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On Sun, 10 Jul 2005 07:46:53 +0100, Peewiglet <[email hidden]>

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A recumbent bike somehow got into one of my dreams last night. I
wonder whether this is some sort of presage?...

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Peewiglet said:

A recumbent bike somehow got into one of my dreams last night. I
wonder whether this is some sort of presage?...

I don't want to play devile's advocate, but... well, I do really! ;-)

Seriously, think about a recumbent as another and alternative
option of tourer/high speed sports/urban or whatever *functional*
class of bike you might be looking at. "A Recumbent" is a pretty
meaningless term from a functional point of view, yet most other
bikes are bought according to functional classification rather than
a description of the seating arrangements.

For example, mine is a superb bike for laden touring, it sucks as a
hot sports bike and is so-so for routine urban use. If you feel
the need for another bike[1] then decide on a functional category
and audition 'bents alongside other, more conventional options in
that overall category. So for a tourer, audition a Streetmachine
against an Ultra Galaxy against a Cannondale T2000 or something
like that. Don't think of "recumbent" as a functional class of
bike, as it isn't. Quite a few people seem to buy bikes like mine
because they want to try "a recumbent" and read the Streetmachine
is very well regarded. They buy one, find they don't really get on
because basically they were never in the market for an expedition
tourer and all it entails, and that's that, recumbent experiment
over with completely the wrong impression.

Pete.

[1] of *course* you do![2]
[2] First Law of u.r.c., you can never have too many cycles...[3]
[3] yes, I know this is directly at odds with some things I say on
u.r.w., but if this is *different* ;-)
--
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Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
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On 07/10/2005 15:36:32 Peter Clinch said:

Peewiglet wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

A recumbent bike somehow got into one of my dreams last night. I wonder
whether this is some sort of presage?...

Quoted message said:

I don't want to play devile's advocate, but... well, I do really! ;-)

Quoted message said:

Seriously, think about a recumbent as another and alternative option of
tourer/high speed sports/urban or whatever *functional* class of bike you
might be looking at. "A Recumbent" is a pretty meaningless term from a
functional point of view, yet most other bikes are bought according to
functional classification rather than a description of the seating
arrangements.

Quoted message said:

For example, mine is a superb bike for laden touring, it sucks as a hot
sports bike and is so-so for routine urban use. If you feel the need for
another bike[1] then decide on a functional category and audition 'bents
alongside other, more conventional options in that overall category. So
for a tourer, audition a Streetmachine against an Ultra Galaxy against a
Cannondale T2000 or something like that. Don't think of "recumbent" as a
functional class of bike, as it isn't. Quite a few people seem to buy
bikes like mine because they want to try "a recumbent" and read the
Streetmachine is very well regarded. They buy one, find they don't really
get on because basically they were never in the market for an expedition
tourer and all it entails, and that's that, recumbent experiment over with
completely the wrong impression.

Quoted message said:

Pete.

Quoted message said:

[1] of *course* you do![2] [2] First Law of u.r.c., you can never have too
many cycles...[3] [3] yes, I know this is directly at odds with some
things I say on u.r.w., but if this is *different* ;-)

And try a trike to, the answer is to testride all you can.

--

Buck

I would rather be out on my Catrike

http://www.catrike.co.uk

Peter Clinch said:

I don't want to play devile's advocate, but... well, I do really! ;-)

Seriously, think about a recumbent as another and alternative
option of tourer/high speed sports/urban or whatever *functional*
class of bike you might be looking at.

It's ok - I'm not aware of actually wanting one at all; I just
wondered whether its presence in my dream revealed a developing but as
yet subconscious desire 🙂

Quoted message said:

[2] First Law of u.r.c., you can never have too many cycles...[3]
[3] yes, I know this is directly at odds with some things I say on
u.r.w., but if this is *different* ;-)

Ha! Gimme a new tent any day...
:-)

Best wishes,
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At Sun, 10 Jul 2005 19:58:52 +0100, message
<[email hidden]> was posted by Peewiglet
<[email hidden]>, including some, all or none of the
following:

[ob. Proper Bicycles]

Quoted message said:

It's ok - I'm not aware of actually wanting one at all; I just
wondered whether its presence in my dream revealed a developing but as
yet subconscious desire 🙂

You are not aware of wanting one for the following reason: you have
not yet ridden a KMX X-class. Once you have ridden one, you will be
*acutely* aware of wanting one :-)

Guy
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simple, neat and wrong" - HL Mencken

Peewiglet said:

Ha! Gimme a new tent any day...

