Cancer

Yeah dude, it's the stuff in the diet drinks.

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Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than that. -- MFW

"Jerry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

I've been on low carb for about a year now and I lost more than 40 lb. I
lost it all very quickly and I just try to maintain it now. I'm not very
strict but just make sure I don't eat any sweets and very little pasta.
I go to gym, lift weights, do cardio and from tight 36 my pants are down
to loose 32. The thing is all that time I drunk a lot of diet pop and used
a lot of Sweet n low. I'm talking about 3 liters of pop a day. I have a
condition called VHL which means every few years I grow a tumour somewhere
and have to get it removed. This March I had a cancer of my right kidney
removed and I thought I should be OK for few years but I was just told I
grew a new one on my left kidney in last 3 to 4 months.
Is it possible there is a connection to the stuff in Diet drinks? I
stopped drinking that stuff for last few weeks even thou all my doctors
tell me it is safe. I use some Splenda to sweeten my tea now.
Jerry

Jerry---Look....who knows what long term effects the various chemicals
in diet sodas cause? Additives, preservatives, artificial colorings
and flavorings....all chemicals, all unnatural, all alien to human
cells.
Doesnt it just make sence to avoid as many chemicals as possible and
stick to "real" foods?
Down South, we habitually drink iced tea. I make a half gallon almost
every day. I do use Splenda....but could and would give it up instantly
if I suddenly developed a tumor. People have been drinking tea for a
gazillion years---and green tea is especially good for you. Do you think
you could switch to iced tea?

I dont have any clear idea why anyone would bother to set a pitcher in
the sun to make "sun" tea, LOL. Bring a quart of water to a boil and
toss in a family size tea bag. Luzianne is my fave, but Liptobn is
great, too. Turn off the heat, cover and let it come to room temp. Pour
into a two quart pitcher and fill to second quart with cold water.
That's it.

It's way cheaper than soda, too, as well as being natural and chem-free.

Again, if I developed one tumor of any kind, malignant or benign, I
would stop ingesting ANY chemical food additive immediately. I have a
suspision that the weird and varied chemicals we ingest ARE a causitive
factor in canser.
I cant 'prove" it, but it's common sence to me that adding man-made
chemicals to our cells just might be the reason for the rise of cancer.

LassChance

A good Rule of Thumb may be....If you cant pronounce it, dont ingest it.

And you may find you like your ice tea without any sweetener. I have never
liked sweetened ice tea, but like it straight.

In news:[email hidden],
Lass Chance <[email hidden]> stated
| Jerry---Look....who knows what long term effects the various chemicals
| in diet sodas cause? Additives, preservatives, artificial colorings
| and flavorings....all chemicals, all unnatural, all alien to human
| cells.
| Doesnt it just make sence to avoid as many chemicals as possible and
| stick to "real" foods?
| Down South, we habitually drink iced tea. I make a half gallon almost
| every day. I do use Splenda....but could and would give it up
| instantly if I suddenly developed a tumor. People have been drinking
| tea for a gazillion years---and green tea is especially good for you.
| Do you think you could switch to iced tea?
|
| I dont have any clear idea why anyone would bother to set a pitcher in
| the sun to make "sun" tea, LOL. Bring a quart of water to a boil and
| toss in a family size tea bag. Luzianne is my fave, but Liptobn is
| great, too. Turn off the heat, cover and let it come to room temp.
| Pour into a two quart pitcher and fill to second quart with cold
| water. That's it.
|
| It's way cheaper than soda, too, as well as being natural and
| chem-free.
|
| Again, if I developed one tumor of any kind, malignant or benign, I
| would stop ingesting ANY chemical food additive immediately. I have a
| suspision that the weird and varied chemicals we ingest ARE a
| causitive factor in canser.
| I cant 'prove" it, but it's common sence to me that adding man-made
| chemicals to our cells just might be the reason for the rise of
| cancer.
|
| LassChance
|
| A good Rule of Thumb may be....If you cant pronounce it, dont ingest
| it.

