Tangria clone

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Dewi said:

Lidl £6.99...

http://www.lidl.co.uk/gb/index.nsf/pages/c.o.oow.20050714.p.Outdoor_Cookware

Could someone in the know explain to me how a system like this works
please? ie can the pots be used independantly of the burner etc? Also,
does
anyone know what sort of gas this system uses? At present I have a burner
that uses the screw type canisters. I would rather avoid having to start
buying two seperate types of fuel.

I don't see any reason why you couldn't simply use the pots / handle on any
other
system. The burner itself will use meths / equiv.

Graham

Dewi said:

Lidl £6.99...

http://www.lidl.co.uk/gb/index.nsf/pages/c.o.oow.20050714.p.Outdoor_Cookware

Could someone in the know explain to me how a system like this works
please? ie can the pots be used independantly of the burner etc? Also, does
anyone know what sort of gas this system uses? At present I have a burner
that uses the screw type canisters. I would rather avoid having to start
buying two seperate types of fuel.

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killermike said:

Could someone in the know explain to me how a system like this works
please?

The windshield is set up and takes the burner in an integral mount. The
pots and pans are totally independent and should be usable with anything.

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anyone know what sort of gas this system uses?

Doesn't use gas, it uses alcohol (typically meths, but you can use panel
wipe, duplicator fluid, lab spirit or various other sources). You pour
the spirit into the burner and light the open pool to ignite, and after
a short while you get a reasonable (but not hugely powerful) cooking
flame emerging from the holes around the burner's rim. The flame is
controlled by a partial cover cap, so it's not nearly as controllable as
gas.

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..> The flame is

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controlled by a partial cover cap, so it's not nearly as controllable as
gas.

It's years since I've used a Trangia Peter, but I seem to recall you get
most control by turning the whole thing in and out of the wind.

What I do remember from my student days are the fun and games after several
pints in the Old Dungeon Gill, trying to blow it out!! Good game, but you
have to watch for flames licking round your feet. Oh and don't even get me
started on refuelling it while it's burning. Hilarious.

Remember we had no Playstation, no mobile phones in those days. Just meths
stoves and too much beer. Ah, happy times.

Roy.

Roy said:

It's years since I've used a Trangia Peter, but I seem to recall you get
most control by turning the whole thing in and out of the wind.

Up to a point. A rather moot point, on a calm day!

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.> The flame is

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controlled by a partial cover cap, so it's not nearly as controllable
as gas.

It's years since I've used a Trangia Peter, but I seem to recall you
get most control by turning the whole thing in and out of the wind.

What I do remember from my student days are the fun and games after
several pints in the Old Dungeon Gill, trying to blow it out!!

Blow it out? Surely you just drop the burner lid onto the burner and it's
out like <fx: snaps fingers> that?

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(killermike) said:

Dewi said:

Lidl £6.99...

http://www.lidl.co.uk/gb/index.nsf/pages/c.o.oow.20050714.p.Outdoor_Cook
ware

Could someone in the know explain to me how a system like this works
please? ie can the pots be used independantly of the burner etc? Also,
does anyone know what sort of gas this system uses? At present I have a
burner that uses the screw type canisters. I would rather avoid having
to start buying two seperate types of fuel.

There is a small meths burner which sits at the top of the lowermost
windshield (the one with more diamond perforations in the picture),
protected by the second windshield (the one with just one set of diamond
perforations in the picture). The second windshield has three hooks which
extend down into the shielded area on which a saucepan is stood; or you
can swing them up to extend out of the shielded area in order to stand the
frying pan on them.
The attachable handle can be used to pick up any piece of the apparatus.
When packed up, the two windshields fit into each other and contain the
two pans, the handle and the meths burner; the frying pan fits across the
other side as a lid, and a strap holds the lot together.
Relevant points:
- the intrinsic windshielding is really good, and the perforations on one
side of the lower windshield allow you to angle it into or away from the
wind as necessary.
- It's a complete cooking kit, you don't need anything extra (except a
plate to eat your meal off).
- It packs up neatly.
- it burns meths, which can be bought everywhere (so trangias are good for
taking abroad). But meths does smell, and leave sooty stains on the pans.
- Meths burning is slower than a pressurised gas stove, for example.
- The burner only holds a small amount of meths, so unless you're just
making a cup of tea for one you may well need to stop cooking and refill
the burner before you're finished.

Here's a picture of a trangia set up for cooking, and packed up.
http://www.sackundpack.de/images/trangia-kocherset-klein.jpg.
Unfortunately not to scale.

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Vince Bowdren said:

Blow it out? Surely you just drop the burner lid onto the burner and it's
out like <fx: snaps fingers> that?

Sensibly, yes. However, after several pints in the ODG "sensible" might
not be the order of the day...

Pete.
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Vince Bowdren said:

Blow it out? Surely you just drop the burner lid onto the burner and it's
out like <fx: snaps fingers> that?

How much fun is that?

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Sensibly, yes. However, after several pints in the ODG "sensible" might
not be the order of the day...

Indeed.

Roy.

Peter Clinch said:

killermike said:

Could someone in the know explain to me how a system like this works
please?

The windshield is set up and takes the burner in an integral mount. The
pots and pans are totally independent and should be usable with anything.

[snip other info]

Thanks for that. And to the other followups in the thread.

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Vince Bowdren said:

There is a small meths burner which sits at the top of the lowermost
windshield (the one with more diamond perforations in the picture),
protected by the second windshield (the one with just one set of diamond
perforations in the picture). The second windshield has three hooks which

Thanks for the explanation.

