The Curezone

In article <[email hidden]>,

Dave said:

For those of you who want to see an alternative health newsgroup with useful
information, go to the curezone. It is not a chatroom, it is monitored and
the
hatemongers are banned.

In other words, they kick out anyone who has the temerity to question
altie therapies, no matter how politely, or to dare to bring science
into the conversation, no matter how politely--the better to protect the
alties from any opinions that might make them unhappy or that might make
them question what the line they are being fed.
--
Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
|
|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
| inconvenience me with questions?"

"Dave" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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For those of you who want to see an alternative health newsgroup with useful
information, go to the curezone. It is not a chatroom, it is monitored and
the
hatemongers are banned.

As expected, another Altie group which cannot handle challenges to
their gospel.

Imagine the bleating, braying, whining and whinneying that we would
hear if a RealMedicine group had such policies.

These "people" have such a double standard that George O. would be
impressed.

In article <[email hidden]>,

Dave said:

For those of you who want to see an alternative health newsgroup with useful
information, go to the curezone. It is not a chatroom, it is monitored and
the hatemongers are banned.

If they let spamming little scumbags like you participate, it can't be
all *that* great.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

"Dave" <[email hidden]> wrote

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For those of you who want to see an alternative health newsgroup with

useful

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information, go to the curezone. It is not a chatroom, it is monitored and
the hatemongers are banned.

I looked. I read messages there from people with serious conditions who are
being encouraged to ignore the advice of their MDs and self treat their
ailments. There isn't a hint of skepticism in any of the responses I read.
So I suppose that means that your definition of "hatemonger" is anyone who
doubts the word of anyone who preaches there.
erf

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Subject: Re: The Curezone
From: "Happy Dog" [email hidden]
Date: 8/26/2003 9:55 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

"Dave" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

For those of you who want to see an alternative health newsgroup with

useful

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information, go to the curezone. It is not a chatroom, it is monitored and
the hatemongers are banned.

I looked.

And it wasn't endorsed by *organized medicine*

moo

Jan said:

And it wasn't endorsed by *organized medicine*

You prefer mafia sales.

You will pay for that.

[email hidden] (Jan) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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Subject: Re: The Curezone
From: "Happy Dog" [email hidden]
Date: 8/26/2003 9:55 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

"Dave" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

For those of you who want to see an alternative health newsgroup with

useful

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

information, go to the curezone. It is not a chatroom, it is monitored and
the hatemongers are banned.

I looked.

And it wasn't endorsed by *organized medicine*

Restoring what Jan snipped. How intellectually dishonest of her. Shame on her.

Quoted message said:

I read messages there from people with serious conditions who are
being encouraged to ignore the advice of their MDs and self treat their
ailments. There isn't a hint of skepticism in any of the responses I read.
So I suppose that means that your definition of "hatemonger" is anyone who
doubts the word of anyone who preaches there.

IOW, this site promotes death.

Why am not surprised that Dave and Jan support death?

In article <[email hidden]>,

Happy Dog said:

"Dave" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

For those of you who want to see an alternative health newsgroup with

useful

Quoted message said:

information, go to the curezone. It is not a chatroom, it is monitored and
the hatemongers are banned.

I looked. I read messages there from people with serious conditions who are
being encouraged to ignore the advice of their MDs and self treat their
ailments. There isn't a hint of skepticism in any of the responses I read.
So I suppose that means that your definition of "hatemonger" is anyone who
doubts the word of anyone who preaches there.

That's exactly it. If you question any of the altie "remedies" being
pushed there, no matter how politely or respectfully you do it, you are
a threat and will be labeled a "hatemonger" and kicked off the board.
Imagine if a discussion group dedicated to conventional medical
treatments kicked out people who advocated alternative treatments. Can
you guess what the reaction of the alties around here would be?
--
Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
|
|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
| inconvenience me with questions?"

In article <[email hidden]>,

Dave said:

Alternative or natural healing is all about understanding.

No, it's all about trying to pound observations into a preconceived
philosophy that may or may not be correct, depending upon the clinical
situation.

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It is that way
because MD's never prescribe anything that isn't manufactured by a drug
company.

Your assertion is, plain and simple, [censored].

MD's prescribe lifestyle changes, diet changes, vitamins. Some even
prescribe herbs and various other remedies considered "alternative." I
myself occasionally prescribe primrose oil for mastalgia.

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So, those of us who do "understand" are forced to either self
prescribe, or, if we are smarter than you, we would know enough to consult a
wholistic
doctor, a homeopath, a naturopath, a Chinese medical practitioner, an
alternative medicine MD, an accupuncturist, a reflexologist, a herbologist,
and others who do "understand".

Define "understand."

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The really good news is that the mentally
astute are heading toward survival in a tough world and the pretend
scientists are heading, well, lets just say in other directions. To express
this thought in another way, "Mother Nature" is in charge, not man.
Scientists do not rule, they live by the permission of nature.

