbm gains.

I understand cardio is very important to CKD and the purpose is to
establish kentosis.

What I don't understand is why a normal workout routine does lifting
on Mon, Tue and cardio on Wed, Thursday, depletion workout on Friday
. Why not on Mon, Wed, Fri? Am I missing something here?

-fj

It's all so much horseshit, if you ask me. Cardio's essentially
irrelevant to establishing ketosis--you can get into ketosis after a
few days without carbs if you do nothing but sit on your fat ass.
Depletion workouts are to deplete *muscle* glycogen, and they aren't
cardio. BodyOpus did the depletion workouts right before the carb-up
so you could supercompensate-- UD2.0 does them at the beginning of
the cycle so you can spend a few days living with depleted muscle
glycogen, doing cardio while in a metabolic state which favors
burning fat.

It's not clear that being in ketosis actually matters for fat burning
at all.

Hugh

Calorie deficit = fat loss. Pretty simply isn't it? How you create that
deficit (either by cardio and eating the same, or simply reducing your
calories and not doing cardio) doesn't matter.
--
-Larry

Larry Hodges said:

CliffMacGillivray said:

JMW said:

"fj" <[email hidden]> wrote:
> <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
>> I use it for cutting after the winter bulk. I use TKD all other
>> times. For more info go here.
>>
>> http://c-k-d.com/forums/
>> ROB
>>
>
> What's TDK stands for?

Targeted Ketogenic Diet

I always thought the T was for traditional. In any event, let me
second the recommendation of ckd. Longterm adherence is greatly
increased, in my case.

When I first saw it months ago, I thought Taekwondo. lol

It's all a matter of context.

Quoted message said:

Calorie deficit = fat loss. Pretty simply isn't it? How you create that
deficit (either by cardio and eating the same, or simply reducing your
calories and not doing cardio) doesn't matter.
--
-Larry

According to CKD theory, when your body is in kentosis with low glycogen
level, fat is used as major fuel. If not the same by just reducing calorie
intake.

Quoted message said:

It's all so much horseshit, if you ask me. Cardio's essentially irrelevant

You are probably in a better position than I am to say that.

Quoted message said:

to establishing ketosis--you can get into ketosis after a few days without
carbs if you do nothing but sit on your fat ass. Depletion workouts are to
deplete *muscle* glycogen, and they aren't cardio. BodyOpus did the

*muscle* glycogen? I thought it's liver glycogen.

Quoted message said:

depletion workouts right before the carb-up so you could supercompensate--
UD2.0 does them at the beginning of the cycle so you can spend a few days
living with depleted muscle glycogen, doing cardio while in a metabolic
state which favors burning fat.

It's not clear that being in ketosis actually matters for fat burning at
all.

Hugh

--
Experience keeps a dear school, but fools will attend no other.

I would not say it's nonsense until I really try it out. I will come out a
routine and diet and stick to it for a while. I may be able to cut my
bodyfat below 10%.

I am confused when I first read about CKD and I still am. Guess I need more
reading.

-fj

In article said:

Quoted message said:

It's all so much horseshit, if you ask me. Cardio's essentially irrelevant

You are probably in a better position than I am to say that.

Quoted message said:

to establishing ketosis--you can get into ketosis after a few days without
carbs if you do nothing but sit on your fat ass. Depletion workouts are to
deplete *muscle* glycogen, and they aren't cardio. BodyOpus did the

*muscle* glycogen? I thought it's liver glycogen.

Uh, it's stored in both places dear.
Try going on a strict protien diet for a couple of weeks, then "carb up"
and check the tape measure on your arms. ;-)

Even as fat as I am, I can see and feel the difference.
Takes me over a week to burn out the muscle glycogen reserves and dump
the water weight that it involves...

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

depletion workouts right before the carb-up so you could supercompensate--
UD2.0 does them at the beginning of the cycle so you can spend a few days
living with depleted muscle glycogen, doing cardio while in a metabolic
state which favors burning fat.

It's not clear that being in ketosis actually matters for fat burning at
all.

Hugh

--
Experience keeps a dear school, but fools will attend no other.

I would not say it's nonsense until I really try it out. I will come out a
routine and diet and stick to it for a while. I may be able to cut my
bodyfat below 10%.

I am confused when I first read about CKD and I still am. Guess I need more
reading.

-fj

As well as a bit more physiology and study on sports nutrition!

Quoted message said:

--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

Quoting fj:

Quoted message said:

I understand cardio is very important to CKD and the purpose is to establish
kentosis.

No.