And might I suggest the Hilleberg Stallon GT, with plenty of room
to park your bike (and probably a couple of spares for that
matter...) inside the extended porch...

Pete.
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Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

Peter Clinch said:

Peewiglet said:

Ha! Gimme a new tent any day...

And might I suggest the Hilleberg Stallon GT, with plenty of room
to park your bike (and probably a couple of spares for that
matter...) inside the extended porch...

Oooh, what a nice idea! I'll go and take a look, thanks 🙂

Seriously: when people go bike camping - for instance on a long
distance cycle ride - do they simply leave the bike outside? What
about rain/theft/etc?

Best wishes,
--
,,
(**)PeeWiglet~~
/ \ / \ pee AT [guessthisbit].co.uk

you know? said:

At Sun, 10 Jul 2005 19:58:52 +0100, message
<[email hidden]> was posted by Peewiglet
<[email hidden]>, including some, all or none of the
following:

[ob. Proper Bicycles]

Quoted message said:

It's ok - I'm not aware of actually wanting one at all; I just
wondered whether its presence in my dream revealed a developing but as
yet subconscious desire 🙂

You are not aware of wanting one for the following reason: you have
not yet ridden a KMX X-class.

Correct!

Quoted message said:

Once you have ridden one, you will be
*acutely* aware of wanting one :-)

I don't doubt that... best try to stay away from them, then! :-)

Best wishes,
--
,,
(**)PeeWiglet~~
/ \ / \ pee AT [guessthisbit].co.uk

Peewiglet said:

Seriously: when people go bike camping - for instance on a long
distance cycle ride - do they simply leave the bike outside? What
about rain/theft/etc?

If you have a Stallon GT you really can park inside the porch...

However, we used the Spacepacker last time as it was less weight
and bulk. Overnight the bikes were left outside, padlocked to one
another if there wasn't an obviously immovable object (one /can/
pick up ~40 Kg of two unwieldy objects padlocked together, but if
you can do it without disturbing anyone in the neighbourhood you'd
probably be a canny enough thief not to be worried about touring
bicycles...)

As for rain, we brought the seat cushions into the tent so they'd
be dry next day, on an upwrong a plastic bag over the saddle will
keep it dry.

http://www.personal.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/day6-3.jpg shows the
bikes locked together behind the tent, and the Orkneys on the horizon

Pete.
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Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

Peewiglet said:

Seriously: when people go bike camping - for instance on a long
distance cycle ride - do they simply leave the bike outside? What
about rain/theft/etc?

A long time ago I used to go cycle camping.

I used to leave it outside, held up with a peg and a guyline, cheapish cable
lock round frame and wheels and then into the tent and round pole. I used to
reckon that professional bike theives wern't going to bother traipsing round
camp sites looking for touring bikes, I just had to deter scrotes looking
for a laugh.

As far as rain, carrier bag over saddle and plenty of lube on chain.

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Peewiglet <[email hidden]>typed

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On Sun, 10 Jul 2005 21:03:03 +0100, Peter Clinch
<[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Peewiglet said:

Ha! Gimme a new tent any day...

And might I suggest the Hilleberg Stallon GT, with plenty of room
to park your bike (and probably a couple of spares for that
matter...) inside the extended porch...

Quoted message said:

Oooh, what a nice idea! I'll go and take a look, thanks 🙂

Quoted message said:

Seriously: when people go bike camping - for instance on a long
distance cycle ride - do they simply leave the bike outside? What
about rain/theft/etc?

I always left my bike outside, usually kept upright by a guyrope and a
peg or two. Sometimes I put a plastic bag on the saddle, sometimes I
used a cable lock to deter casual theft. Nothing ever was taken. I
*like* wild camping...

--
Helen D. Vecht: [email hidden]
Edgware.

Peewiglet said:

A recumbent bike somehow got into one of my dreams last night. I
wonder whether this is some sort of presage?...