Scientists are the ultimate respecters of nature. They seek to
understand nature AS IT IS, not as they would wish it to be, discarding
hypotheses and theories about nature that are contradicted by the weight
of observations, evidence, and experimental results. "Naturopaths" fit
their observations into their own preconceived philosophy and almost
never reject that philosophy if observations, evidence, and
experimentation contradict it. That explains why therapies long shown to
be ineffective (such as chelation therapy for coronary artery disease)
still find many adherents in the "alternative" world. That's the
difference.

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While I am at it, I want to use a quote from a good doctor. Dr. Phil, who
says, "Those who have nothing to hide, hide nothing", Mr. Dog.

If that's the case, then why is it necessary to "protect" those seeking
"alternative therapies" from opinions that might dissuade them from
seeking such therapies? What DO you alties have to hide, hmmmm?
--
Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
|
|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
| inconvenience me with questions?"

"Rhino Ceros" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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Jan said:

And it wasn't endorsed by *organized medicine*

.

You will pay for that.

And the conv's will not get you $$$.

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[email hidden] (Jan) wrote in message

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Subject: Re: The Curezone
From: "Happy Dog" [email hidden]
Date: 8/26/2003 9:55 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

"Dave" <[email hidden]> wrote

> For those of you who want to see an alternative health newsgroup with

useful

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> information, go to the curezone. It is not a chatroom, it is

monitored and

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> the hatemongers are banned.

I looked.

And it wasn't endorsed by *organized medicine*

Restoring what Jan snipped. How intellectually dishonest of her. Shame on

her.

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Quoted message said:

I read messages there from people with serious conditions who are
being encouraged to ignore the advice of their MDs and self treat their
ailments. There isn't a hint of skepticism in any of the responses I

read.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

So I suppose that means that your definition of "hatemonger" is anyone

who

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doubts the word of anyone who preaches there.

IOW, this site promotes death.

Why am not surprised that Dave and Jan support death?

YOU support death, but only with torture.

Stop being such a putz.
"Orac" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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In article <[email hidden]>,

Happy Dog said:

"Dave" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

For those of you who want to see an alternative health newsgroup with

useful

Quoted message said:

information, go to the curezone. It is not a chatroom, it is monitored

and

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

the hatemongers are banned.

I looked. I read messages there from people with serious conditions who

are

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

being encouraged to ignore the advice of their MDs and self treat their
ailments. There isn't a hint of skepticism in any of the responses I

read.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

So I suppose that means that your definition of "hatemonger" is anyone

who

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

doubts the word of anyone who preaches there.

That's exactly it. If you question any of the altie "remedies" being
pushed there, no matter how politely or respectfully you do it, you are
a threat and will be labeled a "hatemonger" and kicked off the board.
Imagine if a discussion group dedicated to conventional medical
treatments kicked out people who advocated alternative treatments. Can
you guess what the reaction of the alties around here would be?
--
Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
|
|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
| inconvenience me with questions?"

In article <[email hidden]>,

David said:

"Happy Dog" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

"Dave" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

For those of you who want to see an alternative health newsgroup with

useful

Quoted message said:

information, go to the curezone. It is not a chatroom, it is monitored

and

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

the hatemongers are banned.

I looked. I read messages there from people with serious conditions who

are

Quoted message said:

being encouraged to ignore the advice of their MDs and self treat their
ailments. There isn't a hint of skepticism in any of the responses I

read.

Oh, poor dawg cannot attack people there, Awwww.

Who said anything about attacking anyone, other than you, of course? You
seem to be the one obsessed with attacking....
--
Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
|
|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
| inconvenience me with questions?"

"Orac" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Dave said:

Alternative or natural healing is all about understanding.

No, it's all about trying to pound observations into a preconceived
philosophy that may or may not be correct, depending upon the clinical
situation.

..
What? Just like conventional? Hehehehehehe.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

It is that way
because MD's never prescribe anything that isn't manufactured by a drug
company.

Your assertion is, plain and simple, [censored].

MD's prescribe lifestyle changes, diet changes, vitamins. Some even
prescribe herbs and various other remedies considered "alternative." I
myself occasionally prescribe primrose oil for mastalgia.

Quoted message said:

So, those of us who do "understand" are forced to either self
prescribe, or, if we are smarter than you, we would know enough to

consult a

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

wholistic
doctor, a homeopath, a naturopath, a Chinese medical practitioner, an
alternative medicine MD, an accupuncturist, a reflexologist, a

herbologist,

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

and others who do "understand".

Define "understand."

Quoted message said:

The really good news is that the mentally
astute are heading toward survival in a tough world and the pretend
scientists are heading, well, lets just say in other directions. To

express

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

this thought in another way, "Mother Nature" is in charge, not man.
Scientists do not rule, they live by the permission of nature.

Scientists are the ultimate respecters of nature. They seek to
understand nature AS IT IS, not as they would wish it to be, discarding
hypotheses and theories about nature that are contradicted by the weight
of observations, evidence, and experimental results. "Naturopaths" fit
their observations into their own preconceived philosophy and almost
never reject that philosophy if observations, evidence, and
experimentation contradict it. That explains why therapies long shown to
be ineffective (such as chelation therapy for coronary artery disease)
still find many adherents in the "alternative" world. That's the
difference.

