Re: Blood Microscopy

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One drop of blood is drawn from your finger and is placed under the
microscope which is connected to a video monitor projecting and at the

same

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time recording the activity. The technician thoroughly describes the
procedure, evaluates the finding, and offers suggestions as to how to
correct imbalances through diet and nutritional supplementation.

And his suggestions invariably involve the purchase of the very

supplements

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that he is selling!

What a bunch of inept pseudoscience. Your attempts to fool people are
despicable.

--Rich

Your profound ignorance is overwhelming. I have had numerous people tell me
that you are
a drug company shill. I have to believe that. In case you don't understand
what a shill is......

shill ( P ) Pronunciation Key (shl) Slang
n.
One who poses as a satisfied customer or an enthusiastic gambler to dupe
bystanders into participating in a swindle.

One can't help but notice that, instead of addressing the criticism that
live cell microscopy is pseudoscience and quackery, you choose the ad
hominem attack. You choose to misdirect attention from the point Rich
made (that live cell microscopy is quackery) by misdirecting people with
a smear on him as a "drug company shill."

Next, no doubt you'll attack me for pointing out this tendency of yours.
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> One drop of blood is drawn from your finger and is placed under the
> microscope which is connected to a video monitor projecting and at

the

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same
> time recording the activity. The technician thoroughly describes the
> procedure, evaluates the finding, and offers suggestions as to how

to

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> correct imbalances through diet and nutritional supplementation.

And his suggestions invariably involve the purchase of the very

supplements

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that he is selling!

What a bunch of inept pseudoscience. Your attempts to fool people are
despicable.

--Rich

Your profound ignorance is overwhelming. I have had numerous people tell

me

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that you are
a drug company shill. I have to believe that. In case you don't

understand

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what a shill is......

shill ( P ) Pronunciation Key (shl) Slang
n.
One who poses as a satisfied customer or an enthusiastic gambler to dupe
bystanders into participating in a swindle.

One can't help but notice that, instead of addressing the criticism that
live cell microscopy is pseudoscience and quackery, you choose the ad
hominem attack. You choose to misdirect attention from the point Rich
made (that live cell microscopy is quackery) by misdirecting people with
a smear on him as a "drug company shill."

Next, no doubt you'll attack me for pointing out this tendency of yours.

Not at all, what I said was that his comments show a fundamental ignorance.
I don't accept
ignorance.

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Here is a link to a MD who uses this diagnostic tool to help life.

http://www.ivankrohnmd.com/livecell.html

He should have his license revoked.

He is in New Jersey.

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> > One drop of blood is drawn from your finger and is placed under

the

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> > microscope which is connected to a video monitor projecting and at

the

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> same
> > time recording the activity. The technician thoroughly describes

the

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> > procedure, evaluates the finding, and offers suggestions as to how

to

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> > correct imbalances through diet and nutritional supplementation.
>
> And his suggestions invariably involve the purchase of the very
supplements
> that he is selling!
>
> What a bunch of inept pseudoscience. Your attempts to fool people

are

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> despicable.
>
> --Rich

Your profound ignorance is overwhelming. I have had numerous people

tell

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me

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that you are
a drug company shill. I have to believe that. In case you don't

understand

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what a shill is......

shill ( P ) Pronunciation Key (shl) Slang
n.
One who poses as a satisfied customer or an enthusiastic gambler to

dupe

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bystanders into participating in a swindle.

One can't help but notice that, instead of addressing the criticism that
live cell microscopy is pseudoscience and quackery, you choose the ad
hominem attack. You choose to misdirect attention from the point Rich
made (that live cell microscopy is quackery) by misdirecting people with
a smear on him as a "drug company shill."

Next, no doubt you'll attack me for pointing out this tendency of yours.

Not at all, what I said was that his comments show a fundamental

ignorance.

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I don't accept
ignorance.

If you do not accept ignorance, then why do you post what you do?