Quoted message said:

What I don't understand is why a normal workout routine does lifting on Mon,
Tue and cardio on Wed, Thursday, depletion workout on Friday .

Friday ? No, not unless your work week happens to be structured in a
non-standard fashion.

Depletion workout would be done on Monday, or Mon/Tues if split.
Wed off.
Thurs evening tension workout (or Friday).
Saturday power workout.
(above is pretty much the UD 2.0 scheme if I recall correctly, other
plans may vary a bit)

Now, following that general schedule -- personally, I'd sandwich
cardio (if any) between depletion and tension workouts. After power
workout, it's best to rest -- no cardio. And, I wouldn't do cardio
right before the power workout either.

Quoted message said:

Why not on Mon, Wed, Fri? Am I missing something here?

One doesn't even necessarily have to do cardio on a CKD. Also,
ketosis is more a side effect from following a low-carb, calorie
restricted plan during the week than anything else.

The depletion workout is used to deplete muscle glycogen. Cardio can
be used during the week to help create an additional calorie deficit
and/or for CV conditioning. Alternatively, one can just eat less.

In article <[email hidden]>,
Suze <suze_anderson@spamcop/dot/obvious> wrote:

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Quoted message said:

The depletion workout is used to deplete muscle glycogen. Cardio can
be used during the week to help create an additional calorie deficit
and/or for CV conditioning. Alternatively, one can just eat less.

Indeed....

Want to build up a real ketone level?

Try fasting for 3 to 7 days........ ;-)

Water only, maybe unsweetened ice tea.
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

Suze said:

Quoting fj:

Quoted message said:

I understand cardio is very important to CKD and the purpose is to
establish kentosis.

No.

Quoted message said:

What I don't understand is why a normal workout routine does lifting
on Mon, Tue and cardio on Wed, Thursday, depletion workout on Friday
.

Friday ? No, not unless your work week happens to be structured in a
non-standard fashion.

Depletion workout would be done on Monday, or Mon/Tues if split.
Wed off.
Thurs evening tension workout (or Friday).
Saturday power workout.
(above is pretty much the UD 2.0 scheme if I recall correctly, other
plans may vary a bit)

Now, following that general schedule -- personally, I'd sandwich
cardio (if any) between depletion and tension workouts. After power
workout, it's best to rest -- no cardio. And, I wouldn't do cardio
right before the power workout either.

Quoted message said:

Why not on Mon, Wed, Fri? Am I missing something here?

One doesn't even necessarily have to do cardio on a CKD. Also,
ketosis is more a side effect from following a low-carb, calorie
restricted plan during the week than anything else.

The depletion workout is used to deplete muscle glycogen. Cardio can
be used during the week to help create an additional calorie deficit
and/or for CV conditioning. Alternatively, one can just eat less.

My point exactly.

We should date, since we agree and you have really nice maters 'n all. Or I
could request to see your melons... :p
--
-Larry

"Suze" <suze_anderson@spamcop/dot/obvious> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Quoting fj:

Quoted message said:

I understand cardio is very important to CKD and the purpose is to
establish
kentosis.

No.

Quoted message said:

What I don't understand is why a normal workout routine does lifting on
Mon,
Tue and cardio on Wed, Thursday, depletion workout on Friday .

Friday ? No, not unless your work week happens to be structured in a
non-standard fashion.

Depletion workout would be done on Monday, or Mon/Tues if split.
Wed off.
Thurs evening tension workout (or Friday).
Saturday power workout.
(above is pretty much the UD 2.0 scheme if I recall correctly, other
plans may vary a bit)

Now, following that general schedule -- personally, I'd sandwich
cardio (if any) between depletion and tension workouts. After power
workout, it's best to rest -- no cardio. And, I wouldn't do cardio
right before the power workout either.

Quoted message said:

Why not on Mon, Wed, Fri? Am I missing something here?

One doesn't even necessarily have to do cardio on a CKD. Also,
ketosis is more a side effect from following a low-carb, calorie
restricted plan during the week than anything else.

The depletion workout is used to deplete muscle glycogen. Cardio can
be used during the week to help create an additional calorie deficit
and/or for CV conditioning. Alternatively, one can just eat less.

Thanks Suze.

Here is what I figured out.

Actually Monday Tuesday workouts are tension workout. Yes they are to
deplete muscle glycogen to under 70mmol/kg level.

Wednesday Thursday no workout is necessary due to the fact that the body is
in ketosis and burning fat only.

Friday workout is also for depletion. It's to reduce glycogen to an even
lower level. A carb-up immediately after workout will archieve a
super-compensation which feeds and grows the muscle.

-fj