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Roy' roy said:

It's years since I've used a Trangia Peter, but I seem to recall you get
most control by turning the whole thing in and out of the wind.

The instructions that come with them say they should be kept out of
the wind for most efficient use, but that if this is impossible then
the holes should be upwind.

From my experience at the LAMM (where we used far more fuel than
expected), it uses approximately 3 times as much meths to boil a pan
of water in a moderate wind than it does in no wind at all.

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Simon Caldwell said:

The instructions that come with them say they should be kept out of
the wind for most efficient use, but that if this is impossible then
the holes should be upwind.

But you can get a pretty roaring flame if you do poke the vents
into a gale!

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From my experience at the LAMM (where we used far more fuel than
expected), it uses approximately 3 times as much meths to boil a pan
of water in a moderate wind than it does in no wind at all.

There is that... ;-/

Nice thing about the trangia is it's stable and predictable enough
to use inside with a bit of care to a much greater extent than is
the case with a liquid fuel stove or a canister mounted gas stove,
which is nice if it's raining or the Midge Apocalypse, or indeed
very windy.

Trangia with gas conversion is now my favourite cooking setup,
though we took the mini OD canister top one for the LAMM and a
single kettle, not really worrying about convenience and gourmet
possibilities.

(LAMM OT aside: though we surrendered our results are up now and we
were 12th at check 1! Not nearly that good at check 9 (we decided
to retire to the event centre between 9 and 10), but still in the
top half, at that point, better than we'd thought)

Pete.
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Anyone have any views on whether this Lidl version should be any
better/worse than the genuine Trangia? Have used neither but seems
daft not to get this if it works ok..

John

"killermike" <[email hidden]> wrote

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Could someone in the know explain to me how a system like this works
please? ie can the pots be used independantly of the burner etc? Also,

does

Quoted message said:

anyone know what sort of gas this system uses? At present I have a burner
that uses the screw type canisters. I would rather avoid having to start
buying two seperate types of fuel.

You can get a gas converter. We use it a lot with D of E as I feel it's a
safer combination, although there will be those who disagree. Meths is a bit
smelly and gas is easier to use/control.

Graham

Graham Seed said:

You can get a gas converter.

There are two available. One is the "official" Trangia one, made
by Primus for them. It is insanely expensive (£40+), but it does
work well. Markill (I think that's how it's spelled, I also think
possibly a division of Vau De) do one basically the same for about
half that. Given that a gas burner isn't exactly cutting edge
engineering I'd get the cheaper one if I was buying today (I got
the Primus one at a discount evening, chucked it in the basket
along with a load of other stuff without really looking at the
price and was somewhat astounded when I looked at the receipt, but
I had a New Toy by then so it was too late... ;-)).

Caveat here is that both are sized for the burner mount hole in the
Trangia. I don't know how the Lidl one compares, and if not
directly then how much fettling may be needed to get it to fit.

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We use it a lot with D of E as I feel it's a
safer combination, although there will be those who disagree.

Only real cockup possible with the gas without being /really/
stupid is laying the can on its side rather than standing it
upright, when it behaves very unpredicatbly at times! I found that
out the hard way, nearly got abit singed in the process, so Don't
Do That At Home, Kids!

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Meths is a bit smelly and gas is easier to use/control.

Yes and yes. Some advantages to meths though: it's easier to vary
the amount you take with you, and the fuel source can be refilled
at will. Some people have access to easy sources of cheap spirit
(a friend working in a biochem lab ran hers on lab alcohol
basically free of charge, I had a cache of old duplicator fluid it
took several years to work through, may places on the continent
it's very easy to come by at very low prices virtually anywhere
with shops).
But I prefer using the gas conversion. If the weight and bulk
aren't an issue it's easily my favourite camping stove.

Pete.
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Anyone have any views on whether this Lidl version should be any
better/worse than the genuine Trangia? Have used neither but seems
daft not to get this if it works ok..

I've got a couple here that I'm going to put up on eBay as soon as I've
got this computer sorted. I've often bought things but never yet tried
to sell anything, so I'm crossing my fingers. Nad ti ameks ytnig evyr
idffcilut.

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(firstofficerspong) said:

Anyone have any views on whether this Lidl version should be any
better/worse than the genuine Trangia? Have used neither but seems
daft not to get this if it works ok..

I'm slightly dubious about the perforations in the upper windshield,
which genuine trangias don't have. Gives the impression that they copied
the design with more care for a pretty appearance than a real appreciation
of what the holes are actually there for.
Another consideration is that trangia's have been around forever and will
continue to be so, which means that spare parts are easy to get hold of,
if anything ever does go wrong.

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Vince Bowdren said:

I'm slightly dubious about the perforations in the upper windshield,
which genuine trangias don't have. Gives the impression that they copied
the design with more care for a pretty appearance than a real appreciation
of what the holes are actually there for.
Another consideration is that trangia's have been around forever and will
continue to be so, which means that spare parts are easy to get hold of,
if anything ever does go wrong.

All quite so (my Trangia is approaching it's 18th birthday!), but for £7
you really can't go /too/ far wrong. Won't be as good, but that doesn't
mean it's not good *enough*. An old Bluet isn't as good as an MSR
WindPro, but you can still make your tea on it.

Me, I'm a sucker for spending more on the "best" (or rather, my personal
perception of "best" as it applies to me), but I'm not /quite/ daft
enough to think you can't get by (usually quite easily) with less.
Stove performance may be a life or death issue at a high camp on an
8000m peak, but in Yorkshire you'll probably live to tell the tale...

Pete.
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