More questions...

A cap will help retain some body heat and, especially if you use a bright
one (I like the day-glo orange or yellow), you will be more visible to
others, including boats.

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Ok, more questions

1) Shaving/cutting hair. -- in the summer i have my hair vut to about 1/4
inch long. Should i let it grow longer? should i keep it this lenght?
Should
I shave it off?

2) swim cap -- Currently because of the lenght of my hair, i do not use a
cap. i have a latex and a silicone one. shoudl i use one? Which one? They
are both comfortable...

3) errr.. uhm... -- Obviously urinating, just go, but what about the
other.... how many hours before my swim should i stop eating so that i
dont
have to worry about solid stuff?

4) the day before -- What should I eat and drink? what should I not eat or
drink? What should I do? what should i not do?

Thanks,

Micheal

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Quoted message said:

Ok, more questions

1) Shaving/cutting hair. -- in the summer i have my hair vut to about 1/4
inch long. Should i let it grow longer? should i keep it this lenght?
Should
I shave it off?

2) swim cap -- Currently because of the lenght of my hair, i do not use a
cap. i have a latex and a silicone one. shoudl i use one? Which one? They
are both comfortable...

3) errr.. uhm... -- Obviously urinating, just go, but what about the
other.... how many hours before my swim should i stop eating so that i
dont
have to worry about solid stuff?

4) the day before -- What should I eat and drink? what should I not eat or
drink? What should I do? what should i not do?

Thanks,

Micheal

here's another question:

why do you keep starting different threads on the same topic?

Micheal Artindale said:

2) swim cap -- Currently because of the lenght of my hair, i do not use a
cap. i have a latex and a silicone one. shoudl i use one? Which one? They
are both comfortable...

If you're at all worried about the cold get a neoprene cap.

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"Micheal Artindale" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Ok, more questions

1) Shaving/cutting hair. -- in the summer i have my hair vut to about

1/4

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

inch long. Should i let it grow longer? should i keep it this lenght?
Should
I shave it off?

2) swim cap -- Currently because of the lenght of my hair, i do not use

a

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

cap. i have a latex and a silicone one. shoudl i use one? Which one?

They

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

are both comfortable...

3) errr.. uhm... -- Obviously urinating, just go, but what about the
other.... how many hours before my swim should i stop eating so that i
dont
have to worry about solid stuff?

4) the day before -- What should I eat and drink? what should I not eat

or

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

drink? What should I do? what should i not do?

Thanks,

Micheal

here's another question:

why do you keep starting different threads on the same topic?

Because it is not in response to what anyone else replied to.

Sorry,

Micheal

Micheal Artindale said:

Ok, more questions

1) Shaving/cutting hair. -- in the summer i have my hair vut to about 1/4
inch long. Should i let it grow longer? should i keep it this lenght? Should
I shave it off?

Your cap will be more comfortable with short hair.

Quoted message said:

2) swim cap -- Currently because of the lenght of my hair, i do not use a
cap. i have a latex and a silicone one. shoudl i use one? Which one? They
are both comfortable...

Use both, unless it is hot. A lot of your heat loss will be through
your head.

Quoted message said:

3) errr.. uhm... -- Obviously urinating, just go, but what about the
other.... how many hours before my swim should i stop eating so that i dont
have to worry about solid stuff?

I wouldn't eat heavy meals, ie fat, for a day or two before the swim,
but I would eat lots of pasta or rice. Everybody has their own
regimen.

Quoted message said:

4) the day before -- What should I eat and drink? what should I not eat or
drink? What should I do? what should i not do?

See above. Don't eat or drink things the evening before that will
disturb sleep. ie no caffeine, asparthame, etc. Don't eat a lot of
fat. Eat complex carbs.

You really should work out this mental problem you have, before you do
the swim.

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Micheal Artindale said:

Ok, more questions

1) Shaving/cutting hair. -- in the summer i have my hair vut to about 1/4
inch long. Should i let it grow longer? should i keep it this lenght?

Should

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I shave it off?

Your cap will be more comfortable with short hair.

Quoted message said:

2) swim cap -- Currently because of the lenght of my hair, i do not use a
cap. i have a latex and a silicone one. shoudl i use one? Which one? They
are both comfortable...

Use both, unless it is hot. A lot of your heat loss will be through
your head.

Use both at the same time? so the latex first, then the silicone?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

3) errr.. uhm... -- Obviously urinating, just go, but what about the
other.... how many hours before my swim should i stop eating so that i

dont

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

have to worry about solid stuff?