Lass Chance said:

Jerry---Look....who knows what long term effects the various chemicals
in diet sodas cause? Additives, preservatives, artificial colorings
and flavorings....all chemicals, all unnatural, all alien to human
cells.
Doesnt it just make sence to avoid as many chemicals as possible and
stick to "real" foods?
Down South, we habitually drink iced tea. I make a half gallon almost
every day. I do use Splenda....but could and would give it up instantly
if I suddenly developed a tumor. People have been drinking tea for a
gazillion years---and green tea is especially good for you. Do you think
you could switch to iced tea?

I dont have any clear idea why anyone would bother to set a pitcher in
the sun to make "sun" tea, LOL. Bring a quart of water to a boil and
toss in a family size tea bag. Luzianne is my fave, but Liptobn is
great, too. Turn off the heat, cover and let it come to room temp. Pour
into a two quart pitcher and fill to second quart with cold water.
That's it.

It is possible that artificial sweeteners could be carcinogenic. But
many substances are, including natural ones. Caffeine for example - as
found in iced tea - is a well known carcinogen. We ingest many
cacinogens every day in amounts too tiny to cause any ill effect.

Jerry, I think you may just be unlucky. Sometimes there is no cause for
these things..

Quoted message said:

It's way cheaper than soda, too, as well as being natural and chem-free.

Tea actualy contains many chemicals.

http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/duke/farmacy2.pl?198

Quoted message said:

A good Rule of Thumb may be....If you cant pronounce it, dont ingest it.

What are your feelings on dihydrogen monoxide?

Will

"Will McGugan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Lass Chance said:

A good Rule of Thumb may be....If you cant pronounce it, dont ingest it.

What are your feelings on dihydrogen monoxide?

LOL

Don't confuse her with the facts, because she has a known disability in that
area.

FOB said:

And you may find you like your ice tea without any sweetener. I have never
liked sweetened ice tea, but like it straight.

Hubby used to drink his iced tea with so much sugar in it, it was more
like syrup. I don't know what made him change his mind, but years ago
he suddenly switched to unsweetened tea and can't abide it if he's
accidentally served the sweetened stuff. He said it only took him a
week or two to get used to drinking it without sugar.

--
July Goals: BG readings in normal range; Not hungry, don't eat
Weight: 16 Pounds Gone (6 of them twice) 06/12/2005
Measurements: 8 inches gone 06/19/2005
Cholesterol: 145
FBG: < 100 since 07/01/2005 A1c 6.5

uh huh. Can either one of you clowns guarantee this guy diet soda did
not cause or contribute in any way to his tumor?

But hey, if either of you starts growing tumors, dont change a thing!
According to Will, cancer is caused by "bad luck", nothing more. Maybe a
black cat crossed your path or you broke a mirror.

LassChance

Re: Cancer

Group: alt.support.diet.low-carb Date: Mon, Jul 11, 2005, 4:42pm (EDT+4)
From: [email hidden] (JC Der Koenig)
"Will McGugan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
Lass Chance wrote:
A good Rule of Thumb may be....If you cant pronounce it, dont ingest it.
What are your feelings on dihydrogen monoxide?
LOL
Don't confuse her with the facts, because she has a known disability in
that area.

Jerry said:

I've been on low carb for about a year now and I lost more than 40 lb. I
lost it all very quickly and I just try to maintain it now. I'm not very
strict but just make sure I don't eat any sweets and very little pasta.
I go to gym, lift weights, do cardio and from tight 36 my pants are down
to loose 32. The thing is all that time I drunk a lot of diet pop and
used a lot of Sweet n low. I'm talking about 3 liters of pop a day. I
have a condition called VHL which means every few years I grow a tumour
somewhere and have to get it removed. This March I had a cancer of my
right kidney removed and I thought I should be OK for few years but I
was just told I grew a new one on my left kidney in last 3 to 4 months.
Is it possible there is a connection to the stuff in Diet drinks? I
stopped drinking that stuff for last few weeks even thou all my doctors
tell me it is safe. I use some Splenda to sweeten my tea now.
Jerry

I'll bet dollars to donuts that you are and have been vitamin C
deficient.

TC

What are your feelings on dihydrogen monoxide?

--
Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than that. -- MFW

"Lass Chance" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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uh huh. Can either one of you clowns guarantee this guy diet soda did
not cause or contribute in any way to his tumor?