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In article <[email hidden]>,

Dave said:

"Rich Shewmaker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> And his suggestions invariably involve the purchase of the very
supplements
> that he is selling!
>
> What a bunch of inept pseudoscience. Your attempts to fool people are
> despicable.
>
> --Rich

Your profound ignorance is overwhelming. I have had numerous people tell

me

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that you are
a drug company shill. I have to believe that. In case you don't

understand

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what a shill is......

shill ( P ) Pronunciation Key (shl) Slang
n.
One who poses as a satisfied customer or an enthusiastic gambler to dupe
bystanders into participating in a swindle.

One can't help but notice that, instead of addressing the criticism that
live cell microscopy is pseudoscience and quackery, you choose the ad
hominem attack. You choose to misdirect attention from the point Rich
made (that live cell microscopy is quackery) by misdirecting people with
a smear on him as a "drug company shill."

Next, no doubt you'll attack me for pointing out this tendency of yours.

Not at all, what I said was that his comments show a fundamental ignorance.

"Fundamental ignorance"? [censored]. You called Rich a "shill" for the
pharmaceutical companies, even going so far as to provide dictionary
definitions of the word "shill," "in case" (as you put it) "you don't
understand what a shill is." That's more than just calling Rich
"ignorant." That's an accusation that he is saying what he is saying for
motives that are not pure. You were questioning his integrity and all
but calling him a liar. Worse, you didn't bother to back up your
accusation with anything other than the worst form of hearsay, that
others had told you on Usenet that he was a "shill."

So, now that you've made the accusation that Rich is a "shill" for the
pharmaceutical companies and have been challenged on in, if you are an
honorable person, you will either produce evidence to back up your
accusation or you retract your accusation and apologize to Rich for
falsely impugning his integrity.

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I don't accept
ignorance.

And I don't accept unjustified, unsubstantiated accusations, like the
one you just launched on Rich.

Now, back to the pseudoscientific [censored] that is "live cell blood
microscopy." Please tell us what evidence there is that this test is
useful for anything but lining the pockets of altie practitioners at the
expense of gullible marks who go "ooh" and "ahh" when they see their own
red blood cells on a video screen.
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|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
| inconvenience me with questions?"

Here's an example of how they fool the suckers.

The before and after slides here may only mean something to those who have
used a microscope medically, but they show the depths of deception
involved.

The one on the left is unrecognisable as anything, but is presumably the
edge of a dried out or otherwise maltreated blood smear. It apparently
shows that you badly need something called Prozyme. The one on the right
shows a dark ground image of some red cells floating in liquid, which is
not even a good enough image to show the cells to illustrate the normal
expansion of red cells towards their edges.

http://www.sidekicksonline.com/marketing/blood.htm

Peter Moran

Dave said:

Your profound ignorance is overwhelming. I have had numerous people tell me
that you are
a drug company shill. I have to believe that. In case you don't understand
what a shill is......

Step 1, Dave. Don't forget where calling someone a paedophile comes in
the schedule. And don't forget to mention the basement he lives in and
how bankrupt he is. All taught in Arguing Nonsense 102.

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To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com

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One can't help but notice that, instead of addressing the criticism that
live cell microscopy is pseudoscience and quackery, you choose the ad
hominem attack. You choose to misdirect attention from the point Rich
made (that live cell microscopy is quackery) by misdirecting people with
a smear on him as a "drug company shill."

Next, no doubt you'll attack me for pointing out this tendency of yours.

Not at all, what I said was that his comments show a fundamental

ignorance.

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I don't accept
ignorance.

If you do not accept ignorance, then why do you post what you do?

Heh heh. Concise, to the point, and quite accurate. I wish I'd said it.
;-)

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Your profound ignorance is overwhelming. I have had numerous people tell

me

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that you are
a drug company shill. I have to believe that. In case you don't understand
what a shill is......

shill ( P ) Pronunciation Key (shl) Slang
n.
One who poses as a satisfied customer or an enthusiastic gambler to dupe
bystanders into participating in a swindle.

v. shilled, shill·ing, shills
v. intr.
To act as a shill.

v. tr.
To act as a shill for (a deceitful enterprise).
To lure (a person) into a swindle.

LOL! If I'm a shill for the pharm companies, they must be sending my
paycheck to the wrong address. :oD. As for my "ignorance," I'll match my
knowledge against yours in just about any subject category you care to name.
How about we start with the subject of microscopic examination of human
blood? Or perhaps you would prefer a body of knowledge that's off topic for
this newsgroup such as art history, or baseball, or American literature, or
geography. You can call me "ignorant" if you wish, but I'm smarter than you,
and better educated, and I have more "real experience" than you besides.