I wouldn't eat heavy meals, ie fat, for a day or two before the swim,
but I would eat lots of pasta or rice. Everybody has their own
regimen.

I love pasta... Glad to hear it is a the best to eat.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

4) the day before -- What should I eat and drink? what should I not eat

or

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

drink? What should I do? what should i not do?

See above. Don't eat or drink things the evening before that will
disturb sleep. ie no caffeine, asparthame, etc. Don't eat a lot of
fat. Eat complex carbs.

Besides pasta and rice, what else?

Quoted message said:

You really should work out this mental problem you have, before you do
the swim.

The mental is only in a pool. In a lake, for some reason it disapears.

Micheal

Micheal, do yourself a big favour don't do this swim before you have done a
lot more pool and openwater swimming, you have a lot of questions which I'm
sure you will have answers for when and only when you are READY for such a
swim. At the moment you are trying to take shortcuts which could lead to bad
things.

I have been swimming races for just over a year now and did my first 5500m
swim about a week ago in a POOL. Beleive me I felt it. After 5km there is
not a shoulder musle that doesn't know what you are up to and they do reply.
A good strech after was all that helped. You sound like a complete novice at
this, If you want to hurt yourself go for it but do it in a pool first where
you can still stand up if you know you are in trouble, walk a bit even rest
and then only go on.
Yes you have friends on the boat alongside you but it only takes one cup of
water to drown an inexperienced swimmer, and a lapse of concentration from
your to friends on the boat and you are fish food.
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Quoted message said:

Micheal Artindale said:

Ok, more questions

1) Shaving/cutting hair. -- in the summer i have my hair vut to about 1/4
inch long. Should i let it grow longer? should i keep it this lenght?

Should

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I shave it off?

Your cap will be more comfortable with short hair.

Quoted message said:

2) swim cap -- Currently because of the lenght of my hair, i do not use a
cap. i have a latex and a silicone one. shoudl i use one? Which one? They
are both comfortable...

Use both, unless it is hot. A lot of your heat loss will be through
your head.

Quoted message said:

3) errr.. uhm... -- Obviously urinating, just go, but what about the
other.... how many hours before my swim should i stop eating so that i

dont

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

have to worry about solid stuff?

I wouldn't eat heavy meals, ie fat, for a day or two before the swim,
but I would eat lots of pasta or rice. Everybody has their own
regimen.

Quoted message said:

4) the day before -- What should I eat and drink? what should I not eat

or

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

drink? What should I do? what should i not do?

See above. Don't eat or drink things the evening before that will
disturb sleep. ie no caffeine, asparthame, etc. Don't eat a lot of
fat. Eat complex carbs.

You really should work out this mental problem you have, before you do
the swim.

On 6/30/05 9:11 PM, in article [email hidden],

Micheal Artindale said:

"Otis B. Driftwood" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Micheal Artindale said:

Ok, more questions

1) Shaving/cutting hair. -- in the summer i have my hair vut to about 1/4
inch long. Should i let it grow longer? should i keep it this lenght?

Should

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I shave it off?

Your cap will be more comfortable with short hair.

Quoted message said:

2) swim cap -- Currently because of the lenght of my hair, i do not use a
cap. i have a latex and a silicone one. shoudl i use one? Which one? They
are both comfortable...

Use both, unless it is hot. A lot of your heat loss will be through
your head.

Use both at the same time? so the latex first, then the silicone?

That's a big decision. Spend a lot of time thinking about it. And then spend
the entire swim worrying about whether you got it right.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

3) errr.. uhm... -- Obviously urinating, just go, but what about the
other.... how many hours before my swim should i stop eating so that i

dont

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

have to worry about solid stuff?

I wouldn't eat heavy meals, ie fat, for a day or two before the swim,
but I would eat lots of pasta or rice. Everybody has their own
regimen.

I love pasta... Glad to hear it is a the best to eat.

I didn't say anything about best. I said everyone has their own regimen.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

4) the day before -- What should I eat and drink? what should I not eat

or

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

drink? What should I do? what should i not do?

See above. Don't eat or drink things the evening before that will
disturb sleep. ie no caffeine, asparthame, etc. Don't eat a lot of
fat. Eat complex carbs.

Besides pasta and rice, what else?

Isn't that enough?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

You really should work out this mental problem you have, before you do
the swim.

The mental is only in a pool. In a lake, for some reason it disapears.

Don't you wonder why your reactions to the differences between pool and open
water swimming are pretty much the opposite of those of most everyone else?