Quoted message said:

While I am at it, I want to use a quote from a good doctor. Dr. Phil,

who

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says, "Those who have nothing to hide, hide nothing", Mr. Dog.

If that's the case, then why is it necessary to "protect" those seeking
"alternative therapies" from opinions that might dissuade them from
seeking such therapies?

Why do you wish to prevent others from useing Alt? We do not want your
protection.

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--
Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
|
|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
| inconvenience me with questions?"

"Orac" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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In article <[email hidden]>,

David said:

"Happy Dog" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

"Dave" <[email hidden]> wrote

> For those of you who want to see an alternative health newsgroup

with

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

useful
> information, go to the curezone. It is not a chatroom, it is

monitored

Quoted message said:

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and

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> the hatemongers are banned.

I looked. I read messages there from people with serious conditions

who

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Quoted message said:

are

Quoted message said:

being encouraged to ignore the advice of their MDs and self treat

their

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

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ailments. There isn't a hint of skepticism in any of the responses I

read.

Oh, poor dawg cannot attack people there, Awwww.

Who said anything about attacking anyone, other than you, of course? You
seem to be the one obsessed with attacking....
--
Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
|
|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
| inconvenience me with questions?"

Nya nya nya nya

"Orac" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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In article <[email hidden]>,

David said:

Stop being such a putz.

You're the one calling anyone who disagrees with your advocacy of
alternative medicine a "hatemonger." IMHO, that means your label of
"putz" applies to you better than it does to me.
--
Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
|
|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
| inconvenience me with questions?"

You do understand that I and many other people do not care about your
"opinion", right?

"Orac" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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In article <[email hidden]>,

David said:

"Orac" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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In article <[email hidden]>,
"Dave" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> While I am at it, I want to use a quote from a good doctor. Dr.

Phil,

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who

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> says, "Those who have nothing to hide, hide nothing", Mr. Dog.

If that's the case, then why is it necessary to "protect" those

seeking

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"alternative therapies" from opinions that might dissuade them from
seeking such therapies?

Why do you wish to prevent others from useing Alt?

Straw man. I never said such a thing. Why do you wish to protect those
considering "alt" from learning about what conventional medicine has to
say about their conditions? Don't you think they're capable of
evaluating both and deciding on their own? It certainly seems that's
what you think.

The problem is that conv rarely tells folks the whole story. Conv's rarely
tell the patient hardly anything, as the conv's think that people could not
understand such things, only the oh so smart "doctor" can. What BS

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We do not want your
protection.

Nice try at turning the question around on me, but so transparent.

It's impossible not to note that you didn't answer my question; so I'll
repeat it: Why is it necessary to "protect" those seeking "alternative
therapies" from opinions that might dissuade them from seeking such
therapies?

Oh, nothing more than a few thousand deaths per year. Or people taking drugs
for years when there are other, better solutions. For
starters................

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Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
|
|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
| inconvenience me with questions?"

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In article <[email hidden]>,

David said:

"Happy Dog" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

"Dave" <[email hidden]> wrote

> For those of you who want to see an alternative health newsgroup with
useful
> information, go to the curezone. It is not a chatroom, it is monitored

and

Quoted message said:

> the hatemongers are banned.

I looked. I read messages there from people with serious conditions who

are

Quoted message said:

being encouraged to ignore the advice of their MDs and self treat their
ailments. There isn't a hint of skepticism in any of the responses I

read.

Oh, poor dawg cannot attack people there, Awwww.

Who said anything about attacking anyone, other than you, of course? You
seem to be the one obsessed with attacking....

Tools has an unrelenting case of bladder-hostility.

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--
Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."

In article <[email hidden]>,

David said:

"Orac" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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In article <[email hidden]>,

David said:

"Orac" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> In article <[email hidden]>,
> "Dave" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> > While I am at it, I want to use a quote from a good doctor. Dr.

Phil,

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who
> > says, "Those who have nothing to hide, hide nothing", Mr. Dog.
>
> If that's the case, then why is it necessary to "protect" those

seeking

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> "alternative therapies" from opinions that might dissuade them from
> seeking such therapies?

Why do you wish to prevent others from useing Alt?

Straw man. I never said such a thing. Why do you wish to protect those
considering "alt" from learning about what conventional medicine has to
say about their conditions? Don't you think they're capable of
evaluating both and deciding on their own? It certainly seems that's
what you think.

The problem is that conv rarely tells folks the whole story. Conv's rarely
tell the patient hardly anything, as the conv's think that people could not
understand such things, only the oh so smart "doctor" can. What BS

They tell the patients way more than the average "alternative medicine"
practitioner does--and more accurate information, to boot.

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We do not want your
protection.

Nice try at turning the question around on me, but so transparent.

It's impossible not to note that you didn't answer my question; so I'll
repeat it: Why is it necessary to "protect" those seeking "alternative
therapies" from opinions that might dissuade them from seeking such
therapies?

Oh, nothing more than a few thousand deaths per year.

As opposed to the unknown number who die because they delay effective
conventional treatments in favor of altie hokum?

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Or people taking drugs
for years when there are other, better solutions. For
starters................

And what are those "other, better" solutions?
--
Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
|
|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
| inconvenience me with questions?"