But hey, if either of you starts growing tumors, dont change a thing!
According to Will, cancer is caused by "bad luck", nothing more. Maybe a
black cat crossed your path or you broke a mirror.

LassChance

Re: Cancer

Group: alt.support.diet.low-carb Date: Mon, Jul 11, 2005, 4:42pm (EDT+4)
From: [email hidden] (JC Der Koenig)
"Will McGugan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
Lass Chance wrote:
A good Rule of Thumb may be....If you cant pronounce it, dont ingest it.
What are your feelings on dihydrogen monoxide?
LOL
Don't confuse her with the facts, because she has a known disability in
that area.

JC Der Koenig said:

What are your feelings on dihydrogen monoxide?

No (more) need to mock. I know Lass was just trying to help.

Lass, my point was that the sweeteners are no more likely to have caused
his cancer than anything else he has eaten. And that chemicals are not
necessarily bad.

Will

Jerry said:

I've been on low carb for about a year now and I lost more than 40 lb. I
lost it all very quickly and I just try to maintain it now. I'm not very
strict but just make sure I don't eat any sweets and very little pasta.
I go to gym, lift weights, do cardio and from tight 36 my pants are down
to loose 32. The thing is all that time I drunk a lot of diet pop and
used a lot of Sweet n low. I'm talking about 3 liters of pop a day. I
have a condition called VHL which means every few years I grow a tumour
somewhere and have to get it removed. This March I had a cancer of my
right kidney removed and I thought I should be OK for few years but I
was just told I grew a new one on my left kidney in last 3 to 4 months.
Is it possible there is a connection to the stuff in Diet drinks? I
stopped drinking that stuff for last few weeks even thou all my doctors
tell me it is safe. I use some Splenda to sweeten my tea now.

It is impossible to answer your question with any degree of
certainty. Besides that, the mechanisms that cause cancer (promote
mutations) and stimulate its growth once cancer occurs, are not the
same.

You are asking un-answerable questions. That said, I cannot see any
good reason to use saccharine.

--
223/174.3/180

Quoted message said:

Jerry said:

I've been on low carb for about a year now and I lost more than 40 lb. I
lost it all very quickly and I just try to maintain it now. I'm not very
strict but just make sure I don't eat any sweets and very little pasta.
I go to gym, lift weights, do cardio and from tight 36 my pants are down
to loose 32. The thing is all that time I drunk a lot of diet pop and
used a lot of Sweet n low. I'm talking about 3 liters of pop a day. I
have a condition called VHL which means every few years I grow a tumour
somewhere and have to get it removed. This March I had a cancer of my
right kidney removed and I thought I should be OK for few years but I
was just told I grew a new one on my left kidney in last 3 to 4 months.
Is it possible there is a connection to the stuff in Diet drinks? I
stopped drinking that stuff for last few weeks even thou all my doctors
tell me it is safe. I use some Splenda to sweeten my tea now.
Jerry

I'll bet dollars to donuts that you are and have been vitamin C
deficient.

TC

I don't think so. I have a blood test done every six months and
it is always perfect.
Jerry

Just a defense of "sun tea". I live in Arizona, where the sun is WAY
intense. The tea just tastes way better than brewed, don't know why, but it
does.

Like you have some on the brain.
~Melodie~ Aka AnonomissX

"JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

What are your feelings on dihydrogen monoxide?

--
Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than that. -- MFW

"Lass Chance" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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uh huh. Can either one of you clowns guarantee this guy diet soda did
not cause or contribute in any way to his tumor?

But hey, if either of you starts growing tumors, dont change a thing!
According to Will, cancer is caused by "bad luck", nothing more. Maybe a
black cat crossed your path or you broke a mirror.

LassChance

Re: Cancer

Group: alt.support.diet.low-carb Date: Mon, Jul 11, 2005, 4:42pm (EDT+4)
From: [email hidden] (JC Der Koenig)
"Will McGugan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
Lass Chance wrote:
A good Rule of Thumb may be....If you cant pronounce it, dont ingest it.
What are your feelings on dihydrogen monoxide?
LOL
Don't confuse her with the facts, because she has a known disability in
that area.