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On 6/30/05 9:11 PM, in article [email hidden],

Micheal Artindale said:

"Otis B. Driftwood" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"Micheal Artindale" <[email hidden]> wrote:

> Ok, more questions
>
> 1) Shaving/cutting hair. -- in the summer i have my hair vut to about

1/4

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> inch long. Should i let it grow longer? should i keep it this lenght?

Should

Quoted message said:

> I shave it off?

Your cap will be more comfortable with short hair.

> 2) swim cap -- Currently because of the lenght of my hair, i do not

use a

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> cap. i have a latex and a silicone one. shoudl i use one? Which one?

They

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> are both comfortable...

Use both, unless it is hot. A lot of your heat loss will be through
your head.

Use both at the same time? so the latex first, then the silicone?

That's a big decision. Spend a lot of time thinking about it. And then

spend

Quoted message said:

the entire swim worrying about whether you got it right.

naw... I may just not wear one

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> 3) errr.. uhm... -- Obviously urinating, just go, but what about the
> other.... how many hours before my swim should i stop eating so that i

dont

Quoted message said:

> have to worry about solid stuff?

I wouldn't eat heavy meals, ie fat, for a day or two before the swim,
but I would eat lots of pasta or rice. Everybody has their own
regimen.

I love pasta... Glad to hear it is a the best to eat.

I didn't say anything about best. I said everyone has their own regimen.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> 4) the day before -- What should I eat and drink? what should I not

eat

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

or

Quoted message said:

> drink? What should I do? what should i not do?

See above. Don't eat or drink things the evening before that will
disturb sleep. ie no caffeine, asparthame, etc. Don't eat a lot of
fat. Eat complex carbs.

Besides pasta and rice, what else?

Isn't that enough?

not from a nutrision stand point.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

You really should work out this mental problem you have, before you do
the swim.

The mental is only in a pool. In a lake, for some reason it disapears.

Don't you wonder why your reactions to the differences between pool and

open

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water swimming are pretty much the opposite of those of most everyone

else?

Nope. all I kknow is that the distance seems further in a pool.

Micheal

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Micheal, do yourself a big favour don't do this swim before you have done

a

Quoted message said:

lot more pool and openwater swimming, you have a lot of questions which

I'm

Quoted message said:

sure you will have answers for when and only when you are READY for such a
swim. At the moment you are trying to take shortcuts which could lead to

bad

Quoted message said:

things.

I have one question.... Did those people who have swam the english channel
and across the various great lakes do that same distance nonstop in a pool?

Quoted message said:

I have been swimming races for just over a year now and did my first 5500m
swim about a week ago in a POOL. Beleive me I felt it. After 5km there is
not a shoulder musle that doesn't know what you are up to and they do

reply.

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A good strech after was all that helped. You sound like a complete novice

at

Quoted message said:

this, If you want to hurt yourself go for it but do it in a pool first

where

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you can still stand up if you know you are in trouble, walk a bit even

rest

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and then only go on.

That is what the boat is for.

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Yes you have friends on the boat alongside you but it only takes one cup

of

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water to drown an inexperienced swimmer, and a lapse of concentration from
your to friends on the boat and you are fish food.

True, but the same thing could happen in a pool. Both of my friends are
excellent swimmer and know CPR and standard Frist Aid.

Micheal

Micheal Artindale said:

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On 6/30/05 9:11 PM, in article [email hidden],

Micheal Artindale said:

"Otis B. Driftwood" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> "Micheal Artindale" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
>> Ok, more questions
>>
>> 1) Shaving/cutting hair. -- in the summer i have my hair vut to about

1/4

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>> inch long. Should i let it grow longer? should i keep it this lenght?
Should
>> I shave it off?
>
> Your cap will be more comfortable with short hair.
>
>> 2) swim cap -- Currently because of the lenght of my hair, i do not

use a

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>> cap. i have a latex and a silicone one. shoudl i use one? Which one?

They

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>> are both comfortable...
>
> Use both, unless it is hot. A lot of your heat loss will be through
> your head.

Use both at the same time? so the latex first, then the silicone?

That's a big decision. Spend a lot of time thinking about it. And then

spend

Quoted message said:

the entire swim worrying about whether you got it right.

naw... I may just not wear one

For safety reasons you should wear one.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>> 3) errr.. uhm... -- Obviously urinating, just go, but what about the
>> other.... how many hours before my swim should i stop eating so that i
dont
>> have to worry about solid stuff?
>
> I wouldn't eat heavy meals, ie fat, for a day or two before the swim,
> but I would eat lots of pasta or rice. Everybody has their own
> regimen.

I love pasta... Glad to hear it is a the best to eat.