;o) Rich

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Not at all, what I said was that his comments show a fundamental

ignorance.

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I don't accept
ignorance.

And yopu're wrong. And you haven't shown exactly why you make this claim.
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> One can't help but notice that, instead of addressing the criticism

that

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> live cell microscopy is pseudoscience and quackery, you choose the

ad

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> hominem attack. You choose to misdirect attention from the point

Rich

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> made (that live cell microscopy is quackery) by misdirecting people

with

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> a smear on him as a "drug company shill."
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> Next, no doubt you'll attack me for pointing out this tendency of

yours.

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Not at all, what I said was that his comments show a fundamental

ignorance.

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I don't accept
ignorance.

If you do not accept ignorance, then why do you post what you do?

Heh heh. Concise, to the point, and quite accurate. I wish I'd said it.
;-)

I was a bit surprised that I beat you to it.

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Your profound ignorance is overwhelming. I have had numerous people

tell

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me

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that you are
a drug company shill. I have to believe that. In case you don't

understand

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what a shill is......

shill ( P ) Pronunciation Key (shl) Slang
n.
One who poses as a satisfied customer or an enthusiastic gambler to

dupe

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bystanders into participating in a swindle.

v. shilled, shill·ing, shills
v. intr.
To act as a shill.

v. tr.
To act as a shill for (a deceitful enterprise).
To lure (a person) into a swindle.

LOL! If I'm a shill for the pharm companies, they must be sending my
paycheck to the wrong address. :oD. As for my "ignorance," I'll match

my

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knowledge against yours in just about any subject category you care to

name.

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How about we start with the subject of microscopic examination of human
blood? Or perhaps you would prefer a body of knowledge that's off topic

for

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this newsgroup such as art history, or baseball, or American literature,

or

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geography. You can call me "ignorant" if you wish, but I'm smarter than

you,

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and better educated, and I have more "real experience" than you besides.

I'm sure you are correct when you say you have lots of knowledge. You have
probably studied
many things very diligently. What you don't possess is understanding.
Understanding is a
spiritual thing. It can't be learned it is acquired by getting in touch

with

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the universe.

So you "understand" the universe without knowledge? Why not acquire a little
knowledge to go along with that profound understanding? It sounds to me like
you are just too lazy to study anything "very diligently."

It allows us

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to understand things that we have never even studied. It is the secret

that

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the people you refer
to as "alties" possess to one degree or another. It is the reason you hate
us so, because you
can't understand what we understand. We live life on a higher (spiritual)
plane.

I've heard of a holier-than-thou attitude before, but I think this is the
first time I've ever heard anyone make the bald claim.

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So, I live my life with love. I help people every single day because I

care

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about them.

I, too, help people every day, and care about them. And I find knowledge to
be indispensible to that process.

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So you can tell anyone you wish that you are better educated than me and

can

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answer more technical questions than me. But I wish for you to find
understanding so you no longer need that to be secure with yourself. If

you

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are sick, I wish you to find the path to health. If not, I hope you will
study the benefits of supplements.

I've read a lot about the benefits of supplements. And there ARE benefits
for some people. I believe women of child-bearing age shoud be taking folic
acid supplement. Elderly people should be getting some extra calcium. But
supplements are not miracle medications, and not everyone needs to be taking
them. I've also studied the benefits of sitting in the lotus position and
chanting a mantra. I don't do that either.

If you are sick, I hope you have a good physician. And I hope you eat
nutritious foods and get some exercise.

And for your sake, I hope you actually learn something every day. The mind
needs supplements.

--Rich

Dave said:

Although live cell microscopy was invented 70 years ago, only with the
recent advent of a video camera and monitor did it become possible for the
patient to become involved by observing the immediate test results on the
screen. Richard Santee performs this diagnostic test using only one drop of
blood. It is placed under a microscope, magnified 1000 times and projected
onto a television tape recording monitor. This high-powered magnification
will allow you to actually view your blood cells and immune system in action
at the cellular level!