Is it the reason why you weigh 400 pounds? I'm sure that's what you tell
everyone.

--
Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than that. -- MFW

"AnonomissX aka ~Melodie~" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Like you have some on the brain.
~Melodie~ Aka AnonomissX

"JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

What are your feelings on dihydrogen monoxide?

--
Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than that. -- MFW

"Lass Chance" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
uh huh. Can either one of you clowns guarantee this guy diet soda did
not cause or contribute in any way to his tumor?

But hey, if either of you starts growing tumors, dont change a thing!
According to Will, cancer is caused by "bad luck", nothing more. Maybe a
black cat crossed your path or you broke a mirror.

LassChance

Re: Cancer

Group: alt.support.diet.low-carb Date: Mon, Jul 11, 2005, 4:42pm (EDT+4)
From: [email hidden] (JC Der Koenig)
"Will McGugan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
Lass Chance wrote:
A good Rule of Thumb may be....If you cant pronounce it, dont ingest it.
What are your feelings on dihydrogen monoxide?
LOL
Don't confuse her with the facts, because she has a known disability in
that area.

Jerry said:

I've been on low carb for about a year now and I lost more than 40 lb. I
lost it all very quickly and I just try to maintain it now. I'm not very
strict but just make sure I don't eat any sweets and very little pasta.
I go to gym, lift weights, do cardio and from tight 36 my pants are down
to loose 32. The thing is all that time I drunk a lot of diet pop and
used a lot of Sweet n low. I'm talking about 3 liters of pop a day. I
have a condition called VHL which means every few years I grow a tumour
somewhere and have to get it removed. This March I had a cancer of my
right kidney removed and I thought I should be OK for few years but I
was just told I grew a new one on my left kidney in last 3 to 4 months.
Is it possible there is a connection to the stuff in Diet drinks? I
stopped drinking that stuff for last few weeks even thou all my doctors
tell me it is safe. I use some Splenda to sweeten my tea now.
Jerry

Let's see if I have this right -

You have a preexisting medical condition that existed years
before you started low carb. You're fishing for a low carb
cause for it getting worse.

Did chemicals make it worse? Who knows. With such a medical
condition why are you eating junk in the first place. Whether
chemicals in diet sodas are making it worse or not they are
certainly not good for you.

At this point you should be eating as natural as possible on
general principles in an attempot to make things better. Per
your post you are mostly doing so already. Good job. Time
to switch from diet sodas to water and tea.

Quoted message said:

"What are your feelings on dihydrogen >monoxide?" der Konehead

"Feelings"? I dont get much of an emotional response to chemical
substances. But my THOUGHT is, it's an excellent method of suicide and
one that I THINK you oughta make use of. Do your family a favor.

LassChance

You go first, and if you're successful, I'll follow.

--
Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than that. -- MFW

"Lass Chance" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

"What are your feelings on dihydrogen >monoxide?" der Konehead

"Feelings"? I dont get much of an emotional response to chemical
substances. But my THOUGHT is, it's an excellent method of suicide and
one that I THINK you oughta make use of. Do your family a favor.

LassChance

Jerry said:

Quoted message said:

Jerry said:

I've been on low carb for about a year now and I lost more than 40 lb. I
lost it all very quickly and I just try to maintain it now. I'm not very
strict but just make sure I don't eat any sweets and very little pasta.
I go to gym, lift weights, do cardio and from tight 36 my pants are down
to loose 32. The thing is all that time I drunk a lot of diet pop and
used a lot of Sweet n low. I'm talking about 3 liters of pop a day. I
have a condition called VHL which means every few years I grow a tumour
somewhere and have to get it removed. This March I had a cancer of my
right kidney removed and I thought I should be OK for few years but I
was just told I grew a new one on my left kidney in last 3 to 4 months.
Is it possible there is a connection to the stuff in Diet drinks? I
stopped drinking that stuff for last few weeks even thou all my doctors
tell me it is safe. I use some Splenda to sweeten my tea now.
Jerry

I'll bet dollars to donuts that you are and have been vitamin C
deficient.

TC

I don't think so. I have a blood test done every six months and
it is always perfect.
Jerry

What do you call perfect?

TC