I didn't say anything about best. I said everyone has their own regimen.

Quoted message said:

>> 4) the day before -- What should I eat and drink? what should I not

eat

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

or
>> drink? What should I do? what should i not do?
>
> See above. Don't eat or drink things the evening before that will
> disturb sleep. ie no caffeine, asparthame, etc. Don't eat a lot of
> fat. Eat complex carbs.

Besides pasta and rice, what else?

Isn't that enough?

not from a nutrision stand point.

We're not talking about nutrition. we're talking about energy for an
8k swim.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> You really should work out this mental problem you have, before you do
> the swim.

The mental is only in a pool. In a lake, for some reason it disapears.

Don't you wonder why your reactions to the differences between pool and

open

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water swimming are pretty much the opposite of those of most everyone

else?

Nope. all I kknow is that the distance seems further in a pool.

But you know it isn't, and you know you get to push off the wall every
25 meters in the pool, so what do you think is causing this glaring
inconsistency? 30 minutes in the pool, 27 minutes in the lake.

Micheal Artindale said:

"Marcel Meijer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Micheal, do yourself a big favour don't do this swim before you have done

a

Quoted message said:

lot more pool and openwater swimming, you have a lot of questions which

I'm

Quoted message said:

sure you will have answers for when and only when you are READY for such a
swim. At the moment you are trying to take shortcuts which could lead to

bad

Quoted message said:

things.

I have one question.... Did those people who have swam the english channel
and across the various great lakes do that same distance nonstop in a pool?

Some probably did, but most of them probably trained for their race by
swimming a lot of hard workouts, maybe 50k per week for several months
before the race, and they had years and years of distance training as
a foundation, so they had reason to believe they could complete their
chosen distance. You don't, yet.

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I have one question.... Did those people who have swam the english channel
and across the various great lakes do that same distance nonstop in a
pool?

I haven't swam English Channel but I swam Lake St-John (32k & 40k, Canada),
Lake Memphremagog (42k, Canada), Atlantic City Around-the-Island Swim (36k,
US), Hernandarias-Parana (88k down a river, Argentina), + many other 15k &
more races. I was training mainly in pool (7-11 x per week) + few training
in open water at the beginning of the summer or when I was in training camp
in Florida (3-4 open water swim per week). Longest distance non-stop in pool
was 20k (I did it 3-4 times, usually once a year) but regular session in
pool were between 8-13k. Highest milleage for a week was 140k (11
trainings). Average was probably between 60-75k.

SebB

Suddenly I feel like an amateur, I do my 20 -30km a week, that is the time I
have available and that is mostly @ 5 in the morning and then twice a week I
put in a double shift one in the morning and one in the late after noon. Is
swimming all you guys do? How much do you do Micheal, anything remotely
close to this that can validate your ability to do the 8 km. Here is a real
chalenge for you Micheal, I asked for a couple of hard sessions on this
site, work them and reply to them, there is some nice ones in there.
Then from my side I will commit to swimming that 8km the same day you do in
a dam or lake in my area, it's winter here now thus if you are fast to do
this you can make me suffer for putting you through this. We can set a date
and the GMT time and we can swim @ the same time. Anyone else want to join
in, we make it a global race. You record your time and enter it here and we
know who wins, what do you get: nothing just have some fun, this leaves
nobody with a reason to lie about their times. Any one interested?

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I have one question.... Did those people who have swam the english

channel

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

and across the various great lakes do that same distance nonstop in a
pool?

I haven't swam English Channel but I swam Lake St-John (32k & 40k,

Canada),

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Lake Memphremagog (42k, Canada), Atlantic City Around-the-Island Swim

(36k,

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US), Hernandarias-Parana (88k down a river, Argentina), + many other 15k &
more races. I was training mainly in pool (7-11 x per week) + few training
in open water at the beginning of the summer or when I was in training

camp

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in Florida (3-4 open water swim per week). Longest distance non-stop in

pool

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was 20k (I did it 3-4 times, usually once a year) but regular session in
pool were between 8-13k. Highest milleage for a week was 140k (11
trainings). Average was probably between 60-75k.

SebB

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Suddenly I feel like an amateur, I do my 20 -30km a week, that is the time
I
have available and that is mostly @ 5 in the morning and then twice a week
I
put in a double shift one in the morning and one in the late after noon.
Is
swimming all you guys do?

At the time I was swimming, I was a student at university. I was swimming
from 5:30 to 7:30 or 8:00 (am) and from 15h30 to 18:30. Depending of the
season, the training could be shorter or few time longer. As soon the
classses were over, I was just swimming.

SebB