No ... the immune system actions are at a molecular level, and
invisible with ordinary microscopy.

What he is showing is mystifying to the client, and therefore can
be exploited. Strands of fibrin and platelets are called
"parasites", and rouleaux of RBS are touted as abnormal (when
it's normal for them to do it as the specimen dries).

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"Rich Shewmaker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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How about we start with the subject of microscopic examination of human
blood? Or perhaps you would prefer a body of knowledge that's off topic

for

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this newsgroup such as art history, or baseball, or American literature,

or

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geography. You can call me "ignorant" if you wish, but I'm smarter than

you,

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and better educated, and I have more "real experience" than you besides.

I'm sure you are correct when you say you have lots of knowledge. You
have probably studied many things very diligently. What you don't
possess is understanding. Understanding is a spiritual thing. It
can't be learned it is acquired by getting in touch with the
universe. It allows us to understand things that we have never even
studied.

You can't "understand" something without having knowledge of it upon
which to base your "understanding." For some things, obtaining this
knowledge involves study. In others (for instance, people skills) this
knowledge comes from life experience.

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It is the secret that the people you refer to as "alties"
possess to one degree or another. It is the reason you hate us so,
because you can't understand what we understand. We live life on a
higher (spiritual) plane.

Those who truly live on a "higher" (spiritual) plain (as you put it)
generally remember one of the greatest virtues: humility. Gandhi didn't
brag about "living on a higher plain," nor did Jesus, Martin Luther
King, etc., etc., etc. None of them claimed that anyone couldn't
understand what they understood.

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So, I live my life with love. I help people every single day because I care
about them.

Not to mention a profitable business selling herbs.

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So you can tell anyone you wish that you are better educated than me and can
answer more technical questions than me. But I wish for you to find
understanding so you no longer need that to be secure with yourself.

"Understanding" that goes against science and even common sense is no
"understanding" at all.

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If you
are sick, I wish you to find the path to health. If not, I hope you will
study the benefits of supplements.

One hopes you will also realize the limitations of supplements. So far,
I have not gotten the impression that you do.
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In article <[email hidden]>,

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"Rich Shewmaker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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How about we start with the subject of microscopic examination of

human

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blood? Or perhaps you would prefer a body of knowledge that's off

topic

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for

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this newsgroup such as art history, or baseball, or American

literature,

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or

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geography. You can call me "ignorant" if you wish, but I'm smarter

than

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you,

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and better educated, and I have more "real experience" than you

besides.

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I'm sure you are correct when you say you have lots of knowledge. You
have probably studied many things very diligently. What you don't
possess is understanding. Understanding is a spiritual thing. It
can't be learned it is acquired by getting in touch with the
universe. It allows us to understand things that we have never even
studied.

You can't "understand" something without having knowledge of it upon
which to base your "understanding." For some things, obtaining this
knowledge involves study. In others (for instance, people skills) this
knowledge comes from life experience.

Quoted message said:

It is the secret that the people you refer to as "alties"
possess to one degree or another. It is the reason you hate us so,
because you can't understand what we understand. We live life on a
higher (spiritual) plane.

Those who truly live on a "higher" (spiritual) plain (as you put it)
generally remember one of the greatest virtues: humility. Gandhi didn't
brag about "living on a higher plain," nor did Jesus, Martin Luther
King, etc., etc., etc. None of them claimed that anyone couldn't
understand what they understood.

And I never ever brag about it nor usually even mention it.

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So, I live my life with love. I help people every single day because I

care

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about them.

Not to mention a profitable business selling herbs.

Quoted message said:

So you can tell anyone you wish that you are better educated than me and

can

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answer more technical questions than me. But I wish for you to find
understanding so you no longer need that to be secure with yourself.

"Understanding" that goes against science and even common sense is no
"understanding" at all.

Quoted message said:

If you
are sick, I wish you to find the path to health. If not, I hope you

will

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study the benefits of supplements.

One hopes you will also realize the limitations of supplements. So far,
I have not gotten the impression that you do.
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|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
| inconvenience me with questions?"