Are you finding yourself drawn into bike shops as well as outdoors
shops? 😉

I'm very tempted by a recumbent trike.

Chris
--
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MARS Flight Crew http://www.mars.org.uk/
UKRA #1108 Level 2 UYB
Tripoli UK Member #9527 LSMR

Andy Morris said:

I used to leave it outside, held up with a peg and a guyline, cheapish cable
lock round frame and wheels and then into the tent and round pole. I used to
reckon that professional bike theives wern't going to bother traipsing round
camp sites looking for touring bikes, I just had to deter scrotes looking
for a laugh.

Don't rely on it to work though ;-)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/devon/news_features/2004/cyclist_diary/16082004.shtml

(It did have a happy ending - http://www.spokeseastkent.org.uk/spokes42.htm)

--
Tony

"I did make a mistake once - I thought I'd made a mistake but I hadn't"
Anon

"Andy Morris" <[email hidden]>typed

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A long time ago I used to go cycle camping.

<other stuff snipped>

Then I thought "I posted most of that."...

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Edgware.

On 07/11/2005 00:31:05 Helen Deborah Vecht said:

Peewiglet <[email hidden]>typed

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On Sun, 10 Jul 2005 21:03:03 +0100, Peter Clinch
<[email hidden]> wrote:

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Peewiglet wrote:

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> Ha! Gimme a new tent any day...

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And might I suggest the Hilleberg Stallon GT, with plenty of room to
park your bike (and probably a couple of spares for that matter...)
inside the extended porch...

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Oooh, what a nice idea! I'll go and take a look, thanks 🙂

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Seriously: when people go bike camping - for instance on a long distance
cycle ride - do they simply leave the bike outside? What about
rain/theft/etc?

Quoted message said:

I always left my bike outside, usually kept upright by a guyrope and a peg
or two. Sometimes I put a plastic bag on the saddle, sometimes I used a
cable lock to deter casual theft. Nothing ever was taken. I *like* wild
camping...

I really must get away cycle touring this year, last year was so hectic.

--

Buck

I would rather be out on my Catrike

http://www.catrike.co.uk

On 07/11/2005 00:33:55 Chris Eilbeck said:

Peewiglet <[email hidden]> writes:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

A recumbent bike somehow got into one of my dreams last night. I wonder
whether this is some sort of presage?...

Quoted message said:

Are you finding yourself drawn into bike shops as well as outdoors shops?
😉

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I'm very tempted by a recumbent trike.

Give in to the dark side Luke. Er I mean Chris....

--

Buck

I would rather be out on my Catrike

http://www.catrike.co.uk

Buck said:

On 07/11/2005 00:33:55 Chris Eilbeck said:

Peewiglet <[email hidden]> writes:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

A recumbent bike somehow got into one of my dreams last night. I wonder
whether this is some sort of presage?...

Quoted message said:

Are you finding yourself drawn into bike shops as well as outdoors shops?
😉

Quoted message said:

I'm very tempted by a recumbent trike.

Give in to the dark side Luke. Er I mean Chris....

**snip**

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http://www.catrike.co.uk

Yes, I was looking there just the other day...

Chris
--
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Helen Deborah Vecht said:

I always left my bike outside, usually kept upright by a guyrope and a
peg or two. Sometimes I put a plastic bag on the saddle, sometimes I
used a cable lock to deter casual theft. Nothing ever was taken.

Sounds good!

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I
*like* wild camping...

Me too 🙂

Best wishes,
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(**)PeeWiglet~~
/ \ / \ pee AT [guessthisbit].co.uk

On 07/11/2005 00:33:55 Chris Eilbeck said:

Quoted message said:

Peewiglet <[email hidden]> writes:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

A recumbent bike somehow got into one of my dreams last night. I wonder
whether this is some sort of presage?...

Quoted message said:

Are you finding yourself drawn into bike shops as well as outdoors shops?
😉

<Blush....> It seems to be starting... For instance, this evening
after work I 'had to' dash home at top speed to get to the bike shop
in time to buy a new water bottle and some energy bars...

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I'm very tempted by a recumbent trike.

Recumbent trike??? Ye gods....! :-)

Best wishes,
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(**)PeeWiglet~~
/ \ / \ pee AT [guessthisbit].co.uk