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> How about we start with the subject of microscopic examination of

human

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> blood? Or perhaps you would prefer a body of knowledge that's off

topic

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for
> this newsgroup such as art history, or baseball, or American

literature,

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or
> geography. You can call me "ignorant" if you wish, but I'm smarter

than

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you,
> and better educated, and I have more "real experience" than you

besides.

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I'm sure you are correct when you say you have lots of knowledge. You
have probably studied many things very diligently. What you don't
possess is understanding. Understanding is a spiritual thing. It
can't be learned it is acquired by getting in touch with the
universe. It allows us to understand things that we have never even
studied.

You can't "understand" something without having knowledge of it upon
which to base your "understanding." For some things, obtaining this
knowledge involves study. In others (for instance, people skills) this
knowledge comes from life experience.

It is like I said, the understanding to which I refer is spiritual. It is
not learned or studied.
It just is.

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It is the secret that the people you refer to as "alties"
possess to one degree or another. It is the reason you hate us so,
because you can't understand what we understand. We live life on a
higher (spiritual) plane.

Those who truly live on a "higher" (spiritual) plain (as you put it)
generally remember one of the greatest virtues: humility. Gandhi didn't
brag about "living on a higher plain," nor did Jesus, Martin Luther
King, etc., etc., etc. None of them claimed that anyone couldn't
understand what they understood.

And I never ever brag about it nor usually even mention it.

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So, I live my life with love. I help people every single day because I

care

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about them.

Not to mention a profitable business selling herbs.

Does someone give you your food? Your medicine? Why would you expect that I
would?

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So you can tell anyone you wish that you are better educated than me

and

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can

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answer more technical questions than me. But I wish for you to find
understanding so you no longer need that to be secure with yourself.

"Understanding" that goes against science and even common sense is no
"understanding" at all.

You make my case.

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If you
are sick, I wish you to find the path to health. If not, I hope you

will

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study the benefits of supplements.

One hopes you will also realize the limitations of supplements. So far,
I have not gotten the impression that you do.

You continue to make my case. You don't seem to understand that you will not
continue (you aren't now but don't know it) to be healthy unless you take
good
quality (there's tons of [censored] out there) supplements every single day. As
long as
you maintain your ignorance of such matters, you do yourself and everyone
you
council a disservice.

In order to be a doctor you study for 10 years. You study about the bodily
functions
from the perspective of medicines and how they affect those systems. The
trouble is
that "nature" (the all powerful force) designed us to function by eating
natural things in
a natural form. Generally speaking, once any substance is heated to the
temperature
necessary to create a fabricated substance, the "natural" properties are
destroyed. The
result is a substance in a form that is foreign to our bodies.

Anyway, the posts I have seen here regarding immune systems and supplements
are
so misguided as to denote ignorance of the subject from the posters.

In article <[email hidden]>,

Dave said:

"Orac" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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In article <[email hidden]>,
"Dave" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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It is the secret that the people you refer to as "alties"
possess to one degree or another. It is the reason you hate us so,
because you can't understand what we understand. We live life on a
higher (spiritual) plane.

Those who truly live on a "higher" (spiritual) plain (as you put it)
generally remember one of the greatest virtues: humility. Gandhi didn't
brag about "living on a higher plain," nor did Jesus, Martin Luther
King, etc., etc., etc. None of them claimed that anyone couldn't
understand what they understood.

And I never ever brag about it nor usually even mention it.

You just did.
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|
|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
| inconvenience me with questions?"

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I'm sure you are correct when you say you have lots of knowledge. You have
probably studied
many things very diligently. What you don't possess is understanding.
Understanding is a
spiritual thing. It can't be learned it is acquired by getting in touch

with

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the universe. It allows us
to understand things that we have never even studied. It is the secret

that

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the people you refer
to as "alties" possess to one degree or another. It is the reason you hate
us so, because you
can't understand what we understand. We live life on a higher (spiritual)
plane.

Read:

http://www.vard.org/jour/00/37/3/kauzl373.htm

In article <[email hidden]>,

Dave said:

"Dave" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"Orac" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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In article <[email hidden]>,
"Dave" <[email hidden]> wrote:

> "Rich Shewmaker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> > How about we start with the subject of microscopic examination of

human

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> > blood? Or perhaps you would prefer a body of knowledge that's off

topic

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> for
> > this newsgroup such as art history, or baseball, or American

literature,

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> or
> > geography. You can call me "ignorant" if you wish, but I'm smarter

than

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> you,
> > and better educated, and I have more "real experience" than you

besides.

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>
> I'm sure you are correct when you say you have lots of knowledge. You
> have probably studied many things very diligently. What you don't
> possess is understanding. Understanding is a spiritual thing. It
> can't be learned it is acquired by getting in touch with the
> universe. It allows us to understand things that we have never even
> studied.

You can't "understand" something without having knowledge of it upon
which to base your "understanding." For some things, obtaining this
knowledge involves study. In others (for instance, people skills) this
knowledge comes from life experience.

It is like I said, the understanding to which I refer is spiritual. It is
not learned or studied.
It just is.

B.S. The greatest spiritual people of the world spent their lifetimes
trying to "understand." Your claim of a "spiritual understanding" that
does not require any sort of study or life experience (that "just is,"
as you so quaintly put it) strikes me as really being more of an excuse
for intellectual laziness, an excuse not to have to defend your
assertions when challenged.

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>It is the secret that the people you refer to as "alties"
> possess to one degree or another. It is the reason you hate us so,
> because you can't understand what we understand. We live life on a
> higher (spiritual) plane.

Those who truly live on a "higher" (spiritual) plain (as you put it)
generally remember one of the greatest virtues: humility. Gandhi didn't
brag about "living on a higher plain," nor did Jesus, Martin Luther
King, etc., etc., etc. None of them claimed that anyone couldn't
understand what they understood.

And I never ever brag about it nor usually even mention it.

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> So, I live my life with love. I help people every single day because I

care

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> about them.

Not to mention a profitable business selling herbs.

Does someone give you your food? Your medicine? Why would you expect that I
would?

Obviously irony is lost on you, and you don't see my point. I don't
begrudge you a means to make a living, as long as it's honest. I'll make
my point explicit: Why do alties so frequently criticize doctors for
"making money off of sick people"?

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> So you can tell anyone you wish that you are better educated than me

and

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can

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> answer more technical questions than me. But I wish for you to find
> understanding so you no longer need that to be secure with yourself.

"Understanding" that goes against science and even common sense is no
"understanding" at all.

You make my case.

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>If you
> are sick, I wish you to find the path to health. If not, I hope you

will

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> study the benefits of supplements.

One hopes you will also realize the limitations of supplements. So far,
I have not gotten the impression that you do.

You continue to make my case. You don't seem to understand that you
will not continue (you aren't now but don't know it) to be healthy
unless you take good quality (there's tons of [censored] out there)
supplements every single day.

During evolution, humans didn't take supplements, nor did their hominid
ancestors. Supplements are not necessary to maintain health. A good diet
and healthy lifestyle are.

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As long as you maintain your ignorance
of such matters, you do yourself and everyone you council a
disservice.

As long as you keep making incorrect claims that people won't be healthy
unless they take supplements every single day, you do everyone YOU
counsel a disservice.

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In order to be a doctor you study for 10 years. You study about the
bodily functions from the perspective of medicines and how they
affect those systems.

We study anatomy, biochemistry, and physiology BEFORE learning about how
medicines work.

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The trouble is that "nature" (the all powerful
force) designed us to function by eating natural things in a natural
form.

Quite correct. Which means that supplements are not necessary for good
health--contrary to your original claim that they are.

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Generally speaking, once any substance is heated to the
temperature necessary to create a fabricated substance, the "natural"
properties are destroyed.

Not heating meat results in a risk of disease that is too high to be
acceptable. Otherwise, eating lots of fresh fruit and vegetables is
certainly a good idea for a healthy diet. If you eat a healthy diet,
supplements are not necessary.

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The result is a substance in a form that is
foreign to our bodies.

How is the preparation of supplements NOT making those supplements
equally a substance "foreign" to our bodies?

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Anyway, the posts I have seen here regarding immune systems and
supplements are so misguided as to denote ignorance of the subject
from the posters.

Nearly every post I have seen from you is so misguided as to demonstrate
your ignorance about a great many things.
--
Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
|
|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
| inconvenience me with questions?"